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Transfer Talk - 2018/19 Season

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over 7 years ago

bunter wrote:

23 player squad, with three GKs, and 20 outfielders - two for each position.

Maybe this:

Formation

'Twin CAM' with no striker; Nichols expected to get forward. Wingers encouraged to move infield and link with the CAMS; Fullbacks to overlap. I believe those four will score goals.

Positions

Smith - the ruthless option (as used with Parkhouse) would be to have him play Handa Prem this year and bring in another keeper (and another under 20 player for the squad - three are needed). IMO whoever threw him in to the squad last year did no-one any favours.

Cacace vs Doyle - Cacace a better attacking option. Doyle overlaps well, but Cacace is better at creating and sustaining attacking moves.

Fox vs Durante vs Taylor - who starts is TBC.

DR - while Fox, Lowry and Fenton have all played there, there's a hole there - need a quality RB and cover.

DM - Quality DM needed, worth using an import slot on. Also cover for Kopczynski

Cover for Singh - another skilful creative playmaker... who?

Cover for Nichols - maybe a big strong traditional striker (with a good touch and awareness of the off-side rule), and good in the air, to give another attacking option.

Cover for Krishna - who?

Williams vs Burns - Williams starts on end-of-season form, IMO.

Fenton - being used as attacking mid in trial games; has played FB. I don't see him as a CAM though. Could cover FB, wing and DM (all R). A good sub?

Already there is genuine competitions for some positions - Burns on Williams, Krishna and Nicols, and between the centre backs. Rudan will be aiming to have pressure on all positions by the time the squad is finalised.

Would be interesting also to try Cacace at L DM, and Doyle at LB... like this:

I like this. Cacace, Singh, Nicols, Krishna and Williams are all creative skilful players. Maybe Kopetc too, TBC.

I still don't understand when talking about creativity and skill on the ball, you rate Cacace ahead of Burns. Madness
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 7 years ago

Fenton will be your backup right winger not defensive midfield. 

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over 7 years ago

 I still don't understand when talking about creativity and skill on the ball, you rate Cacace ahead of Burns. Madness

Have a look at the highlights of the Nix's last few games. Burns missed  lots of chances and lost the ball trying to beat his fullback. Yes he's a very talented player, but looked to be in a slump.

Cacace on the other hand scythed through the defence from fullback a number of times (and did it again in HK and India).

Anyway, it's really a case of starting Williams ahead of Burns. Don't see Burns at DM.

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over 7 years ago

RR wrote:

Not surprised we took this option, I only hope he hasn't taken a hit financially by doing this

Can confirm the Phoenix are on the hunt for a third under-20 player as Keegan Smith remains on a youth scholarship and his contract doesn’t count towards the 23. Only trial player (so far anyway) in that age bracket is Callan Elliot.

— Phillip Rollo (@ByPhillipRollo) July 24, 2018

Looks like the ruthless option *was* taken - no surprises.

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over 7 years ago

Bunter you should stop with those graphics. You've had Cacace as an attacking midfielder and Fenton as a DM. It just makes everything you say hard to take seriously after that.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 7 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Bunter you should stop with those graphics. You've had Cacace as an attacking midfielder and Fenton as a DM. It just makes everything you say hard to take seriously after that.

Wasn't Fenton playing deep in midfield in the pre-season game or did I imagine that?

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Bunter you should stop with those graphics. You've had Cacace as an attacking midfielder and Fenton as a DM. It just makes everything you say hard to take seriously after that.

Let's see how the season goes. 

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over 7 years ago

valeo wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Bunter you should stop with those graphics. You've had Cacace as an attacking midfielder and Fenton as a DM. It just makes everything you say hard to take seriously after that.

Wasn't Fenton playing deep in midfield in the pre-season game or did I imagine that?

This mentions he played attacking midfield https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/105665798/things-are-looking-up-for-fitagain-phoenix-player-louis-fenton
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over 7 years ago

bunter wrote:

 I still don't understand when talking about creativity and skill on the ball, you rate Cacace ahead of Burns. Madness

Have a look at the highlights of the Nix's last few games. Burns missed  lots of chances and lost the ball trying to beat his fullback. Yes he's a very talented player, but looked to be in a slump.

Cacace on the other hand scythed through the defence from fullback a number of times (and did it again in HK and India).

Anyway, it's really a case of starting Williams ahead of Burns. Don't see Burns at DM.

By the time the season starts, the Nix's last few games will have been literally half a year ago - don't think you can really assume form will carry over such a long off season.

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over 7 years ago

bunter wrote:

 I still don't understand when talking about creativity and skill on the ball, you rate Cacace ahead of Burns. Madness

Have a look at the highlights of the Nix's last few games. Burns missed  lots of chances and lost the ball trying to beat his fullback. Yes he's a very talented player, but looked to be in a slump.

Cacace on the other hand scythed through the defence from fullback a number of times (and did it again in HK and India).

Anyway, it's really a case of starting Williams ahead of Burns. Don't see Burns at DM.

Burns and Krishna are starters. No one else in theam can do what they can do. If the midfields feeds them goals will come.

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over 7 years ago

bunter wrote:

23 player squad, with three GKs, and 20 outfielders - two for each position.

Maybe this:

Formation

'Twin CAM' with no striker; Nichols expected to get forward. Wingers encouraged to move infield and link with the CAMS; Fullbacks to overlap. I believe those four will score goals.

Positions

Smith - the ruthless option (as used with Parkhouse) would be to have him play Handa Prem this year and bring in another keeper (and another under 20 player for the squad - three are needed). IMO whoever threw him in to the squad last year did no-one any favours.

Cacace vs Doyle - Cacace a better attacking option. Doyle overlaps well, but Cacace is better at creating and sustaining attacking moves.

Fox vs Durante vs Taylor - who starts is TBC.

DR - while Fox, Lowry and Fenton have all played there, there's a hole there - need a quality RB and cover.

DM - Quality DM needed, worth using an import slot on. Also cover for Kopczynski

Cover for Singh - another skilful creative playmaker... who?

Cover for Nichols - maybe a big strong traditional striker (with a good touch and awareness of the off-side rule), and good in the air, to give another attacking option.

Cover for Krishna - who?

Williams vs Burns - Williams starts on end-of-season form, IMO.

Fenton - being used as attacking mid in trial games; has played FB. I don't see him as a CAM though. Could cover FB, wing and DM (all R). A good sub?

Already there is genuine competitions for some positions - Burns on Williams, Krishna and Nicols, and between the centre backs. Rudan will be aiming to have pressure on all positions by the time the squad is finalised.

Would be interesting also to try Cacace at L DM, and Doyle at LB... like this:

I like this. Cacace, Singh, Nicols, Krishna and Williams are all creative skilful players. Maybe Kopetc too, TBC.

The premise of this shape/tactic is very similar to what Ernie had us playing. The issues that always persisted was the small forward line with a 'keeper that mostly knocked it long, hopefully Kurto can help us maintain possession better, and later on with Finkler was a more inflexible midfield and not able to press well, hopefully that improves with the signings. 

We still may have problems with teams sitting deep and puts more pressure on players being able to beat their man, Singh and Nichols have history of goal scoring from outside the box which might help draw a defender out to close that space.

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over 7 years ago

number8 wrote:

bunter wrote:

 I still don't understand when talking about creativity and skill on the ball, you rate Cacace ahead of Burns. Madness

Have a look at the highlights of the Nix's last few games. Burns missed  lots of chances and lost the ball trying to beat his fullback. Yes he's a very talented player, but looked to be in a slump.

Cacace on the other hand scythed through the defence from fullback a number of times (and did it again in HK and India).

Anyway, it's really a case of starting Williams ahead of Burns. Don't see Burns at DM.

Burns and Krishna are starters. No one else in theam can do what they can do. If the midfields feeds them goals will come.

Burns starting is a no brainer as far as I am concerned.  I am convinced that his lack of form last season reflected the coaching environment and enviroment of Kalezic.  Although goals still did not come, his form noticeably improved IMHO once Greenie took over.

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over 7 years ago

I thought Burns just reverted back to what he used to be - not a great goalscorer, but a good dribbler that sometimes leads himself down a few too many blind alleys.

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

Man this team has been shuffled up a whole lot.  I am excited for next season, if for nothing else the unpredictability.  We could go out and keep being shark, or we might go out and smash some teams.

Who knows?  I don't and I am so excited right now!!!!!

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

https://twitter.com/ByPhillipRollo/status/10219765...

"Phoenix fans will be pleased to hear Jacob Tratt is likely to join the team on the Gold Coast. As is Andre de Jong."

Also mentions Alex Rufer coming along as well.

Would be very happy with those 3 should they be signed.

Valley FC til I die?

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over 7 years ago

Tratt, definitely.

Based on last season and India, would be disappointed if the other two made it. 

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

I haven't seen much from De Jong, but Rudan is seemingly pretty ruthless with the trialists so he must see something.

Good to hear there was some truth to the Tratt rumours.

Gulley not making it is a surprise from what everyone has been saying about him and our lack of depth at FB?

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

valeo wrote:

I haven't seen much from De Jong, but Rudan is seemingly pretty ruthless with the trialists so he must see something.

Good to hear there was some truth to the Tratt rumours.

Gulley not making it is a surprise from what everyone has been saying about him and our lack of depth at FB?

One would suspect that our last two imports (Krishna being considered a local) wuld be a RB and a striker. We can change formation to use what we have for the other midfielder (Nichols as a B2B but thats stretching it)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 7 years ago

bunter wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Bunter you should stop with those graphics. You've had Cacace as an attacking midfielder and Fenton as a DM. It just makes everything you say hard to take seriously after that.

Let's see how the season goes. 

I bet you dollars to donuts that Cacace is not an AM and Fenton is not a DM. All you have to do is watch and read to see that.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Jeff Vader wrote:

valeo wrote:

I haven't seen much from De Jong, but Rudan is seemingly pretty ruthless with the trialists so he must see something.

Good to hear there was some truth to the Tratt rumours.

Gulley not making it is a surprise from what everyone has been saying about him and our lack of depth at FB?

One would suspect that our last two imports (Krishna being considered a local) wuld be a RB and a striker. We can change formation to use what we have for the other midfielder (Nichols as a B2B but thats stretching it)

Would've thought Tratt would play RB and we'd first and foremost try and get an import striker (obviously the biggest hole in the squad right now) and then when Krishna's status is confirmed (if it is), I reckon we'll go for another DM to play alongside Kopa.

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

valeo wrote:

I haven't seen much from De Jong, but Rudan is seemingly pretty ruthless with the trialists so he must see something.

Good to hear there was some truth to the Tratt rumours.

Gulley not making it is a surprise from what everyone has been saying about him and our lack of depth at FB?

One would suspect that our last two imports (Krishna being considered a local) wuld be a RB and a striker. We can change formation to use what we have for the other midfielder (Nichols as a B2B but thats stretching it)

Priorities:

1) DM 2)RB (Could be Tratt) 3) Striker

The core, and second DM in particular now, is Rudan's priority.

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bunter wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

valeo wrote:

I haven't seen much from De Jong, but Rudan is seemingly pretty ruthless with the trialists so he must see something.

Good to hear there was some truth to the Tratt rumours.

Gulley not making it is a surprise from what everyone has been saying about him and our lack of depth at FB?

One would suspect that our last two imports (Krishna being considered a local) wuld be a RB and a striker. We can change formation to use what we have for the other midfielder (Nichols as a B2B but thats stretching it)

Priorities:

1) DM 2)RB (Could be Tratt) 3) Striker

The core, and second DM in particular now, is Rudan's priority.

GK (Filip)/CB (Taylor) / DM ( Kopa) / Striker (Krishna/Import) is the 'spine'. We have Krishna, but we can't rely on him; he had the yips at times last season too.

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

Great if we can get Tratt, assuming he is the player he promised to be when he left... no one has seem him play for a while, so there is still a risk.

Rufer is a bit of a shock, given the comments around Scandanavia and De Jong is worth a second look. Not sure who questioned his India game, but I thought he did ok.

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over 7 years ago

How much better than Gulley is Tratt?



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over 7 years ago

Can I just say how much I am enjoying Mark Rudan's press conferences. Loving his no bullshark approach!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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[quote=martinb]

How much better than Gulley is Tratt?

Slightly better IMO, younger and more robust too. That being said i'm upset we didn't pick up Gulley, but we can't have them all I guess

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over 7 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:

martinb wrote:

How much better than Gulley is Tratt?

Slightly better IMO, younger and more robust too. That being said i'm upset we didn't pick up Gulley, but we can't have them all I guess

Rudan is setting the bar high for his recruitment. Gulley/Tratt will be competing against the possible visa options that Rudan will be looking at. Defenders are cheaper than attackers, so we would probably invest our limited resources into getting quality defenders. De Jong being an attacker, will be compared against other Aussie/Kiwis and cheaper visa option up front.
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over 7 years ago

I've been a bit out of touch with all the comings and goings - but did we hang onto Burns?

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over 7 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Can I just say how much I am enjoying Mark Rudan's press conferences. Loving his no bullshark approach!

I know what you mean, there's something endearing about his attitude, gruff persona and the words he is spouting. I think if he can follow through on this, then we will do ok. I think the signings are good, but not great, so this team is going to have to be very well coached in order for us to do well.

I do feel compelled to add, that after watching 3 of his press conferences in a row last night (yeah, just like the rest of you, I need to get a life ;-)) I started to wonder, and only wonder - this is not (yet) my opinion, if the tough guy act would wear thin, and if he might just be a little too much of a control freak - I noticed that he really did oversee these press conferences like a school master and didn't really let the players talk a whole lot. 

Early days though and right now I agree with C-Diddy's opinion

360footballnews.com

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over 7 years ago

brumbys wrote:

I've been a bit out of touch with all the comings and goings - but did we hang onto Burns?

Yip, we have. And hopefully the Johnny Warren version of Nathan Burns too

360footballnews.com

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over 7 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:

[quote=martinb]

How much better than Gulley is Tratt?

Slightly better IMO, younger and more robust too. That being said i'm upset we didn't pick up Gulley, but we can't have them all I guess

My personal opinion, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, is that Gulley and Tratt were roughly at the same level when they were both with us last time. Like mrsmiis said, Tratt more robust and very strong in the tackle, but Gulley much quicker.

Tratt could also be great on the ball, but prone to frequent bad passes and often caught out with defensive positioning. There was a lot there to suggest that he could be a really amazing player though and to be fair to him (and Gulley) they were both being asked to bomb forward very frequently, which makes defending difficult.

From what I've seen Gulley has improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and has started to master the art of simply not letting the opposition past him and is also very good on the ball and playing out from the back in tight situations. I'd be interested to see what the frequent live watchers of the Handy think. 

360footballnews.com

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RR wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

martinb wrote:

How much better than Gulley is Tratt?

Slightly better IMO, younger and more robust too. That being said i'm upset we didn't pick up Gulley, but we can't have them all I guess

Rudan is setting the bar high for his recruitment. Gulley/Tratt will be competing against the possible visa options that Rudan will be looking at. Defenders are cheaper than attackers, so we would probably invest our limited resources into getting quality defenders. De Jong being an attacker, will be compared against other Aussie/Kiwis and cheaper visa option up front.

That is absolutely bang on. In addition to what you have said, we already have Krishna and Burns, who are both proven a-league strikers and command hefty salaries, so it's not like that area of the team is going to be neglected

360footballnews.com

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over 7 years ago

RR wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

martinb wrote:

How much better than Gulley is Tratt?

Slightly better IMO, younger and more robust too. That being said i'm upset we didn't pick up Gulley, but we can't have them all I guess

Rudan is setting the bar high for his recruitment. Gulley/Tratt will be competing against the possible visa options that Rudan will be looking at. Defenders are cheaper than attackers, so we would probably invest our limited resources into getting quality defenders. De Jong being an attacker, will be compared against other Aussie/Kiwis and cheaper visa option up front.

You would hope looking at our supply lines there could be a place for someone who defends from the front and can collect tap ins! De Jong has done well in state leagues and combined well with Singh.



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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

TL;DR Transfer Update


Rosters Spots used: 15/23
- Smith was re-signed on a Scholarship contract (Sauce)
- 2/3 u20 Spots filled

Visa Spots used: 4/5
- Krishna has lodged his Citizenship paperwork & awaiting decision (Sauce)

Confirmed Transfers:
Michał Kopczyński
Filip Kurto
Mitch Nichols
Steven Taylor
David Williams

Rumoured Transfers:

Confirmed Trialists:

Andre De Jong*
Callan Elliot
Justin Gulley
Joseph Harris
Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi
Jack-Henry Sinclair
Joshua Wallen

Rumoured Trialists:
Alex Rufer*
Jacob Tratt*


* invited to the GC Camp (Sauce) (Sauce)

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over 7 years ago

Sounds like from the press conference that Rudan is looking at another central midfielder on a visa?



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over 7 years ago

reg22 wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

Can I just say how much I am enjoying Mark Rudan's press conferences. Loving his no bullshark approach!

I know what you mean, there's something endearing about his attitude, gruff persona and the words he is spouting. I think if he can follow through on this, then we will do ok. I think the signings are good, but not great, so this team is going to have to be very well coached in order for us to do well.

I do feel compelled to add, that after watching 3 of his press conferences in a row last night (yeah, just like the rest of you, I need to get a life ;-)) I started to wonder, and only wonder - this is not (yet) my opinion, if the tough guy act would wear thin, and if he might just be a little too much of a control freak - I noticed that he really did oversee these press conferences like a school master and didn't really let the players talk a whole lot. 

Early days though and right now I agree with C-Diddy's opinion

It's hard to let players speak when they don't speak the language! Mark is only doing what he can to help the visa players along with the media.

Speaking of Rudes, my favourite moment from today's press conference:

"[Michal] will find out very quickly, and I've told [the players], the referees won't give us anything. They'll give us nothing" ?

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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over 7 years ago

what’s happened to Calvin Harris?

Currently suffering exile in Christchurch

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over 7 years ago

DodgyB wrote:

what’s happened to Calvin Harris?

Injured.

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over 7 years ago

Tratts been winning awards back in Aus.

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