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martinb wrote:

He's better than a lot of the suggested alternatives, gives us tactical depth, is taller than Hamish Watson etc. 

I sure hope height isn't the only thing he has on Watto
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Oska wrote:

martinb wrote:

He's better than a lot of the suggested alternatives, gives us tactical depth, is taller than Hamish Watson etc. 

I sure hope height isn't the only thing he has on Watto

Bigger beard, his name is more unpronounceable, the list goes on

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Is he always offside?

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If Sydney scored 5 last night I feel we are in for a record tonight.  6-2 to Nix, even more if we are clinical. Get in here.......

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Wotsup wrote:

If Sydney scored 5 last night I feel we are in for a record tonight.  6-2 to Nix, even more if we are clinical. Get in here.......

As long as its the Mariners and not Adelaide we could do 6.

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YoungHeart wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

Feeling more and more confident about the squad that is being pulled together, still a couple more signings to be confirmed nonetheless, but I like the fact that at no stage has Rudan felt compelled or rushed into signing players just to make up the numbers. Obviously knows what he wants and is prepared to make the tough calls.

Quietly confident we'll be somewhere in the mix for top 6 this season (ok 5th/6th) but that would represent vast improvement on what we've seen the past couple of years. Roll on next weekend!

Disagree completely and utterly.

Easily the worst squad we have assembled and when you are a few days from the season opening and any player worth having has been signed it is sharke.

Saying that I don't blame rudan but the people who are controlling the purse strings whom by their lack of inaction have buried this club this off season

For those whom are on the train, I'll repost this at the end of the season when we have the wooden spoon and have had our license canned.

Respect your opinion, however much i disagree with it, but I'll be keeping an eye out for the bit in bold come season's end.

Just thought I'd throw this out there, took an age to find it, but just wanted to know if you've had any thoughts or change of stance based on the season so far AucklandPhoenix? 

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can we still sign players? We need a midfielder badly

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james dean wrote:

can we still sign players? We need a midfielder badly

Window closes on the 31st. Two roster spots available but no visa slots.
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RR wrote:

james dean wrote:

can we still sign players? We need a midfielder badly

Window closes on the 31st. Two roster spots available but no visa slots.

Should be wernt there calls to get rid of Kurto,Mandi and Kopa. Oh hold on.LMAO
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TAHW seems like the perfect backup midfielder to displace Nichols, but he keeps getting injured at the wrong time.

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valeo wrote:

TAHW seems like the perfect backup midfielder to displace Nichols, but he keeps getting injured at the wrong time.

Either him or Payne would be perfect, sadly Payne isn't interested. Mario Barcia doesn't have citizenship right?
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YoungHeart wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

Feeling more and more confident about the squad that is being pulled together, still a couple more signings to be confirmed nonetheless, but I like the fact that at no stage has Rudan felt compelled or rushed into signing players just to make up the numbers. Obviously knows what he wants and is prepared to make the tough calls.

Quietly confident we'll be somewhere in the mix for top 6 this season (ok 5th/6th) but that would represent vast improvement on what we've seen the past couple of years. Roll on next weekend!

Disagree completely and utterly.

Easily the worst squad we have assembled and when you are a few days from the season opening and any player worth having has been signed it is sharke.

Saying that I don't blame rudan but the people who are controlling the purse strings whom by their lack of inaction have buried this club this off season

For those whom are on the train, I'll repost this at the end of the season when we have the wooden spoon and have had our license canned.

Respect your opinion, however much i disagree with it, but I'll be keeping an eye out for the bit in bold come season's end.

Just thought I'd throw this out there, took an age to find it, but just wanted to know if you've had any thoughts or change of stance based on the season so far AucklandPhoenix? 

Fair cop, was wrong about the wooden spoon this year

Rudan has made  our worst squad on paper a winning team

Cudos to him

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YoungHeart wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

Feeling more and more confident about the squad that is being pulled together, still a couple more signings to be confirmed nonetheless, but I like the fact that at no stage has Rudan felt compelled or rushed into signing players just to make up the numbers. Obviously knows what he wants and is prepared to make the tough calls.

Quietly confident we'll be somewhere in the mix for top 6 this season (ok 5th/6th) but that would represent vast improvement on what we've seen the past couple of years. Roll on next weekend!

Disagree completely and utterly.

Easily the worst squad we have assembled and when you are a few days from the season opening and any player worth having has been signed it is sharke.

Saying that I don't blame rudan but the people who are controlling the purse strings whom by their lack of inaction have buried this club this off season

For those whom are on the train, I'll repost this at the end of the season when we have the wooden spoon and have had our license canned.

Respect your opinion, however much i disagree with it, but I'll be keeping an eye out for the bit in bold come season's end.

Just thought I'd throw this out there, took an age to find it, but just wanted to know if you've had any thoughts or change of stance based on the season so far AucklandPhoenix? 

Fair cop, was wrong about the wooden spoon this year

Rudan has made  our worst squad on paper a winning team

Cudos to him

good on you for taking the hit, I think you're way off base with this though. On the Kiwi players alone this squad is streaks ahead of previous ones, add to that the imports who have started to show their worth, then the current squad would kill anyone of the previous years squads.

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I don't expect Cacace/Fenton to play every game, for different reasons. I'd like to see Ryan Lowry at left wingback (he could play right wingback too or in the back 3). 

Post season, Matt Millar at right wingback would be an exciting signing, but there will be competition for his signature.

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Global Game wrote:

I don't expect Cacace/Fenton to play every game, for different reasons. I'd like to see Ryan Lowry at left wingback (he could play right wingback too or in the back 3). 

Post season, Matt Millar at right wingback would be an exciting signing, but there will be competition for his signature.

I didn't know Ryan Lowry had a left foot, are you not thinking of his brother Shane?

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Stretching it to say its streets ahead of other squads when it comes to Kiwi players.Maybe potential wise it is

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Global Game wrote:

I don't expect Cacace/Fenton to play every game, for different reasons. I'd like to see Ryan Lowry at left wingback (he could play right wingback too or in the back 3). 

Post season, Matt Millar at right wingback would be an exciting signing, but there will be competition for his signature.

I've thought he's been excellent in his first season in the A-League. Tall, strong and quick, bombs up and down the flank for a full 90 and has I think 3 assists to his name already while playing in (results wise) one of the worst A-League sides ever. No doubt he'll re-sign or go to a club like Melbourne City, but jeez he's been an impressive pick up so far. 

If we sign Gulley though I'll be very happy, would love to see him back in the Nix frame

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ballane wrote:

Stretching it to say its streets ahead of other squads when it comes to Kiwi players.Maybe potential wise it is

Singh, Cacacae, Rufer (current version) =>>>>>> Brown, Lochhead, Ridenton (any version)

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Global Game wrote:

I don't expect Cacace/Fenton to play every game, for different reasons. I'd like to see Ryan Lowry at left wingback (he could play right wingback too or in the back 3). 

Post season, Matt Millar at right wingback would be an exciting signing, but there will be competition for his signature.

I've thought he's been excellent in his first season in the A-League. Tall, strong and quick, bombs up and down the flank for a full 90 and has I think 3 assists to his name already while playing in (results wise) one of the worst A-League sides ever. No doubt he'll re-sign or go to a club like Melbourne City, but jeez he's been an impressive pick up so far. 

If we sign Gulley though I'll be very happy, would love to see him back in the Nix frame

He's played the last couple for TW, not sure we'll see him signed.
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theprof wrote:

ballane wrote:

Stretching it to say its streets ahead of other squads when it comes to Kiwi players.Maybe potential wise it is

Singh, Cacacae, Rufer (current version) =>>>>>> Brown, Lochhead, Ridenton (any version)

Rufer <<< Brown - no doubt about that. This being said, they're quite different players, but Brown's ability to break up play and move the ball up the pitch quickly and his bombing runs into the opposition box are still unrivaled at this club. And I do like Rufer, he's just not as good.

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theprof wrote:

ballane wrote:

Stretching it to say its streets ahead of other squads when it comes to Kiwi players.Maybe potential wise it is

Singh, Cacacae, Rufer (current version) =>>>>>> Brown, Lochhead, Ridenton (any version)

Rufer <<< Brown - no doubt about that. This being said, they're quite different players, but Brown's ability to break up play and move the ball up the pitch quickly and his bombing runs into the opposition box are still unrivaled at this club. And I do like Rufer, he's just not as good.

Brown was not a good football player

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Yet he had a 10 year professional career and was key to our most successful season. Wish I was that shark at the game.

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I find it interesting how three of our all-time most scapegoated players, Brown, Lia and Ridenton, are all quite similar. I think they have all been seen by supporters as defensive/holding midfielders when their skillsets are actually more suited to disrupting opposition midfields and moving the play upfield. None of them are technically exceptional, and Ridenton and Lia were poor in front of goal, but they were all good A-League players for us whose contributions weren’t recognised by many supporters IMO. 

You can be a “good footballer” without being exceptionally good when spending a lot of time on the ball. That was the case with Siggy and Manny but they weren't criticised for it because they were recognised as that sort of player. 

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Oska wrote:

I find it interesting how three of our all-time most scapegoated players, Brown, Lia and Ridenton, are all quite similar. I think they have all been seen by supporters as defensive/holding midfielders when their skillsets are actually more suited to disrupting opposition midfields and moving the play upfield. None of them are technically exceptional, and Ridenton and Lia were poor in front of goal, but they were all good A-League players for us whose contributions weren’t recognised by many supporters IMO. 

You can be a “good footballer” without being exceptionally good when spending a lot of time on the ball. That was the case with Siggy and Manny but they weren't criticised for it because they were recognised as that sort of player. 

Brown wasn't a defensive/holding midfielder, he didn't do much defending. The reason I think he was not a good player is exactly for that reason: painted as a holding "disruptive" midfielder when in reality he shunned his defensive duties and never actually made his way back after making forward runs. If the stats are there I'd love to know whether there was another midfielder in A-League history who completed less passes or had less touches on a per 90 minute basis. He did have a knack for making late runs into the box and grabbing goals, but that's about it. 

My preference in a holding midfielder is to have someone (in this order) who a) is competent on the ball and is involved in the build up, b) breaks up play and protects the back four, and c) gets forward and adds value to attacking chances. Brown didn't do a or b at anywhere near a high level.

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I agree that he wasn't a defensive/holding midfielder, but he did contribute defensively by harrying and disrupting opposition midfields, and offensively by getting forward and causing havoc/scoring goals.

I don't get how being painted as something he wasn't, or not making a lot of passes, makes him a bad player?  The best Phoenix teams he was part of relied more on the likes of Manny Muscat to sit at the base of midfield, and on Lia, Ward, Smith and Sanchez to spread the play.  

He was good (at A-League level) at what he did, sitting in front of the defence or distributing the ball simply wasn't his role.

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Seeing red wrote:
theprof wrote:
ballane wrote:

Stretching it to say its streets ahead of other squads when it comes to Kiwi players.Maybe potential wise it is

Singh, Cacacae, Rufer (current version) =>>>>>> Brown, Lochhead, Ridenton (any version)

Rufer <<< Brown - no doubt about that. This being said, they're quite different players, but Brown's ability to break up play and move the ball up the pitch quickly and his bombing runs into the opposition box are still unrivaled at this club. And I do like Rufer, he's just not as good.

Brown was not a good football player

totally disagree. I'm just saying that Rufer/Singh are better than he was.

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Seeing red wrote:

Oska wrote:

I find it interesting how three of our all-time most scapegoated players, Brown, Lia and Ridenton, are all quite similar. I think they have all been seen by supporters as defensive/holding midfielders when their skillsets are actually more suited to disrupting opposition midfields and moving the play upfield. None of them are technically exceptional, and Ridenton and Lia were poor in front of goal, but they were all good A-League players for us whose contributions weren’t recognised by many supporters IMO. 

You can be a “good footballer” without being exceptionally good when spending a lot of time on the ball. That was the case with Siggy and Manny but they weren't criticised for it because they were recognised as that sort of player. 

Brown wasn't a defensive/holding midfielder, he didn't do much defending. The reason I think he was not a good player is exactly for that reason: painted as a holding "disruptive" midfielder when in reality he shunned his defensive duties and never actually made his way back after making forward runs. If the stats are there I'd love to know whether there was another midfielder in A-League history who completed less passes or had less touches on a per 90 minute basis. He did have a knack for making late runs into the box and grabbing goals, but that's about it. 

My preference in a holding midfielder is to have someone (in this order) who a) is competent on the ball and is involved in the build up, b) breaks up play and protects the back four, and c) gets forward and adds value to attacking chances. Brown didn't do a or b at anywhere near a high level.

My memory of Brown was that he was never painted as a holding 'disruptive' midfielder - not actually sure where you got this idea from. He was always viewed as a box-to-box midfielder. Huge engine, decent goal scoring record. While he may not have been the best defensively, he was always combatitive and I disagree that he never tracked back. It's not a coincendence the team went from three consecutive finals appearances to last place after he retired.

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Seeing red wrote:

theprof wrote:

ballane wrote:

Stretching it to say its streets ahead of other squads when it comes to Kiwi players.Maybe potential wise it is

Singh, Cacacae, Rufer (current version) =>>>>>> Brown, Lochhead, Ridenton (any version)

Rufer <<< Brown - no doubt about that. This being said, they're quite different players, but Brown's ability to break up play and move the ball up the pitch quickly and his bombing runs into the opposition box are still unrivaled at this club. And I do like Rufer, he's just not as good.

Brown was not a good football player

Are you high?

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Not Boyd
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Step up Hudson Wihongi

Appiah without the pace
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Reckon they have a replacement lined up for Nichols because we have no depth beyond Rufer, Mandi and Kopa

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I guess that frees up a bit of cap space which we must be running low on after signing up Sheridan, although I imagine those two wouldn't have been on huge cash.

Still hopefully that gives us enough cap space to strengthen our midfield and squad depth. Could do with some cover for Fenton too.

Exciting that the squad might get better still during January!

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2ndBest wrote:

Reckon they have a replacement lined up for Nichols because we have no depth beyond Rufer, Mandi and Kopa

That's rough on Fox and Lowry :P
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2ndBest wrote:

Reckon they have a replacement lined up for Nichols because we have no depth beyond Rufer, Mandi and Kopa

Down to 20 first team players overall.  That would drop below the minimum when Way leaves at the end of the month if we don't sign anyone else. 
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Tyler wrote:

Step up Hudson Wihongi

He'd need to last a couple of games uninjured first.

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Bullion wrote:

That's rough on Fox and Lowry :P

They're backs we can use in midfield at a pinch.

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Hard News wrote:

Bullion wrote:

That's rough on Fox and Lowry :P

They're backs we can use in midfield at a pinch.

It was a joke because Fox has only played in midfield this season and Lowry has about as many minutes at RB as he does in midfield.

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It's Aaron Clapham time

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valeo wrote:

It's Aaron Clapham time

LOL

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Any actual speculation on who we might sign? Who's been trialing/training with us recently?

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