Wellington Phoenix Men

Welcome to the A-League...

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who cares what the strip looks like as long as we can have "Bimbo" for our sponsor too.

Whatever it is, I'll buy some...

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Baked goods I believe.  I've got an old Tigres Monterrey strip with 'Bimbo' on it.

How's my driving? - Whine here

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
First off, welcome to the league and here's hoping the team takes off in Wellington... All the best guys (except when you play Qld )
 
Marius Lakatush wrote:
Question for our Aussie welcoming committee ...
 
what's regarded as the best away trip for a travelling footy fan?

Brisbane or Melbourne.

 

Melbourne by far, the atmosphere in the Dome is unbelievable. Melbourne fans have set the mark. Sydney fans don't even turn up to watch Sydney so that should tell you something (don't go there).

 

Plus at Melbourne you can been entertained by the traffic making right hand turns from the left lane (its crazy)

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tintin1989 wrote:
Sydney- Great beaches, touristy stuff like the Harbour Bridge, best fans!!!
 
t**ser
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kenny wrote:
tintin1989 wrote:
Sydney- Great beaches, touristy stuff like the Harbour Bridge, best fans!!!
 
t**ser
 
This forum censors t**ser? Ha f**kin' ha?
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Alright, it's up to me to defend Sydney, I'll pick apart their argument bit by bit.
 
But seriously guys, you took my post so seriously when its obviously just a good natured jibe (hence the !!!) I admitted I was biased towards NSW at the start, so why insult me?
 
Well here it goes.
 
"best fans in NSW maybe, not the a-league, ever been to the dome?? infact i seam to remmember a game last year where you were outsung at home. and your crowd sizes dont lend support to the idea that you are the best or most loyal fans, or the biggest club."
 
Yes, I have actually, for the grand final. The atmosphere is better at Sydney, no matter how many people. It was a great game though I have to say. Have you ever been to a Sydney game at Aussie Stadium?
 
Now about the fans, Melbourne fans are just bandwagon jumpers. Watch their numbers plummet back to about 20k in a couple of years when Melbourne is back to 7th place where it belongs. I don't recall seeing 30k average fans last season when that happened. Also- quality, not quantity. Our chants are easily the best in the League (though I do love the Mariners one, "We hate you cause you're Victorian!") About all I heard at the grand final was "Melbourne, clap clap clap, Melbourne, clap, clap, clap!" Yeah, great, very original.
 
With regards to crowds, I think 15 000 was quite an achievement as an average crowd considering all the on and off field problems we had all year. And then there was Terry Butcher. He sure Butchered most of the entertainment value out of a very good group of player (look at the Champions League.) now that we have Branko crowds will increase greatly. He better get the job permanently.
 
I didn't claim Sydney was the biggest club, though I may as well defend that position which I haven't made as well.
Take a look at Sydney's away crowds. Yes, that's right, easily ahead of any other club. Which shows why Sydney is the biggest and most important club in the League. Almost every team has a rivalry with them.
Sydney vs:
Melbourne- 2 biggest cities
Queensland- origin but not as you know it
Adelaide- we just hate each other, many close games
Newcastle+Central Coast- sort of 'local' derbys, within driving distance.
Even Perth and the Knights had bigger crowds against us.
We are the most well known team abroad with the successes in the Club World Cup and Champons Leagues, the signing and releasing of Yorke, and the whinging of Butcher in the UK papers about us (he then went to join a third rate team as a sort of assistant, assistant coach, which shows how much of a mistake he was in the first place.)
We are owned by the Lowys.
We are the biggest city in the country.
So Sydney is definitely the most important club in the country.
 
"Melbourne by far, the atmosphere in the Dome is unbelievable. Melbourne fans have set the mark. Sydney fans don't even turn up to watch Sydney so that should tell you something (don't go there)."
OK, this person has pretty much just plagerised the previous persons post so I can just ignore them. See above.
 
"t**ser"
I can assure you the Cove won't abuse you when you come watch Sydney play, as it seems will happen if you decide to go to watch games at wherever Kenny is from. It appears he is too embarrassed to admit that he is from Adelaide, or perhaps Perth, though I would say Queensland. The Queensland accent is a bit strange, you Kiwis might find it a bit hard to understand- typical sentence: short gruff mumbling followed by the word "ay/eh?" Just don't go there.
 
It looks like I win! As will Sydney this year! (Though I actaully want the Roar to win for the good of the league as a whole, and Perth to make the finals. I really just go for the A-League in general, so don't take any of my insulting comments too seriously, I just like arguing.) I've given you more than enough arguments to clearly prove my case. If you disagree, you're wrong.
 
Oh yeah, and welcome again to the Wellington Phoenix!!! (I had to make it somehow related to the main point of the forum!
 
(No offense intended by any part of this post to any Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Queensland etc resident!!!)
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

best city=melbourne

second=brisbane
dont worry about sydney, you gave give that a miss. and the others are just little towns. good luck and hope you come on over to melbourne or aus.
 
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bimbo make baked goods? That really isn't as exciting as I'd hoped.

What's with all the Aussies bitching at each other in this forum? They're already giving me a headache.

And to think we could all be spending quality time selecting the best football songs ever. Priorities please people.

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Honestly Term, you have no idea what it's like on Aus clubs forums... this is just a fraction of the bollocks that goes down on some other sites.

AVFCvillan wrote:
best city=melbourne


Wrong, best city = Wellington.

How's my driving? - Whine here

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
An argument about what's the best Australian city is a bit like an argument about what's the best sexually transmitted disease if you ask me.

"Herpes is number one!"

"Go go gonorrhea!"

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Aiiiii! Great fans site, bodes well for the new club. Better than the garbage the Kingz and Knights ever managed.

  **WELCOME TO THE A-LEAGUE**

I hope NZ gets it right this time. I'll be interested in seeing how the build up to the new season goes after the shambles in Auckland.

What is the popn of Wellington? What do you think the average crowd will be in season 1? Are people talking about it in town over there? TV Coverage so far?

Best away trip: Sydney or Brisbane. Melbourne is good too but a few provisos on that:

1. There won't be a 50k crowd to a Wellington game there. Maybe 20k tops if you're lucky. So none of the atmosphere you may have seen for the finals or the Sydney games.

2. Like you, the dome is an oval. When I went there with the cove we were so far from the pitch in the stands it wasn't funny. Every other team has a rectangular stadium... you're 'up-close'.

3. All the big crowds (like every other team) are against Sydney. Speaks for itself really.

Anyway, START SIGNING PLAYERS and see you at Aussie stadium.

You are my 2nd favourite team like the Knights were (until you start getting good that is) everyone loves an underdog.

Cheers, and enjoy watching Sydney in Asia. When we win the ACL I'll send you a pic.


almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Haha, inter state Aussie bickering is hilarious. If you think Everyone vs Auckland in NZ is pathetic you haven't been to Australia.

Btw, Melbourne is a good place to come to. Pretty much just a bigger Welly as previously stated.

a.haak

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago


That is Fenerbache's kit, one of the top Turkish teams. We seem to have a similar colors, it would be wicked if we could get it.

*dream*
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Haha, inter state Aussie bickering is hilarious. If you think Everyone vs Auckland in NZ is pathetic you haven't been to Australia.

Btw, Melbourne is a good place to come to. Pretty much just a bigger Welly as previously stated.
 
Whole heartedly agree on Melbourne being a good place to go for away games and on it being like a big Welly. I've been to Melbourune for the F1 and tennis and it really is a great place to go. Heaps of character and nice feel to it.
 
Just about everyone I know who has moved to Aus from NZ has gone to Melbourne.
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hi guys, from a Victory fanatic, just wishing you the very best of luck with the new club, it's your duty to see it get the support it needs! Auckland was absolutely rubbish but WP looks very promising. Make sure you have a HUGE transfer rumours mill it's worth it

Campaign hard with your club to support you and your initiatives, and get EVERYONE you know to the games! Let's see 15k average at least - show us what the capital of NZ can do unlike the hacks in Auckland.

Just PLEASE have your main supporter groups BEHIND the goals not in the middle!  Best of luck.


Oh, and enjoy the away trips to Perth...lol
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Where's Auckland??
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Zephyr wrote:
Where's Auckland??
Who

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ok i just feel i have to clear things up so none of you New zealanders are mislead

tintin1989 wrote:



Yes, I have actually, for the grand final. The atmosphere is better at Sydney, no matter how many people. It was a great game though I have to say. Have you ever been to a Sydney game at Aussie Stadium?

Now about the fans, Melbourne fans are just bandwagon jumpers. Watch their numbers plummet back to about 20k in a couple of years when Melbourne is back to 7th place where it belongs. I don't recall seeing 30k average fans last season when that happened. Also- quality, not quantity. Our chants are easily the best in the League (though I do love the Mariners one, "We hate you cause you're Victorian!") About all I heard at the grand final was "Melbourne, clap clap clap, Melbourne, clap, clap, clap!" Yeah, great, very original.[/QUOTE]

i know the amount of people doesnt neccessarily reflect the atmosphere, infact the best atmosphere we ever had was at olympic park with 15k vocal fans.  but the North Terrace in action is far better than the cove, i dont know where you were sitting but if you actaully knew anything of our supporters you would know that we never use that chant, and we actually have allot more creative chants than the cove (which is why adelaide and newcastle have been copying us, and not sydney) all they do is rip off other english chants which lack much creativity, atleast we draw from more than just england (itally, and greace are notable places we have translated chants from) admittidly our stadium does not help our accoustics. and yes i have been to aussie stadium to see you guys in action, that is when we outsung you and all your "loyal" supporters ran away to get out of the rain.

yes we do have a bandwagon ellement to our fans, as was evident by the people who would have been chanting the melbourne clap clap clap sh*t. But melbourne is actully far less of a bandwagon city than sydney. it is common knowledge that sydney supporters of any sport only really turn up when the team wins.  sport is in our blood in  melbourne, we are the only team in teh league to never have gotten a crowd below 10k (and we came 7th last season as you pointed out). although we didnt get 30k last season you are ill informed if you think our crowds will drop right back down when we lose some games, yes our crowds will go down a bit, but if you lived in melbourne you would have known that we are now intrenched in the cities sporting phsycie, and our crowds will not drop back to last seasons average.

 
tintin1989 wrote:
With regards to crowds, I think 15 000 was quite an achievement as an average crowd considering all the on and off field problems we had all year. And then there was Terry Butcher. He sure Butchered most of the entertainment value out of a very good group of player (look at the Champions League.) now that we have Branko crowds will increase greatly. He better get the job permanently.
[/QUOTE]

yes butcher hurt you guys and i'm very glad he has f**ked off, but 15k from the city with the highest playing levels is not good, and it hurts your credibillity of being the biggest club. and doesnt crowds leaveing coz you arnt playing well point to your fans being band wagoners?

 
tintin1989 wrote:

I didn't claim Sydney was the biggest club, though I may as well defend that position which I haven't made as well.
Take a look at Sydney's away crowds. Yes, that's right, easily ahead of any other club. Which shows why Sydney is the biggest and most important club in the League. Almost every team has [/QUOTE]

you only get good away crowds to CCM and newcastle, and they are only a few hours away, pretty much any club would get huge away support if they had clubs only 2 hours away, you shouldnt use these to argue you have the best away support.Melbourne got 400 to sydney, 500 to adelaide (and 1800 to adelaide in a semi final)
those trips are about 10 and 7 hours by car.

  [QUOTE=tintin1989]
We are the most well known team abroad with the successes in the Club World Cup and Champons Leagues, the signing and releasing of Yorke, and the whinging of Butcher in the UK papers about us (he then went to join a third rate team as a sort of assistant, assistant coach, which shows how much of a mistake he was in the first place.)
We are owned by the Lowys.
We are the biggest city in the country.
So Sydney is definitely the most important club in the country.


yes you are the best known, may change in the future since you are the only club to have succeded in asian, but only you and adelaide have been given the oppertunity (interestingly melbourne has won more legitimate trophies.
you are owned by the lowys....sooo?? no one else would buy in so they had to take controll, the club is run like a shambles (hopefully that will now change)

[QUOTE=tintin1989]
It looks like I win! As will Sydney this year! (Though I actaully want the Roar to win for the good of the league as a whole, and Perth to make the finals. I really just go for the A-League in general, so don't take any of my insulting comments too seriously, I just like arguing.) I've given you more than enough arguments to clearly prove my case. If you disagree, you're wrong.


im glad you are so sure of your self, but i dont think you win. but i must be wrong ... yeah its everyone else who is the problem who is wrong.



and from another poster.

[QUOTE=] 1. There won't be a 50k crowd to a Wellington game there. Maybe 20k tops if you're lucky. So none of the atmosphere you may have seen for the finals or the Sydney games.

2. Like you, the dome is an oval. When I went there with the cove we were so far from the pitch in the stands it wasn't funny. Every other team has a rectangular stadium... you're 'up-close'.

3. All the big crowds (like every other team) are against Sydney. Speaks for itself really.



 
1: actually our best atmosphere was actually against NZ, our fairwell to OP. yes you wont get 50k crowds, but often that doesnt actaully impact the atmosphere, and since you wont get even 20k crowds in sydney then why go there for a smaller crowd and worse atosphere?

2: yes our stadium doesnt help us. but what can we do....

3: yes because we hate you. they come to see melbourne not sydney, and our rivalry is based on the long running rivalries with our 2 cities, which untill now really hasnt had a sporting stage. we also get great crowds against adelaide though, and CCM and Queensland for that matter, though they are not like our sydney crowds.
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who's bothered all flights out of Ozzie are heading for WELLINGTON mate 
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A stands for something else as well mate but i guess you Ozzies no that only too well you see enough of them in the toilets
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"you only get good away crowds to CCM and newcastle, and they are only a few hours away, pretty much any club would get huge away support if they had clubs only 2 hours away, you shouldnt use these to argue you have the best away support.Melbourne got 400 to sydney, 500 to adelaide (and 1800 to adelaide in a semi final)
those trips are about 10 and 7 hours by car"
 

Home Averages:

1. Melbourne Victory: 27,728 (31,374)
2. Queensland Roar: 16,459
3. Sydney FC: 14,999 (15,554)
4. Adelaide United: 12,125 (12,519)
5. Newcastle United Jets: 11,442 (12,614)
6. Central Coast Mariners: 9,828
7. Perth Glory: 7,671
8. New Zealand Knights: 3,082

(Figures including finals in brackets)

Away Averages:

1. Sydney FC: 19,688 (20,076)
2. Adelaide United: 13,722 (20,006)
3. Central Coast Mariners: 12,908
4. Perth Glory: 11,899
5. Queensland Roar: 11,739
6. Newcastle United Jets: 11,208 (12,169)
7. New Zealand Knights: 11,006
8. Melbourne Victory: 10,989 (11,406)

That's right, your away support is DEAD LAST in the WHOLE league including NZ. This is a completely reliable site by the way, if you don't agree add up the figures yourself. Sure, your home support is good, congradulations, its a good advertisement for the league. But my point was that Sydney is more important to the league as a whole because every other team has rivalries with us and comes out in force to see us.
 
But really, I have a lot of respect for the achievements of the Victory, i admit, you were definitely the most successful team last season on and off the field, but it just seemed like everyone on the topic was pro-Melbourne anti Sydney so I had to include the opposing view. (and like you have already said, I raised some good points, while others I just raised for the sake of argument). And as for saying I win, well, that's just my style, the correct answer is that both Melbourne and Sydney are great, but different cities, and which one you prefer just depends on your personal preferences.
 
"A stands for something else as well mate but i guess you Ozzies no that only too well you see enough of them in the toilets"
 
Hmmm, this Kiwi has some really suss logic. K for Korea, J for Japan, then A for, wait, it couldn't be Australia, it must be something you see in the toilets. Yeah, that must be it. You're right.
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tintin1989 wrote:
"you only get good away crowds to CCM and newcastle, and they are only a few hours away, pretty much any club would get huge away support if they had clubs only 2 hours away, you shouldnt use these to argue you have the best away support.Melbourne got 400 to sydney, 500 to adelaide (and 1800 to adelaide in a semi final)
those trips are about 10 and 7 hours by car"
 

Home Averages:

1. Melbourne Victory: 27,728 (31,374)
2. Queensland Roar: 16,459
3. Sydney FC: 14,999 (15,554)
4. Adelaide United: 12,125 (12,519)
5. Newcastle United Jets: 11,442 (12,614)
6. Central Coast Mariners: 9,828
7. Perth Glory: 7,671
8. New Zealand Knights: 3,082

(Figures including finals in brackets)

Away Averages:

1. Sydney FC: 19,688 (20,076)
2. Adelaide United: 13,722 (20,006)
3. Central Coast Mariners: 12,908
4. Perth Glory: 11,899
5. Queensland Roar: 11,739
6. Newcastle United Jets: 11,208 (12,169)
7. New Zealand Knights: 11,006
8. Melbourne Victory: 10,989 (11,406)

That's right, your away support is DEAD LAST in the WHOLE league including NZ. This is a completely reliable site by the way, if you don't agree add up the figures yourself. Sure, your home support is good, congradulations, its a good advertisement for the league. But my point was that Sydney is more important to the league as a whole because every other team has rivalries with us and comes out in force to see us.
 
But really, I have a lot of respect for the achievements of the Victory, i admit, you were definitely the most successful team last season on and off the field, but it just seemed like everyone on the topic was pro-Melbourne anti Sydney so I had to include the opposing view. (and like you have already said, I raised some good points, while others I just raised for the sake of argument). And as for saying I win, well, that's just my style, the correct answer is that both Melbourne and Sydney are great, but different cities, and which one you prefer just depends on your personal preferences.
 


Ok, i  think we were on different wavelengths. When i was talking about away support i was meaning the amount of fans sydney fc took to away matches, where as it appears you were talking about opposition crowds against sydney fc. easy mix up.

you are correct that we have the lowest away crowd average, however i think that those fiqures are very misleading. This is plainly because melbourne cannot play itself, so whilst other teams get to put play infront of the huge away crowds at the dome, melbourne doesnt play any away games that are anywhere near what the dome can attract.

you will note that the table (which i am sure is very accurate, i use that site every now and again) has sydney and adelaide as teh top 2 for away gate averages, its no coincidence that these are melbournes 2 biggest rivals who we have gotten the biggest crowds against, if you discount the finals for adelaide then it is sydney who is the out and out leader, however this this is prob because of melbournes 2 biggest rivals, you are the only team to have played melbourne at the Dome 2 times this year. CCM is third and interestingly we also got  a large crowd against them.

I am sure a more accurate reprecentation of how important different teams are to the league (maybe measureing the increase in % of the crowds, rather than the number) would see melbourne in second place behind sydney (yes i do think you would be in first place, but not by much)

however aside from all this i just cant see how your supporters can claim you are the biggest team in the league (and many do) if you do not have the biggest home crowds, do not have the most travelling supporters and as yet havent won the most trophies. therfore you are niether the most succesfull club (you are in terms of aussie teams in asia) nor the club with the biggest support. i really think we need to wait a couple of years till we see which clubs are the biggest, though i am sure it will prob end up being melbourne, sydney and brisbane as the top 3 (in no particular order)

btw as much as i hate you guys i reall yhope you get thinsgs sorted this year. we need the league to be a success


almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Noogie and Tintin - do either of you have girlfriends?
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They'll be fighting the same fight on SFCU and the Tardboard as well...

How's my driving? - Whine here

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sizzla wrote:
Noogie and Tintin - do either of you have girlfriends?


Nah - they're married.
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"Noogie and Tintin - do either of you have girlfriends?"
 
Yes, a fellow football fan,  and she looks very pretty in a Sydney FC shirt.
 
Why do you ask?
 
And why do you think I'm married Zephyr?
 
Congradulations on becoming "senior member BTW!!! :)
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tintin1989 wrote:
"Noogie and Tintin - do either of you have girlfriends?"
 
Yes, a fellow football fan,  and she looks very pretty in a Sydney FC shirt.
 
Why do you ask?
 
And why do you think I'm married Zephyr?
 
Congradulations on becoming "senior member BTW!!! :)


I don't think I could explain in terms simple enough for you to follow.

Oh and thanks.
Zephyr2007-04-08 21:23:16
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"I don't think I could explain in terms simple enough for you to follow."
 
In other words you had no real reason for the comment and avoided answering it in a very sophisticated manner.
 
But not clever enough, my friend, I see right through your feeble tricks!
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Want to welcome Wellington Pheonix to the A-League from Sydney.
Am hopeing to make at least 1 organised away trip to NZ for V3.

When you play the Tards make sure you humiliate them nice and proper.
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Quite a few of us Roar Fans are looking to make teh trip to Wellington this season - looking forward to getting the draw!!!
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Hard News is probably (and sadly) right about the strip. If they were to go with something similar to his template then I hope it's the white and not the black one.  I guess if you extend the rebirth theme a little they may ditch the predominantly black strip anyway.

On the theme of stripes or hoops (which I'd like to see) Reebok did do a pinstripe away kit for Bolton last season so it is just possible that that may rear its ugly head.

Or...we could end up with a replica of the Man City 3rd strip launched for the 2005-06 season.
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would like to welcome Wellington to the A-league.
I really hope you do well this season, I would like to see all 8 teams competing this year.