WPM 2023/24 Squad Speculation, Confirmation and Mutual Termination

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Looking at the lineup today...

I love Ball but imagine how much more dangerous we'd be with another import AM.  For me he's not "enough" to hold an import spot (ive said this before). 

WSW and the melbourne teams seem to find good ones okay! 


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even with a big offer to barbarouses surely there is still enough in the cap to give zawada a good offer. Besides barba payne rufer and kraev maybe even wooten the rest of the squad would be on barely any $ especially considering how many youngsters are on the senior roster. You'd think ball might retire as well
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Be good to get an update from the Nix, on how far away Ball is from becoming a 'local' rather than taking up a visa spot. Read somewhere that the Nix wage bill this season is $1M less than last season. Which might explain Dome's statement that on a 9K crowd, the club break even on game day. Think it was 9K rather than the always quoted 10K of previous seasons. 

Some large crowds to finish regular season (is a game at Eden Park against SFC in March that could bea bumper) plus at least 1 home playoff game - might yes give Welnix enough cash to try keep Zawada. Plus transfer fee offers could come in for at least 2 or 3 of Paulsen, Surman, Payne, Rufer & Old. Look how CCM cashed in last off season, after their unexpected title success in 22/23. 

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The salary floor is only 350k lower than the cap and we'd be above the floor. Be very surprised if the wage bill was a million down, that would mean we'd have been spending at least 600k outside of the cap on players like Ugarkovic and Sail.. Doesn't seem likely.

The outs were significant, and the squad is definitely quite a lot cheaper, but I'd imagine we've retained the most expensive players in Zawada and Kraev so I'd be surprised if the overall squad spend is a million down.
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All the comments about crowds covering wages is all well and good, but how do the club cover travel costs? I’m guessing a good 25 people travel each game. That’s flights, accommodation, food etc. It must be astronomical. Is this covered by the league or something?
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All the comments about crowds covering wages is all well and good, but how do the club cover travel costs? I’m guessing a good 25 people travel each game. That’s flights, accommodation, food etc. It must be astronomical. Is this covered by the league or something?
The team has said in the past that the league covers cost to primary cities but the Phoenix have to cover costs to secondary, makes it harder to have games outside of Auckland, Wellington, or Christchurch without having the local council underwrite them.
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The salary floor is only 350k lower than the cap and we'd be above the floor. Be very surprised if the wage bill was a million down, that would mean we'd have been spending at least 600k outside of the cap on players like Ugarkovic and Sail.. Doesn't seem likely.

The outs were significant, and the squad is definitely quite a lot cheaper, but I'd imagine we've retained the most expensive players in Zawada and Kraev so I'd be surprised if the overall squad spend is a million down.


https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350168306/wellington-phoenix-say-sky-stadium-sell-out-would-fund-club-year

The Phoenix made a profit for the first time in two years when a 9000-strong crowd showed up to watch their last home game against Melbourne Victory, which was a top of the table clash.

“The difference between a 5000 and 9000 crowd on the bottom line is huge,” Dome said.

“It does allow us to re-sign players or sign players that are high quality, and that's what the owners are after.”

The Phoenix did not make any notable signings ahead what felt like a rebuilding year under a new coach, focussing most of their recruiting efforts on academy players after
slashing their player budget by $1 million from the previous year.
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Surprising that those players cost that much. I'm mindful that this is the same organisation who has said Zawada is out for a month when the Phoenix haven't even got scans back yet, but I'll take it on face value.

We must have paid over for Ugarkovic and maybe Sasse was marquee, I can't imagine Lewis, who we brought in as a semi pro, or Sail were that expensive.
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Surprising that those players cost that much. I'm mindful that this is the same organisation who has said Zawada is out for a month when the Phoenix haven't even got scans back yet, but I'll take it on face value.

We must have paid over for Ugarkovic and maybe Sasse was marquee, I can't imagine Lewis, who we brought in as a semi pro, or Sail were that expensive.

Sail & Lewis would have been on okay coin, I'm guessing when they penned their last Nix contracts they were established AWs. And they have basically been replaced by cheapest journeyman Aussies in Duncan & Al-Taay. Conchie in for Urgarkovic. Josh Laws had 3 seasons at the Nix, so likely got upgraded at some point?? Don't think Domey is telling porkies.

Apart from Duncan, Al-Taay & now Salas (loan deal) all the new signings this season were cheap Weenix kids. Hence cue all the angst in pre season that Chiefy had signed absolutely no one, and the Nix were set for a lower table finish. How wrong was that cloud of gloom.
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That million dollar figure wasn't a quote though, it was next to quotes but didn't have quotation marks.

Think these numbers are also pre Salas, Salas said in the press that he's getting a pay increase coming here but money isn't the motivator.
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They will have to increase the wages of a number of those young players too won’t they? 
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Urgarkovic would have been on quite a wedge. Above average Australian midfielder. We would have paid a premium to get him over here. Wouldn't suprise me if it was around 500k.
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Urgarkovic would have been on quite a wedge. Above average Australian midfielder. We would have paid a premium to get him over here. Wouldn't suprise me if it was around 500k.

He would have been in one of the designated player slots (a contract of 300k-600k, excluded from the cap).

Sail was around for so long, he probably had half his wages eligible to be excluded from the cap.

The owners went all in for Uffie's final season.
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What are the club roster guidelines?


For Isuzu UTE A-League clubs, there are a number of factors to consider when targeting a player for recruitment. 


A club’s roster must consist of:

  • A minimum 18 players and a maximum 23 players
  • Within the 18-23 players that must be signed, clubs must have a minimum of two goalkeepers and a maximum of five foreign players
  • This doesn’t include scholarship players of which clubs can sign 16

If your club is competing in the Asian Champions League, additional players can be contracted – but they are only eligible to participate in the ACL.


But some players are exempt from the cap…


Of the 18-23 players registered at each club, some may fall into certain categories making them exempt from the salary cap – meaning clubs do not have to include said player’s salary inside the set floor and ceiling of the cap.


The exemptions apply to:


MARQUEE PLAYERS:
Each club can sign a maximum of two marquee players who are fully exempt from the cap.


GUEST PLAYER:
Each club can sign one guest player who is fully exempt from the salary cap, and is only eligible for circa half the season but who must meet strict eligibility requirements.


DESIGNATED PLAYERS:
ALM clubs are now able to sign two ‘designated players’ who must earn a salary between $300,000 and $600,000, and are also exempt from the salary cap. 


HOMEGROWN PLAYERS:
Each club can have up to four ‘homegrown players’ fully exempt from the salary cap. However, these players must be Australian and aged under 23 that have come through the club’s youth system.


LOYALTY PLAYERS:
Each club can have an unlimited number of loyalty players, who based on the number of consecutive seasons of service, may have a slice of their salary excluded from the cap up to a maximum of 50%. Players who are eligible for that maximum must have played 10 or more consecutive seasons at the club.

https://aleagues.com.au/news/new-rules-bolster-clubs-firepower-in-hunt-to-sign-top-talent/
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Be good to get an update from the Nix, on how far away Ball is from becoming a 'local' rather than taking up a visa spot. Read somewhere that the Nix wage bill this season is $1M less than last season. Which might explain Dome's statement that on a 9K crowd, the club break even on game day. Think it was 9K rather than the always quoted 10K of previous seasons. 

Some large crowds to finish regular season (is a game at Eden Park against SFC in March that could bea bumper) plus at least 1 home playoff game - might yes give Welnix enough cash to try keep Zawada. Plus transfer fee offers could come in for at least 2 or 3 of Paulsen, Surman, Payne, Rufer & Old. Look how CCM cashed in last off season, after their unexpected title success in 22/23. 


Unfortunately the League takes all the cash for the finals matches
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coochiee
Be good to get an update from the Nix, on how far away Ball is from becoming a 'local' rather than taking up a visa spot. Read somewhere that the Nix wage bill this season is $1M less than last season. Which might explain Dome's statement that on a 9K crowd, the club break even on game day. Think it was 9K rather than the always quoted 10K of previous seasons. 

Some large crowds to finish regular season (is a game at Eden Park against SFC in March that could bea bumper) plus at least 1 home playoff game - might yes give Welnix enough cash to try keep Zawada. Plus transfer fee offers could come in for at least 2 or 3 of Paulsen, Surman, Payne, Rufer & Old. Look how CCM cashed in last off season, after their unexpected title success in 22/23. 


Unfortunately the League takes all the cash for the finals matches

Thought that changed when the APL took over? 
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Urgarkovic would have been on quite a wedge. Above average Australian midfielder. We would have paid a premium to get him over here. Wouldn't suprise me if it was around 500k.

He would have been in one of the designated player slots (a contract of 300k-600k, excluded from the cap).

Sail was around for so long, he probably had half his wages eligible to be excluded from the cap.

The owners went all in for Uffie's final season.
wonder if the budget would have been reduced as drastically if Uffie stayed or if they thought they'd go cheap in Chiefs first season as he developed and saved for another big push when he was ready.
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They will have to increase the wages of a number of those young players too won’t they? 

not while they are under 23. I think thats the youth cut off age?  maybe the players will want a professional full time contract but that will be up the negotiation team to work out.
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coochiee
Be good to get an update from the Nix, on how far away Ball is from becoming a 'local' rather than taking up a visa spot. Read somewhere that the Nix wage bill this season is $1M less than last season. Which might explain Dome's statement that on a 9K crowd, the club break even on game day. Think it was 9K rather than the always quoted 10K of previous seasons. 

Some large crowds to finish regular season (is a game at Eden Park against SFC in March that could bea bumper) plus at least 1 home playoff game - might yes give Welnix enough cash to try keep Zawada. Plus transfer fee offers could come in for at least 2 or 3 of Paulsen, Surman, Payne, Rufer & Old. Look how CCM cashed in last off season, after their unexpected title success in 22/23. 


Unfortunately the League takes all the cash for the finals matches

Thought that changed when the APL took over? 
 
I thought it had changed before APL took over…it certainly was a bugbear.
LG
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With reference to Kenny Cunningham, Some liked him, some were not so keen but you all have to admit, he had the very best "player song" to come out of the Fever "Here's to you Kenny Cunningham, the Fever loves you more than you will know a wow wow wow...." 
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coochiee
Be good to get an update from the Nix, on how far away Ball is from becoming a 'local' rather than taking up a visa spot. Read somewhere that the Nix wage bill this season is $1M less than last season. Which might explain Dome's statement that on a 9K crowd, the club break even on game day. Think it was 9K rather than the always quoted 10K of previous seasons. 

Some large crowds to finish regular season (is a game at Eden Park against SFC in March that could bea bumper) plus at least 1 home playoff game - might yes give Welnix enough cash to try keep Zawada. Plus transfer fee offers could come in for at least 2 or 3 of Paulsen, Surman, Payne, Rufer & Old. Look how CCM cashed in last off season, after their unexpected title success in 22/23. 


Unfortunately the League takes all the cash for the finals matches

Thought that changed when the APL took over? 
 Dome said they don't get anything in one of his recent interviews about crowd numbers
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With reference to Kenny Cunningham, Some liked him, some were not so keen but you all have to admit, he had the very best "player song" to come out of the Fever "Here's to you Kenny Cunningham, the Fever loves you more than you will know a wow wow wow...." 
nah, Brockie had the best chant
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Speaking of chants, is there a location of the current ones?

Really need to brush up on them.
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Speaking of chants, is there a location of the current ones?

Really need to brush up on them.
WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
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Bananas
Speaking of chants, is there a location of the current ones?

Really need to brush up on them.
WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
(Repeat)


Haha I learned that one nice and quick.  And the oldies that haven't changed I still know.  Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap, phoenix hasn't changed in a decade.
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This isn't part of a wining and dining extravaganza courtesy of Steve Corica, is it?

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I mean I could understand if Perth was this weekend because (I am only guessing) they fly to Perth from Auckland but this weekend is Macarthur so...

Edit: Looking on Zawada other stories it looks like he knows others in Auckland so idk
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This isn't part of a wining and dining extravaganza courtesy of Steve Corica, is it?

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He is obviously on the Northshore looking at property for next year
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I mean I could understand if Perth was this weekend because (I am only guessing) they fly to Perth from Auckland but this weekend is Macarthur so...

Edit: Looking on Zawada other stories it looks like he knows others in Auckland so idk
cheesecake
This isn't part of a wining and dining extravaganza courtesy of Steve Corica, is it?

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Up there to see a specialist.  In other news, looks like Kraev has got himself a kiwi partner. 
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Up there to see a specialist.  In other news, looks like Kraev has got himself a kiwi partner. 

Yes there were earlier rumours that Kraev now has a local partner which made him feel more settled / at home.
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I think that will make next year interesting(but at the same time way to early to say about Salas being here or not next season)not sure if any of you had seen it but in Salas press conference today (or at least what the translator said) sorta said he would like to stay in Wellington longer like looking to get a new contract. I am not sure what is market value (if that is right) is assuming it is quite high?? 
But with knowing Zawada will most likely be going to Europe or somewhere and the club have said about might not be enough for Barbarouses and Kraev. 
I don't know maybe I am just talking rubbish just will think it will be interesting to see in terms of who stays and who goes. 
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It's all way too early to say. Salas has been in NZ 5 mins. Honeymoon phase. Has his wife/partner even arrived yet? He may be a dud (I think not), or be brilliant and then get all sorts of other offers from the ALM or elsewhere. He'll be motivated for the Nix, kiss the badge and all that, but he'll know these next few months are a great shop window for him, as a guy who's never been out of Costa Rica before.

Like a few before, once he starts visiting the brighter lights of Melbs & Sydney, and cops a few windy days in Welly - he may be looking around the league at other clubs with some interest. That's if yeah he proves a class act, and ganders some attention. All way too early to say. He & his esposa/novia may love the 04.

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Oh yeah no I totally agree way too early to say 
coochiee
It's all way too early to say. Salas has been in NZ 5 mins. Has his wife/partner even arrived yet? He may be a dud (I think not), or be brilliant and then get all sorts of other offers from the ALM or elsewhere. He'll be motivated for the Nix, kiss the badge and all that, but he'll know these next few months are a great shop window for him, as a guy who's never been out of Costa Rica before.

Like a few before, once he starts visiting the brighter lights of Melbs & Sydney, and cops a few windy days in Welly - he may be looking around the league at other clubs with some interest. That's if yeah he proves a class act, and ganders some attention. All way too early to say. He & his esposa/novia may love the 04.

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I think that will make next year interesting(but at the same time way to early to say about Salas being here or not next season)not sure if any of you had seen it but in Salas press conference today (or at least what the translator said) sorta said he would like to stay in Wellington longer like looking to get a new contract. I am not sure what is market value (if that is right) is assuming it is quite high?? 
But with knowing Zawada will most likely be going to Europe or somewhere and the club have said about might not be enough for Barbarouses and Kraev. 
I don't know maybe I am just talking rubbish just will think it will be interesting to see in terms of who stays and who goes. 

The initial reports from Costa Rica about the loan were that it included an option to buy. If true, we would have already agreed to a price, it is up to him to prove he is worth that fee.
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It's all way too early to say. Salas has been in NZ 5 mins. Honeymoon phase. Has his wife/partner even arrived yet? He may be a dud (I think not), or be brilliant and then get all sorts of other offers from the ALM or elsewhere. He'll be motivated for the Nix, kiss the badge and all that, but he'll know these next few months are a great shop window for him, as a guy who's never been out of Costa Rica before.

Like a few before, once he starts visiting the brighter lights of Melbs & Sydney, and cops a few windy days in Welly - he may be looking around the league at other clubs with some interest. That's if yeah he proves a class act, and ganders some attention. All way too early to say. He & his esposa/novia may love the 04.


Do not underestimate the importance of having Costa Rican community around, if they are looking for a longer stay away from their home country.  It would be normal to need that if they have never lived abroad.  That is much easier to find in Australia than here, all other factors being equal.
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Up there to see a specialist.  In other news, looks like Kraev has got himself a kiwi partner. 
Yep Chief said it in the press conference today that he went up to Auckland for treatment.
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Supplementary question: When the Nix choose to stay over in Oz for back to back away games (like upcoming Macarthur > Perth) - does the league cover some/all of that too? 

At the moment unique to us but suspect "NZ roadies" might be a thing for Aussie clubs once Auckland is in.
Ryan
loyalgunner
All the comments about crowds covering wages is all well and good, but how do the club cover travel costs? I’m guessing a good 25 people travel each game. That’s flights, accommodation, food etc. It must be astronomical. Is this covered by the league or something?
The team has said in the past that the league covers cost to primary cities but the Phoenix have to cover costs to secondary, makes it harder to have games outside of Auckland, Wellington, or Christchurch without having the local council underwrite them.
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Will be interesting to see how we line up when everyone is fully fit if that happens. 
Think this may be our strongest lineup. Bit harsh on Pennington and Al-Taay but maybe one of them could start ahead of Salas if he isn't the business. Maybe also could push Kraev to where Old is and use Old as an impact sub and Pennington comes into the team. 
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Legend
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If that squad was rolled out come finals, then yes I share Kung Fu Panda's optimism the team could win a title, even if the Grand Final is in Aussie. 

A bench of Hughes, Sutton, Al-Taay, Pennington, Ball, OVH - they are players who can come on and make an impact. That's not first season Weenix kids (Hughes excepted) with only 1 or 2 games like now. Though yes being completely injury free come playoffs is unlikely. But finishing top 2 and getting a rest first week of finals, could be very key, if important players have niggles.

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Will be interesting to see how we line up when everyone is fully fit if that happens. 
Think this may be our strongest lineup. Bit harsh on Pennington and Al-Taay but maybe one of them could start ahead of Salas if he isn't the business. Maybe also could push Kraev to where Old is and use Old as an impact sub and Pennington comes into the team. 

As Coochie already commented, the injuries will play their part. They will likely determine who we can field and for how long.  
The other factor is our yellow card accumulation in the runup to the final round that determines the championship and determines the finals playoffs.
I forgot by now, but are the yellow cards wiped after the end of the regular rounds, before the playoffs start?
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WPM 2023/24 Squad Speculation, Confirmation and Mutual Termination