Wellington Phoenix Men

Throwing Stuff is an UTTER NO NO

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UberGunner wrote:
We had some real bad punters in the BB after the game, I'm afraid to say they have officially ruined it for everyone, as the tolerance levels of our staff, were stressed to breaking point. we are going to have to police the intoxication levels really strictly now. I wasn't at work after the game, but the pointless destruction of our property doesn't reflect well on yellow fever. all our staff know the regulars for the games so we know those responsible weren't among them, but we still had a lot more problems with this crowd than we have ever before.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same group of teens that were in the outside part of the BB before the match. The were well tanked before they arrived and were chanting "Who are ya?" at themselves and then "let's get f**kn mental" - muppets.
 
They were in YF shirts as well and just obnoxious boozed up knobs. They're just a bunch of try-hard hooligans and are a disgrace to the club.
 
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Im seroiusly thinking about getting the security camera footage and posting it here in a shame thread. Ive got a meeting with the DM from sun night later in the week so hopefully he can ID the culprits.
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UberGunner wrote:
Im seroiusly thinking about getting the security camera footage and posting it here in a shame thread. Ive got a meeting with the DM from sun night later in the week so hopefully he can ID the culprits.


You should do just that.

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Auckland Jag wrote:
Think that's the risk we're running. We are, quite rightly, saying the the YF zone is the place to be for atmosphere etc. Sadly, the downside of that is that this makes it more attractive for part-time, not really interested in football, f**wit pissheads to buy tickets in. I reckon, as others have said, self-policing the zone is the best way to deal with it, before someone else (like the cops or the FFA) decides to.
 
You are spot on here Jag. Yellow Fever has grown to become rather large and to be honest , its the talk o the town. Anyone and everyone is wanting to get into the YF zone. There are far to many people in there for a start, Its just becoming crammed.
I actually feel that the zone DOES need to be policed. There are security guards and cops at every other sporting event at the stadium, why shouldnt it be policed at the Phoenix matches?
After reading Ubegunners post about the damage at the bencher and seeing the drunken idiots at the match I think there needs to be a security presence.
After the first match at the Fever Lounge i realised that it could easily get out of control.
There are too many people out there and on here who think that matchday, weather its home or away is just like a teenage party and have now given us really bad press and have caused damage at the Bencher FFS!!! Its not on.
i would hate for us to have to ploce it ourselves as firstly, Im there to watch the match and sing some songs, secondly there would be all sorts of scraps etc if we took the law into our own hands.
Tony P , if you are reading this please beef up the security as its obviously got to the stage where it needs it.
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UberGunner wrote:
The pointless destruction of our property doesn't reflect well on yellow fever.
 
How bad was the damage?   Are we talking a few broken glasses or toilets being hurled out of the windows?
 
I'm not condoning ANY level of vandalism, by the way, just curious to know how bad it was. 
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Its not all teenagers, the group near us were well into there 20's early 30's.

They crammed into the seats next to us doubling up again, to be fair to them they kept out of our seats after my partner spoke to them. But they were a disgrace.

The security guard in at the entrance of aisle 22 watched them throughout the 2nd half but did bugger all, even after one mate of theirs fell (dived?) from the row behind into them and they gave him a beer bath and a friendly stomping.

At the end of day its down to stadium security to sort out. I'm in full agreement with bigdunc.




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It doesn't really matter how much the damage was people should respect what the BB and Fever lounge has done for us. I am fully for name and shaming those who damaged the backbencher. It is the only way they will learn.
 
As for the zone. I don't think it can get to big, the more the merrier I say. As for being the talk of the town your right people want to get in there and get amongst it which is no bad thing. As long as there is no violence or racism of any form I'm fine with it being as rowdy.  I think self policing would be the worst thing to do. One if you see someone trying to forcibly remove one of your mates problems are going to happen. Or if someone is being a dick and you try and kick them out thats just asking for trouble.
 
A code of conduct would be the best thing. No formal rules just guidelines. If someone is bothering you that much and won't stop doing something, go get security to move them on.
If we invite the security guards to police us more we may being asking for more trouble than its worth.
Alistair2007-10-23 09:47:39
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First time caller folks - be gentle
 
For starters, WELL DONE WELLY for getting damn fine crowds attending football in NZ - finally ... as a sometime spectator at Kingz/Knights games and full-time fixture at Waikato FC games (until I buggered off to the UK of course ...), i'm well impressed and amazed at the size of the crowds for the Phoenix ...
 
Secondly, find these dorks, boot them up the arse, notify stewards immediately and make it abundantly clear that they are now 'marked' so won't be welcome in the YF zone ever again, you need to get rid of them sharpish before it becomes ingrained in the culture of YF and the Phoenix ... Joe Public will love you as long as you're enjoyable 'larrikens' - as soon as they think you've crossed the line (like throwing stuff) they'll turn on you ...
 
I work at the most famous cricket ground in the universe as a 'steward' and am not sure how used to 'stewards' we are in NZ - we're (they're) not there as bouncers or hired muscle - more health and safety and sort of customer relations - try to sort out issues without resorting to throwing people out, at my ground if that is needed we call in 'The Green Team'  -who are basically gorillas who like hitting people, we don't like to get them in, but sometimes we have to ... if the 'stewards' in the ground are doing their job you should be able to approach them with a problem (like 'that gimboid is biffing stuff') and let them look after it without it getting too heated ... in theory at least ... best of luck
waikato_fc2007-10-23 10:08:52
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe it should be ticket only and enforced as ticket only by security then it will be easier to target offenders if they are noticed.  Match before last I saw in another area 2 security people try and tell someone to get his feet off the seat in front..he ignored them and they did nothing.  Football attracts louts and it must be policed better!

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Surely now we will see security doing more that telling people to move out of the aisles, if the idiots that threw the bottles have ne freinds, dob them in, we do not to get this sort of reputation.
 
It makes us look bad not only in Aus, but to the rest of  NZ too, cricket got this out of their game, we need to "nip it in the bud".
 
 
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Glad people agree with me.
Theer was a group of young lads near me and one was clearly too pissed and being a pain in the arse. There was a steward  about 3 meters away from me who stood and did nothing all day. If that fella was in the Lounge he would have been kicked out quick smart. The security at the stadium need sto be  bit more evident. They dont need to go turfing evey other bugger out ofthe ground but I dont see why they cant be like a pub bouncer. Just go over and have a word if they are being painful, stop them drinking anymore etc. These things are easy enough to do do and will sort out the Larrys that are causing grief.
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I can see a ban on beer being allowed in the seats like the cricket as well, I was at that game and it was pretty similar behaviour to Sunday's.

That's what happens in English football matches for good reason.


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Alistair wrote:
It doesn't really matter how much the damage was people should respect what the BB and Fever lounge has done for us. I am fully for name and shaming those who damaged the backbencher. It is the only way they will learn.
 
As for the zone. I don't think it can get to big, the more the merrier I say. As for being the talk of the town your right people want to get in there and get amongst it which is no bad thing. As long as there is no violence or racism of any form I'm fine with it being as rowdy.  I think self policing would be the worst thing to do. One if you see someone trying to forcibly remove one of your mates problems are going to happen. Or if someone is being a dick and you try and kick them out thats just asking for trouble.
 
A code of conduct would be the best thing. No formal rules just guidelines. If someone is bothering you that much and won't stop doing something, go get security to move them on.
If we invite the security guards to police us more we may being asking for more trouble than its worth.
 
I agree with you about the Zone. I'd love to see the Zone going all the way round the stadium. My point was that the bigger the Zone gets, the minority of idiots who will go there will increase. The bigger we are, the more dickheads we will attract.
 
As for self-policing, I wasn't advocating wading in there and chucking people out. My idea of self-policing means if you see somebody doing something, e.g. chucking bottles, go straight to the Security goons, tell them what's going on and make them earn their dosh by doing something about it. Not knocking your suggestion, but the problem with a set of guideliines is that they will be great for the majority of people who go to the Zone, but the type of f**wit who will chuck bottles at players isn't really likely to be taking any notice of a set of informal behaviour guidelines. These knuckle-draggers probably couldn't read them anyway.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Auckland Jag wrote:
I agree with you about the Zone. I'd love to see the Zone going all the way round the stadium.


Is the Fever zone 'spreading', or are there just more people cramming into the zone?

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Unfortunately, I think people are just trying to cram into the zone.

Hence my earlier comment about us becoming a sideshow.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I didn't think it was that much fuller to be honest. There was still heaps of room down the front with alot of empty space. However looking towards the middle and the top it looked pretty full. Next game when it rains is going to be bad though...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wait until the international press get hold of the story "It Will Be Millwall Fault Again"
 
We have had The Den closed, at Millwall, because of brain dead muppets, throwing things on the pitch.
 
So come on guys let get the "arse wipe" before he ruins what we have.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lets put things in perspective...
 
Sure the guy probably should not have sprayed his beer around...but does that honestly warrant a smack in the chops?
 
Vigilante actions like that are going to cause fights...there are paid stewards around to deal with annoying people
 
So how about next time using some of the good judgement im sure the person has and going off to find them or even a police officer...
 
The person who made the punch is just as bad as the person who sprayed the beer...maybe even worse...
 
 
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Interesting to read what Uber said happened after the game at BB.

I thought there was a different atmosphere in the YF zone, where we stand there was a whole group of guys (and girls), who were just interested in drinking, texting, p*issing around with each other and shouting a bit of abuse when the YF chants started up etc. None of them were actually watching the game or interested in it.

I get the feeling YF zone is starting to turn into a sideshow and we were the stop off point on a 3 day drinking binge for some people.


 
Yeah there was a bunch right next to me aswell, they seemed like they werent even old enough to drink yet ewre plastered to the max, they did not seem like regular YF because they didnt know any chants and i feel they were just there under the impression that all YF is about is getting off your face and being a dick.
 
As to the bottling what an ahole, do you realize how many people you may be damaging with such sh*t  behaviour, not only could you possibly ruin it for the YF but i believe it could hurt the Phoenix on a whole other level. we are a key element to the nix's success so far, our continued support for the boys is telling and were we not there or were we to be treated differently it could hurt a young but promising club. Sort your sh*t out.
 
Beer down your back, is unfortunately sometimes unavoidable at any stadium event,  some people get way too carried away, but physical violence is never the answer.
 
Unfortunately i missed all the action by the sounds of it cos as soon as the full time whistle blew i went home to have a cry.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The beer spraying was fine if it was an accident...nothing wrong with getting excited about a goal being scored. If it is being done on purpose though...thats a bit stupid.

Allegedly

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ballane wrote:


It is rather disconcerting that the first few people who asked me if i went yesterday,followed up that question with was i sitting where the bottles were thrown from.




I've just had the same thing happen to me - just walked into our customers office - they all know I got to the Phoenix games - had 3 of them straight away if I was with the bottle throwers - the glee at having a dig at 'soccer' was evident from the rugby heads.

I've watched bugger all TV in th elast couple of days - has the bottle throwing incident made the TV news?
ginger_eejit2007-10-23 12:57:05

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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not that I know of. But it has made stuff top ten most viewed stories
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I hope not. Id rather our shame wastn a national issue.
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ballane wrote:


It is rather disconcerting that the first few people who asked me if i went yesterday,followed up that question with was i sitting where the bottles were thrown from.




I've just had the same thing happen to me - just walked into our customers office - they all know I got to the Phoenix games - had 3 of them straight away if I was with the bottle throwers - the glle at having a dig at 'soccer' was evident fro mthe rugby heads.

I've watched bugger all TV in th elast couple of days - has the bottle throwing incident made the TV news?
I have actually just come home early as im sick to the teeth of having to defend my support of YF and the Phoenix.With so much security looking our way why didnt the clowns see who threw the bottles.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Hey, remind the egg chasers that they aren't in a position to criticise. I was at the Stadium at the Bledisloe Cup game where Jonathan Kaplan got pelted with bottles when he was coming off.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I've watched bugger all TV in th elast couple of days - has the bottle throwing incident made the TV news?


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Having seen the games on TV and the footage they show of the Fever Zone, I can bet you I know who the culprits are, and what club they play for.......

Big ups to the majority of lads n' ladies in YF, keep up the good work. To those who f**ked up on Sunday.....you are reading this, probably thinking we're all over-reacting.....but you're a f**cking disgrace.

Name em' Shame em' Ban em'

Carney.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TV3 news tonight...
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Shame, TV has picked up on it, but I guess was inevitable.

I think the club will come down hard for the next match, I think beer may be banned from the seats as a first measure.






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Shame, TV has picked up on it, but I guess was inevitable.


It was after some of the rubbish the media would have read on here yesterday.


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Baiter wrote:
Shame, TV has picked up on it, but I guess was inevitable.


It was after some of the rubbish the media would have read on here yesterday.
Which rubbish would that be then,as most of the posts i saw were condemning the bottle throwing.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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"I was right there screaming at all the Mariners Players as they left the pitch. I was looking at each of them in the eyes and tried my best to scream "you're a fat arse" to Sasho Petrovsky, but I think he didn't hear me."
 
This is the type of stupid behaviour I talked about in other threads. It's only a small step from screaming insults to throwing bottles.
 
it is if you're drunk or a dickhead. I'm neither. So I can scream as much as I want and you're nobody to patronize me. I'm no church guy but I definitely know where to draw the line. So next time, when referring to 'stupid behaviour' you should read what you write.
 
 

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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i am pleased that YF has issued an apology, its a shocker to hear about the bottle throwing, I walked out of the stadium before the match finished and did not witness the event but i have been reading about it on here and i think its a total disgrace and i think if we find this person (or persons) we should kick them out of the YF zone and they should be banned for life from phoenix matches and their season ticket taken away from them, thats the kind of punishment that happens in the SPL or EPL.
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I agree phoenix07.

I looked around when it was happening and there were quite a few people doing throwing them from different parts of the YF zone.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just another example of the yobbish boorish behaviour that has become all to common. Just wander downtown on a saturday night (Auckland) and you can see it all.Throwing beer/bottles yelling abuse at players would you do it to their face? A lot of stupid.
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Those beer bottles are pretty nifty though!  Much easier carrying six of those than six plastic cups of beer, easier to hold onto as well when you're jumping like a mad c**t!
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Saying Millwall supporters are known as a drunken morons in England is a bit inaccurate Danny. Its a much wider social subject than that statement.

Anyway I think the best course is for the stewards to do their job properly and people to report offenders to them, as many people have said here already. slacKers 632007-10-23 16:28:50
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Good apology made on behalf of the YF. Now if only those whom seem to think to enjoy your football game you have to be drunk &/or throwing Beer bottles &/ spraying your beer over other fans would wake up and smell the roses. We're not asking you to be angels, we are asking you to think of your fellow fans and consider their enjoyment of the game too. Your behaviour might be fun to you but not those who suffer the results.
 
Make noise, sing out loud, make the Phoenix very proud, just can the loutish behaviour, kids are present too, what sort of example is that to set them?
Lonegunmen2007-10-23 20:26:31
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Saying Millwall supporters are known as a drunken morons in England is a bit inaccurate Danny. Its a much wider social subject than that statement.

I am assuming that's a different Danny you're on about as I never mentioned anything about Milwall.

We should remember a couple of simple things.

This is football and this is our team. Attending the match means we're entitled to shout, swear and even vent our fury and angst at our own and visting sides. That's what going to the football is all about, and has been for decades. If not, you might as well be at some soulless ground somewhere.

It is important that we 'own' our ground, and by that I mean turn it into some kind of fortress where opposition teams are wary of coming to for fear of the atmosphere we can create. Football grounds have been full of shouting, swearing and threatening shouts for years. If you're trying to change that, then stick to the lack-lustre passionateless support of the rugbys.

However, let's be clear that a strong and committed support doesn't mean we encourage any kind of violence or assault of any kind. Shouting at a player is one thing, no matter how vitriolic it might be, that's football - chucking stuff at players is the realm of the bandwagon jumping piss-head who thinks hiding in a crowd is a good way to get away with dick-head behaviour.
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danny wrote:
[QUOTE=slacKers 63]
Saying Millwall supporters are known as a drunken morons in England is a bit inaccurate Danny. Its a much wider social subject than that statement.

I am assuming that's a different Danny you're on about as I never mentioned anything about Milwall.



Yep sorry, I was referring to a post by Danny_Biggie, it seems to have been removed now.
slacKers 632007-10-23 18:29:11
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