i must say today i am feeling very sad for the attacking 1/3
in our camp..the likes of elrich smeltz felipe and daniel are
playing out of there skin to create oppurtunities and are doing a
massively good job only to be undermined by an unorganized defense
that not only doesnt stop the attack,but even gifts them
goals,ricki please do something!!!and dont take anything away from
glen moss either the poor bastards got a hell of a workload behind
our backs at the moment...sorry to be negative COME ON PHOENIX
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He could help them out by actually getting off his line to claim
the through balls that go right into his penalty area and grabbing
the balls that are being played header tennis with in front
of his six yard box.
But yeh, unfortunately they don't have any alternative players
in their squad, the squad is badly balanced now that it seems
Cleberson isn't living up to expectations.
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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I wouldn't say o'Dor is living up to expectations after yesterday's game...had a foot in both blunders
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i don't like Christie always passes to the other team
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hardly true the attack was good yesterday but they didn't take any
chances they created (bar elrichs shot)
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I'm sorry, but that is garbage. I don't remeber much of
yesterdays game (beer is the panacea for all ills) but I watched
the first 60 minutes or more on the replay last night and Christie
put in some excellent attacking moves and linked well with others
as well as defending well on the side that fell apart last time we
played the Mariners and last week against Newcastle.
To suddenly make him the pariah for defensive frailties is rubbish. Both those goals were caused by errors way before he tried to recover them.
To suddenly make him the pariah for defensive frailties is rubbish. Both those goals were caused by errors way before he tried to recover them.
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I'm sorry, but that is garbage. I don't remeber much of
yesterdays game (beer is the panacea for all ills) but I watched
the first 60 minutes or more on the replay last night and Christie
put in some excellent attacking moves and linked well with others
as well as defending well on the side that fell apart last time we
played the Mariners and last week against Newcastle.
To suddenly make him the pariah for defensive frailties is rubbish. Both those goals were caused by errors way before he tried to recover them.
To suddenly make him the pariah for defensive frailties is rubbish. Both those goals were caused by errors way before he tried to recover them.
Mr HN Ive seen milk turn quicker than Christie, He might be a good midfielder but a right back he aint.
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..
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I'm sorry, but that is
garbage.� I don't
remeber much of yesterdays game (beer is the panacea for all ills)
but I watched the first 60 minutes or more on the replay last night
and Christie put in some excellent attacking moves and linked well
with others as well as defending well on the side that fell apart
last time we played the Mariners and last week against Newcastle.To
suddenly make him the pariah for defensive frailties is
rubbish.� Both those
goals were caused by errors way before he tried to recover
them.
Mr HN� Ive seen milk turn quicker than Christie, He might be a good midfielder but a right back he aint.
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No
doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the
almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..
If someone had told me I'd be defending Plodder 3-4 months ago I would have laughed my arse off...but here goes.
Out of all the players tried in the right back position this season, Plodder has easily been the pick. His defensive work has been pretty good overall, and he looks to push forward and link up in attacking moves. Does he make mistakes? Of course, everyone does. That infamous back pass from yesterday is surely haunting him more than any of us. But his overall work at the back throughout the season has been good, and it's a knee jerk reaction to call for his head now.el grapadura2007-10-22 20:13:58
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Plodder was good on Sunday, I thought - apart from the obvious
blunder that cost us the game..
His major weakness is his speed - players run around him way too easily.
His major weakness is his speed - players run around him way too easily.
a.haak
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Yeah plodder did make a vital headed cleareance early on (just as
the ball was travelling into the net)
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yeh I agree too, Plodder is holding his own. Its centre backs where
we need experience.... and maybe a marker, sweeper system, although
I dunno who would do the sweeper job, no-one we have seems
suitable.
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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Mr HN Ive seen milk turn quicker than Christie, He might be a
good midfielder but a right back he aint.
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..
As I was involved in christening him with the unflattering nickname Plodder 7 years ago I think we can pretty much ignore your point.
Thanks for playing though.
Hard News2007-10-22 21:56:47
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Its painfully obvious that we need a right back and a central
defender with some speed and positional nous Cleberson might be a
nice guy but he does not cut the mustard in this league however as
we know football is a very simple game all you have to do is score
more goals than the opposition and in our situation we are not
converting enough chances into goals therefore putting more
pressure on the defence .
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Mr HN Ive seen milk turn quicker than Christie, He might be a
good midfielder but a right back he aint.
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..
As I was involved in christening him with the unflattering nickname Plodder 7 years ago I think we can pretty much ignore your point.
Thanks for playing though.
I should have known you would have christened him your holiness.
I also dont think he's a right back, Why not try something out of left field and put young Barbarouses back there, he has speed, can pass and has heaps of enthusiasm. bet he's as good as they have tried and could even be better. (no doubt HN would have suggested this weeks ago somewhere in the forum.)
villageboy2007-10-22 22:18:36
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Yup chuck a young inexperienced striker at RB. Sounds like a good
plan to me.
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Yup chuck a young inexperienced striker at RB. Sounds like a good
plan to me.
And the worst thing that can happen is???
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A display like O'Dors at Central Coast ?
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Can the kid tackle??? if so has he not got the speed we are lacking
or do we keep trying guys like Clebo and plodder. And what a bonus
he can attack from the back .
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He's an attacking left sided (mostly) player. One of the most
naturally skilled attacking players of his age in the country, why
would you try and make him a right back ?
Just bizarre.
Just bizarre.
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Is he going to get many games as an attacker?? Give it
a try if it doesnt work put the carthorses back on but hey dont
knock it till you try it.
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Mr HN Ive seen milk turn quicker than Christie, He might be a
good midfielder but a right back he aint.
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..[/QUOTE]
As I was involved in christening him with the unflattering nickname Plodder 7 years ago I think we can pretty much ignore your point.
Thanks for playing though.
The guy is too slow and his distribution is a case of hit and miss. No doubt Ill be rubbished by you for saying this as you seem to be the almighty power around here as well as the head of the christie cheerleaders..[/QUOTE]
As I was involved in christening him with the unflattering nickname Plodder 7 years ago I think we can pretty much ignore your point.
Thanks for playing though.
I should have known you would have christened him your holiness.
I also dont think he's a right back, Why not try something out of left field and put young Barbarouses back there, he has speed, can pass and has heaps of enthusiasm. bet he's as good as they have tried and could even be better. (no doubt HN would have suggested this weeks ago somewhere in the forum.)
Please tell me you're taking the piss.
[QUOTE=villageboy]Is he going to get many games as an attacker?? Give it a try if it doesnt work put the carthorses back on but hey dont knock it till you try it.
Thank god you're not coach. If you were players would be changing position every match because you 'can't knock it till you try it'
valeo2007-10-23 00:23:26
a.haak
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why not add some experiance at RB and play Aloissi or Jonhson
there
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Do we play too much of a pressing defence? I do notice at times our
defenders pressing up to players on the ball and leaving space to
exploit behind them.
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Do we play too much of a pressing defence? I do notice at times our
defenders pressing up to players on the ball and leaving space to
exploit behind them.
that is a good point that you bring up.....I noticed that in
the last 10-20 mins that with lochead & plodder going foward it
really opened up attacking options forCCM especially having players
like Elrich & Lia not being match fit & not being able to
get back to help defend.
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Can the kid tackle??? if so has he not got the speed we are lacking
or do we keep trying guys like Clebo and plodder. And what a bonus
he can attack from the back .
He can't tackle particularly well if his Team Wellington
perfomances were a guide. He is an exciting attacking player, but
has no apparent defensive merits.
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Is he going to get many games as an attacker?? Give it
a try if it doesnt work put the carthorses back on but hey dont
knock it till you try it.
Erm, that could also be used as an argument to play Paston at
right back 
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For god sake just dont put the Christie kid back in midfield
tho. His ball distribution was shocking when he played
there.
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To suddenly make him the pariah for defensive frailties is rubbish. Both those goals were caused by errors way before he tried to recover them.
He completely muffed the 2nd goal. All he had to do was clear the ball. What game were you watching?
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Yes he did, but why was he the last man on the left hand side of
the defence when he's the right back ?
That attack had come through our midfield and both our centre backs before Plodder was wrong footed and mish*t it. Yes he made an error but the questions need to be asked of the other 9 players before that point.
That attack had come through our midfield and both our centre backs before Plodder was wrong footed and mish*t it. Yes he made an error but the questions need to be asked of the other 9 players before that point.
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I was thinking about this yesterday and thought Johnson could
probably do a good job at center back. He's big, fast enough
and doesn't mind the physical stuff. His forms good
too, I viewed him as player of the match against the Roar
mainly for his defensive efforts.
Christie hasn't been as bad as you guys are making him out to
be. Everyone's just getting into him for Sundays goal,
which will hopefully be the biggest blunder of his career, so
we don't have to worry about that happening again. If
we were to replace him, could Ferenate do the job, atleast he won't
be getting in many shooting positions at the back.
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We are defenisly retarted. But get behind the lads when the
chips are down.
I say tackle him in the face.
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If we were to replace him, could Ferenate do the job, atleast
he won't be getting in many shooting positions at the
back.
The good news is that if Ferrante was faced with an open defensive goal there is no way he would put it in our own net.
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It's just like watching Spurs.
Any of their defenders could play for the Phoenix and do no
better than our lot. You could swap Michael Dawson's perfomance for
that of O'Dor.
Not a happy time for a Nix and Spurs fan.
Mind you, I think Ricki is safer in his job that Jol....
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Admittedly our defence is a concern, but lets face facts - an
effective defence needs time to build and get used to each other -
it also needs the four players not to go missing at crucial points
ina game - working as a unit is the key. At this point I simply
don't see the four at the back working together its all one off
stuff. Besides that we play well - just need to make sure of our
chances, smetlz in particular needs to quit looking to make his
shots easy when in fornt of goal and let the shot rip earlier!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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As the squad is full we obviously can't recruit any experianced
defenders until next season. There has been talk about getting
Aloisi's bro as a guest for seven games. I think every Phoenix
supporter would settle for an experianced hardnut central defender
or rightback.
The big problem that Rickie has had that in recruiting
Cleberson he thought(rightly enough) that he was getting an older
experianced(played Dutch 1st division with PS eindhoven) centreback
who he could base his defence around. Unfortunately this has not
happened. So we are left with a couple of youngsters in O'dor and
Old, who are good but still learning.
But the biggest mistake was not recruiting a good
rightback.
I think they should be much more conservative in away games.
0-0 away is O.K by me. Pack the defense and maybe even
play Aloisi as a sweeper.
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an effective defence needs time to build and get used to each other
- working as a unit is the key.
Sometimes I get the impression that the players don't trust one another in defense and leave their zones or markers to 'help out' others. O'Dor was guilty of this in the first half and left a CCM player wide open. This trust takes time to develop, but as we are conceding so many goals it makes it hard to build trust in the defense.
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As the squad is full we obviously can't recruit any experianced
defenders until next season. There has been talk about getting
Aloisi's bro as a guest for seven games. I think every Phoenix
supporter would settle for an experianced hardnut central defender
or rightback.
The big problem that Rickie has had that in recruiting
Cleberson he thought(rightly enough) that he was getting an older
experianced(played Dutch 1st division with PS eindhoven) centreback
who he could base his defence around. Unfortunately this has not
happened. So we are left with a couple of youngsters in O'dor and
Old, who are good but still learning.
But the biggest mistake was not recruiting a good
rightback.
I think they should be much more conservative in away games.
0-0 away is O.K by me. Pack the defense and maybe even
play Aloisi as a sweeper.
So being conservative (which I think we have been) away from
home is going to fix the home defeats? The problems are happening
home or away, it is more a structural/system problem within the
team, home or away. A better method is to either change
personnel or change the structure/system. This is where the coach
earns his money and I am sure Ricki and the coaching staff wil be
working very hard on this. Options in terms of personnel are
limited, so the obvous answer is change the structure. To me a
major part of the problem is communication. because the 'Nix are a
new side the instinctive things aren't quite there yet, and
pressure to perform is amplifying this. I feel the key to the
whole issue is to change the 'keeper only at this stage and work
harder on defining the roles of the back 4 and the defensive
midfielders, then work even harder on there communication in
defensive situations. As Ross Aloisi said in his interview last
week the 'Nix are not far away from getting it right. Elrich,
Felipe, Daniel, Smeltz & Lia all firing at the same time
will tear any team apart in this league. just stop conceding soft
goals and we are away.
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
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