Thought id throw this one out there, Daniel used to be something of a Phoenix hero or perhaps held cult status, now he is strugling for form and a starting spot, maybe he is best remembered as an enigma.......
Would you resign him or look for new talent? id think he'd be on a fair amount???
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Not voting, we are not even halfway through the season!!
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I said yes, not on current form, but we know what he's capable of
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I dont want any other team having him!!! voted yes for that reason
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its relevent though hepititis as other clubs can approach him now so managements hand could be forced into making a decision sooner rather than later
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I'd keep him. You could do a whole lot worse than him. As the old cliche goes form is tempoary class is permanent (Mario Jardel might be the exception to the rule here). When he's back on form we'll wonder how we ever thought of letting him go.
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yes.
I think the Nix might have tabled a two yr contract
He's a legend
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I dont want any other team having him!!! voted yes for that reason
Great point. When a decision is being made about letting a player go the question should be asked "would we rather he play for us or against us?" If the answer is we don't want him coming at us and causing strife then it's an argument for keeping him. That is unless he leaves the A-League altogether
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its relevent though hepititis as other clubs can approach him now so managements hand could be forced into making a decision sooner rather than later
Fair enough, I just get a bit frustrated, seems to me that if someone has a bad day at the office that we immediately start questioning their future. r.
I would keep him, he is as good as any, and on his day is top drawer
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You mean re-sign? When I answered the question, I wondered why you were asking whether Daniel was going to resign from the Nix and said no. D'oh... I should have read the comments first and picked up that you mean the opposite, in which case I would have either said yes or trust Ricki.
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re-signed, fer sure! he'd be one of the better import players in the league, was last year, just hasn't really fired this year!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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He's properly dedicated and likes New Zealand. Good for us and him.
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He is a legend as Feverish said. not only for the game in this country but for the community.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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I think one of Daniels problems this is the style of play we are using this year doesn't suit him. Last year we were much more fluid on attack.....the ball was played along the deck more and there was much more interpassing at pace. This year we have seen a lot of long ball stuff. The midfield lacks creativity...we often get bogged down passing the ball across the park. End result bugger all goals from open play. Last year we were near tops in goals scored 2/3rds of the way into the season.
I think he has misses Felipe plus Lockhead hasn't been in great form. Those three were a pleasure to watch last year.....some of their interplay was fantastic.
This may be coming out of left field a bit but I would like to see him tried upfront with Smeltz. We know he can shoot, he heads well and has good close ball control. It might free Smeltz up a bit if defenses have to worry about Daniel as well. He would pose more of a goal scoring threat than Coveny.
Any thoughts anyone?
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sign Smelz, Daniel, Moss. that's core of a decent team
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Too much long ball for Daniel so far this season. I wonder how the team would go with a short passing game. Seems a lot of 40 yard passing going on.
Keep the Legend, he will come right.
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If he isnt resigned then..... well.... itd suck!
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I think one of Daniels problems this is the style of play we are using this year doesn't suit him. Last year we were much more fluid on attack.....the ball was played along the deck more and there was much more interpassing at pace. This year we have seen a lot of long ball stuff. The midfield lacks creativity...we often get bogged down passing the ball across the park. End result bugger all goals from open play. Last year we were near tops in goals scored 2/3rds of the way into the season.
I think he has misses Felipe plus Lockhead hasn't been in great form. Those three were a pleasure to watch last year.....some of their interplay was fantastic.
This may be coming out of left field a bit but I would like to see him tried upfront with Smeltz. We know he can shoot, he heads well and has good close ball control. It might free Smeltz up a bit if defenses have to worry about Daniel as well. He would pose more of a goal scoring threat than Coveny.
Any thoughts anyone?
He heads well? He can shoot?
Agree with everything else though.
a.haak
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My opinion (which counts for little) of Daniel has really turned over the course of this season. I think he's been figured out by opponents and as other people have said our style is largely bypassing him. 'Anglo Saxon' grit seems to be holding sway over 'continental' flair at the moment (apologies for my eurocentric language).
Saying that, he's probably ok as an impact player off the bench when he refinds his flair.
Saying that, he's probably ok as an impact player off the bench when he refinds his flair.
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Apart from his loss of form early in the season which will return. He has been a great ambassador for the club off the field ( photos to prove it) and has passion for the game. Class is forever.
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Last year he was one of the few players that the aussie media really got excited about. He hasn't linked as well without Felipe, that's for sure (I remember the Adelaide game the night before Beckham where him and Felipe were at the heart of everything, an unbelievable performance which was ultimately fruitless).
But he is genuine quality, plus technically he is excellent. The league will over time reward technical players as the quality improves, at the moment physicality seems to be doing fairly well. He will play a big part this year for sure.
Normo's coming home
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This may be coming out of left field a bit
Intentional pun?
I think Daniel needs to be resigned but hopefully he won't get paid as much as I suspect he currently is getting paid.
As has been mentioned, when he finds form he is brilliant and when he's out of form he is still a good ambassador for the Phoenix and football in NZ.
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Oops I thought you meant resign too, rather than re-sign.
Absolutely he should be kept around.
Absolutely he should be kept around.
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i dont think there's much, if anything, wrong with his form. he was one of the better players in the first few rounds. he's clearly out of favour with Herbert though. Still dont understand why Kwasnik is starting ahead of him.
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Yeah....we are playing what I call "muscle" football. Retain possession, play it square or back, slow buildup and get players defending in numbers and mix it up with a few long balls. As others have pointed out it does not suit Daniel. Probably not Gao either. I also think super Leo is struggling to adapt too.
Not pretty but we are now more solid and competing more than early season. I think we are on track for 6th this season.
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NO WAY !!! We need him... I dont even understand why Ricki keeps him on the bench!!!
Rather then letting him go, he himself will leave if he doesnt get to play !!
Rather then letting him go, he himself will leave if he doesnt get to play !!
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If I recall correctly he was also the only Nix player in 442's V3 dream team. I also cannot believe that no one has mentioned that if we don't keep him our chances of having him in the All Whites are out the window.
He's a team talisman, won some award for his community work last year, has been qouted saying "I am a Kiwi now" and there is no real evidence to suggest he's out of form.
He's a team talisman, won some award for his community work last year, has been qouted saying "I am a Kiwi now" and there is no real evidence to suggest he's out of form.
You know we belong together...
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i dont think there's much, if anything, wrong with his form. he was one of the better players in the first few rounds. he's clearly out of favour with Herbert though. Still dont understand why Kwasnik is starting ahead of him.
Totally agree, we are sorely missing Daniel's creativity at the moment.
He might not have been perfect on Monday night, but he was keener than most of the other players in the park.
I love the way he's officially left wing, but turns up everywhere!
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i dont think there's much, if anything, wrong with his form. he was one of the better players in the first few rounds. he's clearly out of favour with Herbert though. Still dont understand why Kwasnik is starting ahead of him.
Totally agree, we are sorely missing Daniel's creativity at the moment.
He might not have been perfect on Monday night, but he was keener than most of the other players in the park.
I love the way he's officially left wing, but turns up everywhere!
'Hear hear' from me too. Sure, he does have a tendency to get caught in possession and collapse in a girly heap but he makes things happen. His form is so much better than Kwasnik's that I just can't get my head around why Ricki's not starting him. Our one tiny period of geniune pressure near the end against Newcastle coincided with Daniel being on the pitch making some good runs.
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[QUOTE=zinidane]Yeah....we are playing what I call "muscle" football. Retain possession, play it square or back, slow buildup and get players defending in numbers and mix it up with a few long balls. As others have pointed out it does not suit Daniel. Probably not Gao either. I also think super Leo is struggling to adapt too.
Not sure about how Daniel fits there. I actually think he often slows down potential attacking moves, by stopping the ball where he could actually penetrate through an opposition midfield. He has the talent to do that, but often slows the attack down, giving the opposition time to re-group. It can be quite frustrating to watch.
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No, what's frustrating to watch is that at the moment we don't HAVE an attack worth diddly! How can Daniel be slowing the attack down when it has no speed or impetus anyway? (Smeltz honourably excluded).
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he just seems to have started doing it more this year, whereas last year i thought he was taking players on a lot more easily.
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definitely should be re signed!!!!! Awesome player and ex Botafogo player, that means a lot to me!!
Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.
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from what you read in the press, it seems he wants to stay. hopefully he demonstrates more of the form that he brought with him. i do think he's gone off the boil, whether because of team structure reasons or personal form.
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No, he doesnt get played enough and we already have enough wingers... Daniel is a good player but when it comes down to it id rather have one of the kiwis over him - bertos or costa - develop the game locally
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No, he doesnt get played enough and we already have enough wingers... Daniel is a good player but when it comes down to it id rather have one of the kiwis over him - bertos or costa - develop the game locally
don't agree, he's basically a kiwi now anyway, (poor sod), and can add magic to our game.
ForteanTimes2008-10-11 09:18:11
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that develop the game locally stuff is utter crap, just no logic behind that what-so-ever. i don't see how we develop the game if we have the whole squad made up of kiwi's where only like 6 are A-league quality and subsequently lose every game.
but back on topic!!
but back on topic!!
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