Three weeks for Manny...and extra trouble too....
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The independent Match Review Panel - consisting of Barry Such (Chair), Simon Micallef and Alan Davidson - convened to consider the following incident from Round 16:
- Red Card issued to Emmanuel Muscat (Wellington Phoenix FC): The MRP have proposed a three (3) match suspension for his R2 Red Card for "Assault on a Player (e.g. violent conduct when not challenging for the ball)" in the the 57th minute. This is an additional one (1) match to the minimum sanction for this offence under the Hyundai A-League Disciplinary Regulations. The player has until 12.00pm AEDT Tuesday, 1 December 2009, to accept the proposed sanction or refer the matter to a hearing by the FFA Disciplinary Committee.
Football Federation Australia further advises that Wellington Phoenix have been charged with the following Team Misconduct offence:
- Team Misconduct under the Disciplinary Regulations - Club's participants collectively showing dissent towards a match official. Wellington Phoenix have unitl COB Wednesday, 2 December 2009, to respond.
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How much is the fine for the team offense?
BBM bring back muilligan
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Not happy 
and it's 
. Not what we need
and it's . Not what we need
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Hope that team misconduct charge isn't too expensive for us.
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I think the 3 matches is fair considering he raised his elbow and contacted. IMO
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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he devevses it what he did was dumb
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Need cosimo to start a reverse jinx thread.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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Muscat suspension totally warranted, no sympathy from me what he did was stupid.
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have your say on the front page poll
Founder
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deserves it and its a fair punishment.
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Lack of depth exposed, we have no solid wing back cover. Could be a real problm.
Stupid thing to do, just cause he was getting skinned.
Stupid thing to do, just cause he was getting skinned.
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That collective dissent charge is absolute garbage. Surely it must get applied in at least 50% of matches?
I thought Manny deserved two matches, I can only assume the third match was because he's retarded to hit the player so blatantly.
I thought Manny deserved two matches, I can only assume the third match was because he's retarded to hit the player so blatantly.
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I can agree with the 2-3 match ban but a collective team charge. If the referee doesn't like the dissent then deal with it on the pitch, he has the cards in his pocket and he showed that. Don't let it go then cry about it after the fact.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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deserves it and its a fair punishment.
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I can agree with the 2-3 match ban but a collective team charge. If the referee doesn't like the dissent then deal with it on the pitch, he has the cards in his pocket and he showed that. Don't let it go then cry about it after the fact.
Precisely. What a pithy charge. I've never heard of it in the a-league. That's not to say that it hasn't been imposed before obviously but it's clearly a joke and not applied consistently. I mean, from memory the main one in the refs face (and he wasn't getting too much in the refs face either) was Durante, the captain. He has every right to point out politely to the ref that he's a retard.
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Off topic, but how many games suspended did Fred get again? And what did he do precisely?
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One interesting thought. 3 games out of 27 is 1/9th of the season,as opposed to say an english league 3 games in 38-46 is either 1/13th or 1/15th. Then last season there were even fewer regular A league season games.
Quite a difference,do we think the shorter the season the shorter the suspension or should it just be standard?
Allegedly
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Don't think season length really matters.
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The problem is, some refs would give yellow and some would give red and others would just give a free kick. Inconsistency is a common attribute among a-league refs.
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Well its a proportionately harsher penalty the shorter the season is. Im not saying I dont think he didnt deserve his suspension at all,was just one of my random side thoughts.
Allegedly
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5kux,i think it was quite clearly a red. Not many (if any) referees wouldve decided otherwise if they had seen it.
Allegedly
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Personally, though, I see nothing wrong with surrounding a referee at all. They want to know what's happening, they're slightly pissed off, and they want to know why there's a red card. It's how the players conduct themselves after that that matters and if they were out of line book them if you deem it necessary. First game ref is no excuse, if they deserve it book them, if not then don't but leave it there.
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yeah, well a-league refs are still inconsistent.
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Personally, though, I see nothing wrong with surrounding a referee at all. They want to know what's happening, they're slightly pissed off, and they want to know why there's a red card. It's how the players conduct themselves after that that matters and if they were out of line book them if you deem it necessary. First game ref is no excuse, if they deserve it book them, if not then don't but leave it there.
Haha i was about to say a gunner would say that 
But yeah you're right,the ref should be the one dealing with that sort of thing on the pitch. Book the player if you think hes being over the top,the fact no one was booked suggests that wasnt the case you would think,therefore the charge is rubbish.
Allegedly
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Refer readers to Colin Todd's assessment of the A League. Special comments about the refereeing standards. How come we seem to get the refs making their debuts? (Allegedly)
manny got the correct punishment but a team punishment ? How on earth would manure or Chelski get on in the A League? Team punishments every game!!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Personally, though, I see nothing wrong with surrounding a referee at all. They want to know what's happening, they're slightly pissed off, and they want to know why there's a red card. It's how the players conduct themselves after that that matters and if they were out of line book them if you deem it necessary. First game ref is no excuse, if they deserve it book them, if not then don't but leave it there.
Haha i was about to say a gunner would say that
But yeah you're right,the ref should be the one dealing with that sort of thing on the pitch. Book the player if you think hes being over the top,the fact no one was booked suggests that wasnt the case you would think,therefore the charge is rubbish.
Ballack plays for Chelsea, not Arsenal.
People are using the excuse 'it's the refs first game, he probably didn't want to have to hand out 4 or 5 yellow cards to already enraged players' etc. Fact of the matter is if he doesn't have the balls to do so he doesn't have the balls to be a ref. I personally suspect this guy does have the balls to be a ref and if the players were acting badly he wouldn't hesitate to book them.
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Ref's first game is completely invalid as an arguement. To referee at A-League level, you must attain a FIFA Referee ranking, it's not like you pass a multi-choice 20 question test on the laws of the game, get given a whistle and off you go.
The problem I see with A-League officials is the application of common sense. Can't exactly teach that.
The problem I see with A-League officials is the application of common sense. Can't exactly teach that.
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Sadly he will get what he desreves for an inexcusable moment of madness that does occur. I just hope this is not a season defining moment given our shortage of what some might argue is adequate defensive cover..or flow on effects to midfield if Hearfield is dispatched backwards. I bet there was blood on the dressing room floor after that incident...and a long quiet flight home. Worse cos he was clearly got the better of by a talented kid...
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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Ref's first game is completely invalid as an arguement. To referee at A-League level, you must attain a FIFA Referee ranking, it's not like you pass a multi-choice 20 question test on the laws of the game, get given a whistle and off you go.
The problem I see with A-League officials is the application of common sense. Can't exactly teach that.
The problem I see with A-League officials is the application of common sense. Can't exactly teach that.
That's not actually true. A lot of the Aussie refs aren't FIFA referees. They would be be high up the pecking order and probably considered as next cabs off the rank to attain FIFA status though
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I think the collective fine was a sort of payback for the FFA not giving us a Melee charge against The Fury a few weeks back.
I agree with a previous comment on this thread. The Referee has yellow cards in his sky rocket. If he doesn't think he has control over a particular event on the park then he is well within his rights to use them. Crying after the game to the Match Review Panel is a massive cop out IMO!!!
If you cant make decisions while youre on the pitch then dont be a f**king referee!!!
(Cue angst from all the Referees on this forum!)
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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No angst from me, C-D. If he can't make the calls, he shouldn't be there.
Having said that, did the referee 'cry after the game'? Or did the match review panel simply do what their job title suggests and review the game and make the decision on the charge without any input from the referee.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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If the FFA would let us read the match report we may be able to answer that Jag...
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Use your influence, C-D. Sort it.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Personally, though, I see nothing wrong with surrounding a referee at all. They want to know what's happening, they're slightly pissed off, and they want to know why there's a red card. It's how the players conduct themselves after that that matters and if they were out of line book them if you deem it necessary. First game ref is no excuse, if they deserve it book them, if not then don't but leave it there.
It would have been after the game. Players were giving him some verbal after the end
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Personally, though, I see nothing wrong with surrounding a referee at all. They want to know what's happening, they're slightly pissed off, and they want to know why there's a red card. It's how the players conduct themselves after that that matters and if they were out of line book them if you deem it necessary. First game ref is no excuse, if they deserve it book them, if not then don't but leave it there.
Thats a captains job tbh. And anyway whats the point? He's not going to change his mind, so find out why and get over it. God knows why manny was arguing
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Durante was asking the question but he actually doesn't have that 'right' I think its viewed as a good communication exercise by referees. Interesting that he had to back away from Durante, maybe he felt intimidated? Just throwing it out there.
On the whole I think I agree with all the cards given although I would have stuck one on Lia and one on Porky Miller. Bertos' was probably a bit harsh. Outside of that, did he really do much else wrong? The red was warranted the other yellows straight forward...
Would lke to see the match report and whom stuck the team charge on the nix
Jeff Vader2009-12-01 12:39:00Grumpy old bastard alert
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