Wellington Phoenix Men

vs Jets

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
brumbys wrote:
I'm keen for these boys getting a run but its too critical now. Not time to experiment. I think that Feverish has got the team list sorted.
 
As for Costa/Drapes/other potential youth signings we need to find an outlet for them because this is giving them no help. Do we try and get them into USA colleges? Pay for them to go and come back to play for us upon graduation? We need to get creative because we are limited in funding, facilities, programmes and the people to be able to get on par with them. It's going to take a lot of time and is going to be a very much up hill battle!
 
Someone thinking outside the square. I like it!
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Im keen for costa to get nothing and Draper to get 20-30 mins

Me too, but unfortuantely, Drapes isnt in the squad for Sunday....
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scribbler wrote:
brumbys wrote:
I'm keen for these boys getting a run but its too critical now. Not time to experiment. I think that Feverish has got the team list sorted.
 
As for Costa/Drapes/other potential youth signings we need to find an outlet for them because this is giving them no help. Do we try and get them into USA colleges? Pay for them to go and come back to play for us upon graduation? We need to get creative because we are limited in funding, facilities, programmes and the people to be able to get on par with them. It's going to take a lot of time and is going to be a very much up hill battle!
 
Someone thinking outside the square. I like it!
 
Cheers. It something that needs doing. We need to get strategic with the way we manage the growth and development of players. We are lacking in resources (people, facilities and financial) to be able to try and emulate Europe, Australia and the USA so we need to get back to square one and come up with ways that haven't been tried. We have 2 things working against us. The first is SPARC and that we are well down the pecking order financially, secondly we we don't have the critical mass for us to get there!
 
Anyway back on topic I think we need to give them an outlet sooner rather than later because if I was in Costa's shoes i'd be seriously considering playing for somewhere like Team Wellington where he could be playing week in week out!!!
 
I haven't read it yet but who's on the team sheet for this week?
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
brumbys wrote:
Anyway back on topic I think we need to give them an outlet sooner rather than later because if I was in Costa's shoes i'd be seriously considering playing for somewhere like Team Wellington where he could be playing week in week out!!!


Thankfully you are not his agent then....
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
If Siggy isn't fit it becomes VERY interesting.


Ricki said its a week early but siggy's rearing to go
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agent 47 wrote:
brumbys wrote:
Anyway back on topic I think we need to give them an outlet sooner rather than later because if I was in Costa's shoes i'd be seriously considering playing for somewhere like Team Wellington where he could be playing week in week out!!!


Thankfully you are not his agent then....


If was his agent i'd have the boy in the USA by now. Ricki and Tony P must have promised a lot! Ah the joys of knowing what goes on behind closed doors
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
valeo wrote:
Agreed. People shouldn't compare young NZ players to young Aussie ones. Young aussie players have years in the VIS/AIS and as a result have much better technical skill (Craig Foster moment..) than an NZ player at a similar age. Now that all A-League teams have a youth team except us that gap between the young NZ football player and the young Aussie football player is widening.



Yet, despite this our U-20 beat them in a series only a couple of years ago and they were lucky not to lose to our Olympic side last year.


Fair enough but just because they won a game or two against them doesn't mean they are equal in terms of ability or have the same potential to step up to the A-League.


valeo2008-12-31 16:33:17

a.haak

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ricki's normally a conservative sort of selector. So don't expect too many surprises. As has been pointed out Siggy for Durante definite. Plodder or Johnson for DM. Plodder has been coming off the bench regularly...but Johnson has heaps of experiance. We will miss mcCains height and prescence.
I would be surprised if Costa is in over kwasnik. Kwasnik has been on the bench recently...but done jack shiite when he comes on. Costa is not yet a Zullo or Oar.
 
We really have to reve up for this game....the passing through the midfield against the Roar was crap. The Jets are their for the taking but we need to regularly get the ball to Super Leo and Smeltz in good positions....they will set up the goals. I agree with Chote...time to be a bit more adventurous.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:
Ricki's normally a conservative sort of selector.......


and that won't cut it this weekend - after the Mariners win last night we must win on Sunday or our Top 4 aspirations are over - unless you think we can take 3 points off Adelaide !!

The Jets won't be easy - they have nothing to loose as far as their Top 4 chances are concerned - they will be playing for pride. I suspect a few up and comers will get a run and they will be out to make a name for themselves.

Johnson and Christie aren't the players I would be playing in a must win game - we should have 2 strikers and 3 attacking midfielders - Kwasnik, Daniel and Hearfield. We will also need attacking options (Costa) on the bench.

Do or die this weekend - take the game to the Jets from the start - don't let them settle.

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
zinidane wrote:
Ricki's normally a conservative sort of selector.......


and that won't cut it this weekend - after the Mariners win last night we must win on Sunday or our Top 4 aspirations are over - unless you think we can take 3 points off Adelaide !!

The Jets won't be easy - they have nothing to loose as far as their Top 4 chances are concerned - they will be playing for pride. I suspect a few up and comers will get a run and they will be out to make a name for themselves.

Johnson and Christie aren't the players I would be playing in a must win game - we should have 2 strikers and 3 attacking midfielders - Kwasnik, Daniel and Hearfield. We will also need attacking options (Costa) on the bench.

Do or die this weekend - take the game to the Jets from the start - don't let them settle.



There is some merit to your thinking but the issue I have is once we lose possession, whom do you expect to man the midfield, shut down their guys and win possession back. Tim Brown....all by his lonesome....after his sub par performance last week?

I personally would like to see them play two holding midfielders, two central attacking midfielders, two strikers and use Muscat and Lockhead as wingbacks. Get them up and down the flanks. Wasn't that fitness guy saying Lockhead would be one of the fittest in the EPL. Utilise that. If they get caught out, drop Brown and Johnson/Christie in behind to cover and regain composure. Allow the two attacking midfielders to drop in if that situation happens.

              |---------------------------Lockhead----------------------------------|

              Dodd         Johnson/Christie   (Ferrante/Kwasnik             Bertos
Moss                                                          2 of the 4
              Sigmund            Brown              Hearfeild/Daniel)             Smeltz

              |--------------------------- Muscat------------------------------------|



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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
my team for sunday
 
 paston
 
                                  muscat                    sig                  dodd               lochead
 
                                ferrante                 brown             hearfield          daniel
 
                                                             kwasnik
 
                                                                                smeltz
 
subs
 
christie
barborouses
bertos
moss
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kad9 wrote:
my team for sunday
 
 paston
 
                                  muscat                    sig                  dodd               lochead
 
                                ferrante                 brown             hearfield          daniel
 
                                                             kwasnik
 
                                                                                smeltz
 
subs
 
christie
barborouses
bertos
moss


Bertos on the bench?
Expain
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he is good to come on when everyone else is tired
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
who is captaining this week if durante and mckain cant play
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kad9 wrote:
who is captaining this week if durante and mckain cant play
 
Timothy

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
my bet would be on tim
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kad9 wrote:
who is captaining this week if durante and mckain cant play
Brown and Bertos on the bench is really stupid.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kad9 wrote:
who is captaining this week if durante and mckain cant play
Brown and Bertos on the bench is really stupid.


Blunt but true...
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
my team for sunday
 
 paston
 
                                  muscat                    sig                  dodd               lochead
 
                                ferrante                 brown             hearfield          daniel
 
                                                            Bertos
 
                                                                                smeltz
 
subs
 
christie
barborouses
johnson
moss

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't wait to get back over there...

WHO AM I? WHO AM I?
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stevo wrote:
tigers wrote:

"does your mother

does your mother
does your mother,know you're here
does your mother, know you're here??"
 


He called my kid a slut....SHE'S ONLY NINE!!!

hahahahahahahahaha farken gypsies!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agent 47 wrote:
......issue I have is once we lose possession, whom do you expect to man the midfield, shut down their guys and win possession back. Tim Brown....all by his lonesome....after his sub par performance last week.....          
 
We need to defend further up the park - in numbers i.e the back four push up with the front centre back playing closer to the holding midfielder. I'm suggesting we play a midfield diamond with Brown or Ferrante at the back - Hearfield and Kwasnik wide and Daniel behind the 2 strikers - or swap Kwasnik and Daniel.  
 
We have been at our best this season when we have muscled up and hustled the opposition midfield and then attacked at pace. 
 
This is it on Sunday - our season fizzles out or keeps a pulse for the Sydney game - conservative (2 defensive midfielders - especially when 1 of them isn't McKain) isn't the way I would go.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Come on guys, be realistic. I know we'd all love the team to play like Barcelona and thump teams 3/4-0 regularly, but that's not where our strengths lie.

I think we'll see pretty much the formation we saw against CCM, with the necessary changes in personnel due to suspenions, and the same kind of result too. I know it's tempting ti suggest we play 2 strikers and 3 attacking mids, but what do we do if we get 2-0 behind in the first 20 by doing so? No, we need to stick with what's worked so far, keep it tight at the back, show patience and wait for mistakes (but preferably keep the possession a bit longer than we did in the last two games...). That's much more likely to bring us a result than putting out a new and very attacking formation.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Come on guys, be realistic. I know we'd all love the team to play like Barcelona and thump teams 3/4-0 regularly, but that's not where our strengths lie.

I think we'll see pretty much the formation we saw against CCM, with the necessary changes in personnel due to suspenions, and the same kind of result too. I know it's tempting ti suggest we play 2 strikers and 3 attacking mids, but what do we do if we get 2-0 behind in the first 20 by doing so? No, we need to stick with what's worked so far, keep it tight at the back, show patience and wait for mistakes (but preferably keep the possession a bit longer than we did in the last two games...). That's much more likely to bring us a result than putting out a new and very attacking formation.
 
As much as I hate to admit it this is probably whats going to happen .TBH we don't seem to have the players to rip up teams 4-0. We are short of a creative midfielder and another really good striker. The trouble with playing our patient slow buildup is that many of the players can't seem to hold onto the ferkin ball...just like against the Roar it was...two passes and oops have it back and attack us some more.
 
The last few rounds teams have swarmed all over Smeltz and that has cut out our major source of goals. Playing one striker up front is too easy to defend against...but the cupboard is bare(please don't bring up Draper or Coveny....its not going to happen and Costa is another winger). Super leo has been the main provider the last few rounds...they need to give it to him in good positions more often.
So buckle up for Sunday as it will probably be another close nail biting affair!
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agreed El G and Zinidane

Playing 3 attacking midfielders is a silly ploy so Whitby you really are pushing a steam roller up hill with that one. You can't play Ferrante in a holding role because thats not his game. Its like asking Smeltz to play in goal....

Last week we had a massive hole 25 out in front of goal where McKain and Brown were supposed to be but in the case of Brown, he was 'defending too far up field'. Everyone thought we defended too deep but in fact, Brown played too far up field (not his normal holding role). That left that hole in front of goal where we conceded freekicks and let them shoot with free will and you want Brown to hold on his own in front of goal?????

We need to keep possession and need two solid ball winning holding midfielders to get us there.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agent 47 wrote:
Last week we had a massive hole 25 out in front of goal where McKain and Brown were supposed to be but in the case of Brown, he was 'defending too far up field'. Everyone thought we defended too deep but in fact, Brown played too far up field (not his normal holding role). That left that hole in front of goal where we conceded freekicks and let them shoot with free will and you want Brown to hold on his own in front of goal?????


Very true - there was a massive gap between McKain as the defensive screen and the rest of the midfield, particularly noticable in that 25-30 yard zone. Queensland mids were drifting into that space at will and this was causing us massive amount of trouble.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I'm a tad worried for this week with Johnson not having game time and Christie not much more. Johnson plays well when he gets a run, but its a game where he needs to be firing from opening whistle

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
----------Paston
Muscat--Dodd--Sigumund--Lochhead
-----Christie-Brown
---------Ferrante
----------Bertos
-------Daniel-Smeltz

I bit of a mix up... but honostly get some attackers up there. Daniel can finish so put him up front and go for it.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd like the team to play 5-3-2  with wingbacks. lets attack the jets and not give then a chance to settle

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wish it coulld be like this
 
Paston
Mully Muscat  Dodd Sig Loch
Brown Ferrante Daniel
Berts Smeltz

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Only five defenders? What are you thinking!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmm a 4-3-3 would also be good. Except all 3 strikers are central not wingers.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kwasnik?
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man_utd_fan wrote:
kwasnik?


I'm keen to see him in the starting line up
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think we should get back to simplicity, specialists and attack.  Ricki is too obsessed with getting midfielders who track back.  If they do their fricken job with the ball in the first place and the guys who are there to defend do just that then you don't need 9 guys who get back!
 
We only need on defensive midfielder.  The others should be ball players.  It was evident last week that Brown is not a ball player - he had a chance to counter and had no idea what to do but hold it up and wait for the cavalry.  So slot him into McKain's role and replace McKain with a striker.  I think Kwasnik as an out and out striker partnering Smeltz.
 
I'd then have genuine wide midfielders - Bertos on the right and Daniel on the left, with Ferrante as a standard central midfielder.
 
So...
 
                 Paston
Muscat Dodd Sigmund Lochhead
                 Brown
Bertos     Ferrante       Daniel
         Smeltz      Kwasnik
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You put a good argument energy24

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's amazing how suddenly everyone wants Kwassy back in the team when before no one could stand the sound of that name.  He has done nothing for everyone to start wanting to recall him.

But in saying that I wouldn't begrudge Ricki for giving him another go...it just makes me laugh thats all.
caseym2009-01-02 12:03:23
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
caseym wrote:
It's amazing how suddenly everyone wants Kwassy back in the team when before no one could stand the sound of that name.  He has done nothing for everyone to start wanting to recall him.

But in saying that I wouldn't begrudge Ricki for giving him another go...it just makes me laugh thats all.


Fair enough. For me i just want to see him get another chance, a decent chance!
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
caseym wrote:

It's amazing how suddenly everyone wants Kwassy back in the team when before no one could stand the sound of that name.� He has done nothing for everyone to start wanting to recall him. But in saying that I wouldn't begrudge Ricki for giving him another go...it just makes me laugh thats all.


I've always said we should give him a chance to fire. :l I got slogged for it.
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