Fark why does every game end up with us hanging on for grim death?
WPM R14 vs Perth Glory | Sat 28th Jan | 3:00pm | Trust Arena / Brew Union / Bus
Fark why does every game end up with us hanging on for grim death?
10 against 13 is tiring work.
Foul on Sail there.
But Come On Phoenix!
But Come On Phoenix!
this result moves us third, and moves Perth into 6th. so not too bad as far as effects on us are concerned.
All this, plus the inevitable scrap too
2 corners in the last minute and we decide to keep it by the flag???
well given we were against 13 I'll take that result! VAR and the ref couldnt steal the game from us.
All this, plus the inevitable scrap too
gah. bad call changed the game. but good fight (again) from the lads when going down a player.
Gotta cross that in surely they knew it was gonna be the last play
Ah well. The usual desperate holding on at the end with 10 players for half the game. Situation normal.
Last seconds of the game and you can’t put a corner into the box?
Soft as fudge and you don’t deserve to win
Soft as fudge and you don’t deserve to win
Take that result all things considered, but not sure Kosta agreed with the strategy from ufuk there to keep the ball rather than go for the win. I’m inclined to agree with him, it was easily going to be the last kick of the game.
Last seconds of the game and you can’t put a corner into the box?
Soft as fudge
Soft as fudge
The only reasonable reason I can think they'd kill time instead of having a crack.
Have to take that I suppose. Disappointing after leading 2-0 and looking as though we had just about broken them.
Not enough from us there.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
Last seconds of the game and you can’t put a corner into the box?
Soft as fudge and you don’t deserve to win
Soft as fudge and you don’t deserve to win
Missed the majority of the game due to travel, so will watch the game in full later on.
How was Ugarkovic in place of Lewis? Conditions looked awful, pitch looked shoddy, so on face value I'm happy with a point.
Was the red even a red? Sounds like another dodgy call (I haven't seen it of course), but then again, when are we ever given a fair crack at it by the refs in this comp?
5 points from 3 games this season where we've had a sending off against us. So we can't be faulting the resolve to grind out a result in the circumstances...
How was Ugarkovic in place of Lewis? Conditions looked awful, pitch looked shoddy, so on face value I'm happy with a point.
Was the red even a red? Sounds like another dodgy call (I haven't seen it of course), but then again, when are we ever given a fair crack at it by the refs in this comp?
5 points from 3 games this season where we've had a sending off against us. So we can't be faulting the resolve to grind out a result in the circumstances...
Not enough from us there.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
3rd is now scraping into the 6? we are 6 behind City 1 behing CCM and 3 points ahead of 6th.
Not enough from us there.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
3rd is now scraping into the 6? we are 6 behind City 1 behing CCM and 3 points ahead of 6th.
Agree with the sentiment but Adelaide and Western Sydney have a game in hand. Result depending we could slide into 5th.
Still given the calls in the last few games, even in 5th we haven't scraped in so much as crawled across broke glass to stay in.
Actually don't think it was bias or anti-Nix or anything this time, but have just noticed AL refs this season and a bit of last season have been interpreting the law really poorly. It's consistent with others I've seen this season (Nikolai Topor-Stanley vs CCM).
It reads denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, but AL refs interpret it as denying any potential goalscoring opportunity. Looking back, with the speed and direction of the pass and positioning of the defenders either side, there's no way it's clear goalscoring opportunity. But I knew the moment it went to VAR they'd give it, because that's just what they do these days unfortunately (if it goes to looking at the VAR monitor they look for something to give, and generally overturn their onfield decision).
It reads denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, but AL refs interpret it as denying any potential goalscoring opportunity. Looking back, with the speed and direction of the pass and positioning of the defenders either side, there's no way it's clear goalscoring opportunity. But I knew the moment it went to VAR they'd give it, because that's just what they do these days unfortunately (if it goes to looking at the VAR monitor they look for something to give, and generally overturn their onfield decision).
Happy to just take the point and move on - we had to play 40 minutes down to 10 men. That's hard, and while it would have been ideal to hold on for 2-1, we got a point, didn't lose and didn't give Perth any ground on us.
Also the goal - yes defenders can always do better when you concede, but the equaliser was a superb move by Perth, great cross and awesome header from David Williams. So hardly like it was a poor/weak/soft goal for us to concede (although the first Perth goal was like that).
Also the goal - yes defenders can always do better when you concede, but the equaliser was a superb move by Perth, great cross and awesome header from David Williams. So hardly like it was a poor/weak/soft goal for us to concede (although the first Perth goal was like that).
perhps not just anti-nix, but cetainly an anti anyone but a sydney or melbourne team - ie half the league.
The call was fine for a yellow, VAR had no reason to get involved, at worst Payne is clumsy even if he is looking at the attacker - whcih i dont think he was. Then there was the pass which was still behind the player, with 3 other defenders nearby plus Sail, all who had a chance of getting to the ball/player if when he reached it. Ref made the right call, VAR failed moserably in his duty as his job is to fix clear and obvious errors - which there was none.
The call was fine for a yellow, VAR had no reason to get involved, at worst Payne is clumsy even if he is looking at the attacker - whcih i dont think he was. Then there was the pass which was still behind the player, with 3 other defenders nearby plus Sail, all who had a chance of getting to the ball/player if when he reached it. Ref made the right call, VAR failed moserably in his duty as his job is to fix clear and obvious errors - which there was none.
Actually don't think it was bias or anti-Nix or anything this time, but have just noticed AL refs this season and a bit of last season have been interpreting the law really poorly. It's consistent with others I've seen this season (Nikolai Topor-Stanley vs CCM).
It reads denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, but AL refs interpret it as denying any potential goalscoring opportunity. Looking back, with the speed and direction of the pass and positioning of the defenders either side, there's no way it's clear goalscoring opportunity. But I knew the moment it went to VAR they'd give it, because that's just what they do these days unfortunately (if it goes to looking at the VAR monitor they look for something to give, and generally overturn their onfield decision).
It reads denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, but AL refs interpret it as denying any potential goalscoring opportunity. Looking back, with the speed and direction of the pass and positioning of the defenders either side, there's no way it's clear goalscoring opportunity. But I knew the moment it went to VAR they'd give it, because that's just what they do these days unfortunately (if it goes to looking at the VAR monitor they look for something to give, and generally overturn their onfield decision).
Both I would say weren't reds because neither are clear. At least if CCM got the red then I'd agree it was at least consistent (albeit poor calls)
perhps not just anti-nix, but cetainly an anti anyone but a sydney or melbourne team - ie half the league.
The call was fine for a yellow, VAR had no reason to get involved, at worst Payne is clumsy even if he is looking at the attacker - whcih i dont think he was. Then there was the pass which was still behind the player, with 3 other defenders nearby plus Sail, all who had a chance of getting to the ball/player if when he reached it. Ref made the right call, VAR failed moserably in his duty as his job is to fix clear and obvious errors - which there was none.
The call was fine for a yellow, VAR had no reason to get involved, at worst Payne is clumsy even if he is looking at the attacker - whcih i dont think he was. Then there was the pass which was still behind the player, with 3 other defenders nearby plus Sail, all who had a chance of getting to the ball/player if when he reached it. Ref made the right call, VAR failed moserably in his duty as his job is to fix clear and obvious errors - which there was none.
He absolutely was looking at him. Never looked at the ball once. Not that I disagree a yellow was more than sufficient. VAR fudgeed it. Big time
On another note - can we please never play in Palmy again?
Thoughts on Ugarkovic?
Not enough from us there.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
3rd is now scraping into the 6? we are 6 behind City 1 behing CCM and 3 points ahead of 6th.
A good point against a team in form.
Was it a red... I think had Payne not fouled Williams, he would of got to the ball first and had a scoring opportunity. So under the law a red. I don't see Elliot or Laws getting across in time to stop him from having the chance to shoot.
Zwanda looked to have dived for me based on short replay, so not fussed with that not being given. Can see why he went down, but it was not instant, he took another step and said why not.
Positives... we continue to play well and create chances. Rufer looking class and Zwanda in career best form. What's not to like?
Was it a red... I think had Payne not fouled Williams, he would of got to the ball first and had a scoring opportunity. So under the law a red. I don't see Elliot or Laws getting across in time to stop him from having the chance to shoot.
Zwanda looked to have dived for me based on short replay, so not fussed with that not being given. Can see why he went down, but it was not instant, he took another step and said why not.
Positives... we continue to play well and create chances. Rufer looking class and Zwanda in career best form. What's not to like?
If I see some better angles/replays I can be convinced the Payne incident is a red card by the letter of the law.
The problem is you know in a similar situation (VAR overruling refs decision on something pretty soft), the Nix opponents would probably not have a player sent off. If you need evidence see Storm Roux yellow card last week which imo was just as likely to lead to a goal.
It's the inconsistency that is is so upsetting. If you look at the incident as a one off I can see why Nix fans might be seen as tin foil hat whinging. The context though is the ratio of close decisions (over a long period of time going back to the Kingz in the NSL) that go against us rather than with us.
The problem is you know in a similar situation (VAR overruling refs decision on something pretty soft), the Nix opponents would probably not have a player sent off. If you need evidence see Storm Roux yellow card last week which imo was just as likely to lead to a goal.
It's the inconsistency that is is so upsetting. If you look at the incident as a one off I can see why Nix fans might be seen as tin foil hat whinging. The context though is the ratio of close decisions (over a long period of time going back to the Kingz in the NSL) that go against us rather than with us.
1. Pitch was terrible, how embarrassing. Gosh some of the Brissy turfs have been shameful over the years, but this was an eyesore.
2. Not sure if it was a red.. definitely not ‘clear and obvious’ so no idea what VAR is doing sticking his beak in.
3. Apparently the crowd was 4k’ish. Is that good/expected?
4. When Zawada scores (which he does a fair bit now, thank god), the team doesn’t rush to celebrate with him.. Is it that he’s potentially running away from the players and so when the camera is on him, he’s not with his mates? Or could he be a slightly less popular player? (I hope that doesn’t sound petty, and you understand what I mean).
5. I think we have a couple on 4 yellows now (Zawada, Payne? Oli?.. Ufuk (lol), maybe some others), do you think we’ll have some tactical 5th yellows for a sit down and reset soon?.. what round is everyone reset? Surely it’s quite a while away..
2. Not sure if it was a red.. definitely not ‘clear and obvious’ so no idea what VAR is doing sticking his beak in.
3. Apparently the crowd was 4k’ish. Is that good/expected?
4. When Zawada scores (which he does a fair bit now, thank god), the team doesn’t rush to celebrate with him.. Is it that he’s potentially running away from the players and so when the camera is on him, he’s not with his mates? Or could he be a slightly less popular player? (I hope that doesn’t sound petty, and you understand what I mean).
5. I think we have a couple on 4 yellows now (Zawada, Payne? Oli?.. Ufuk (lol), maybe some others), do you think we’ll have some tactical 5th yellows for a sit down and reset soon?.. what round is everyone reset? Surely it’s quite a while away..
Zawada is plenty popular, the players have talked about him in interviews being hilarious and when the Kiwi football fix was doing a tour of the facilities he seemed to be on good terms with Waine and Lewis who were doing the tour.
Was the red card for dogso or reckless challenge? I don’t see it as either but have seen a few people online claim it was the latter.
Not enough from us there.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
Not happy with a point, as much as David Williams is a legend. Then again I still want us to challenge City for the Prem, not just scrape into the 6.
3rd is now scraping into the 6? we are 6 behind City 1 behing CCM and 3 points ahead of 6th.
A lot of games to go.
But we’ve reverted to no second half or come back goals. We couldn’t kill the game off.
And it wasn’t super ambitious not to look for the winner with a late corner.
I’m talking about the mentality. And also respect for the crowd who’ve shown up in Palmy. They deserve that last gasp thrill after a let down of a second half.
1. Never a red. Both VAR and the referees in this league are appalling.
2. We played really well in the first half, but then sat back and tried to hold out for a narrow win, as usual. I hate this style of football. It invites pressure and allows the opposition the time and space to create ample opportunities. We would have been better off going for a third goal, even when Payne was sent off, rather than play 5 at the back.
3. Palmy might just be the ugliest town in New Zealand (I hope I don't offend anyone..). Despite this, great attendance at the match. 4.5k, can't complain about that.
Will take a point, I guess. But felt like we were way too defensive in the second half, and were content hanging on to a point. Credit to the lads though, I thought they played well, for the most part.
2. We played really well in the first half, but then sat back and tried to hold out for a narrow win, as usual. I hate this style of football. It invites pressure and allows the opposition the time and space to create ample opportunities. We would have been better off going for a third goal, even when Payne was sent off, rather than play 5 at the back.
3. Palmy might just be the ugliest town in New Zealand (I hope I don't offend anyone..). Despite this, great attendance at the match. 4.5k, can't complain about that.
Will take a point, I guess. But felt like we were way too defensive in the second half, and were content hanging on to a point. Credit to the lads though, I thought they played well, for the most part.
Are you allowed to ask the ref (and do they have to tell you) how much time is left?
If they do have to tell you then the smart thing to do is ask how much time is left and if it's 10 seconds you put the ball into the box rather than trying to hang on... If its 1 min maybe keep the ball in the corner when a man down.
Also should remember that a win is worth twice as much as a draw in terms of points, so from a point pov it is better to go for the win even if you are slightly more likely to lose. Plus it is more entertaining!
If they do have to tell you then the smart thing to do is ask how much time is left and if it's 10 seconds you put the ball into the box rather than trying to hang on... If its 1 min maybe keep the ball in the corner when a man down.
Also should remember that a win is worth twice as much as a draw in terms of points, so from a point pov it is better to go for the win even if you are slightly more likely to lose. Plus it is more entertaining!
If I see some better angles/replays I can be convinced the Payne incident is a red card by the letter of the law.
The problem is you know in a similar situation (VAR overruling refs decision on something pretty soft), the Nix opponents would probably not have a player sent off. If you need evidence see Storm Roux yellow card last week which imo was just as likely to lead to a goal.
It's the inconsistency that is is so upsetting. If you look at the incident as a one off I can see why Nix fans might be seen as tin foil hat whinging. The context though is the ratio of close decisions (over a long period of time going back to the Kingz in the NSL) that go against us rather than with us.
The problem is you know in a similar situation (VAR overruling refs decision on something pretty soft), the Nix opponents would probably not have a player sent off. If you need evidence see Storm Roux yellow card last week which imo was just as likely to lead to a goal.
It's the inconsistency that is is so upsetting. If you look at the incident as a one off I can see why Nix fans might be seen as tin foil hat whinging. The context though is the ratio of close decisions (over a long period of time going back to the Kingz in the NSL) that go against us rather than with us.
VAR didn’t overrule the ref’s decision, soft or otherwise. The decision is made be the referee. Always.
I left right after the game and got home in 1hr 45 mins. yay.
The ring of Dirt or the ring of sh.ithouse? The pitch was abysmal, the "seating" was the same as it was when we last played there. That place is a frigging embarrasment. I think they only had 3 ground speakers working. The view from the chicken wire fence was horrible. I'll post some pictures from my phone soon.
The only redeeming feature about Palmy North is that their Carl's Jr's has actually improved.
Now, to the game. The referee with the 1970's Porn Star Moustache had to be the star of the show. He wrecked it. That red was questionable at best. David William has still got that X factor and scored twice. He is a class act. That the Nix decided to sit back has again bitten us on the arse.
Ugo had a pretty good game but he has a different style to Clayton Lewis. He did very well imho. Oli pulled off some good saves but with their two goals, I felt he could have done better. Having said that, how he never broke an ankle in that first half on the s.hit pitch amazes me even now.
2 points lost in my opinion. Nix, never ever have another game at that ground, never!! Hang on, we said that last time too and nothing about that dump has improved. After all the money they must be raking in from Rugby and stock cars, they have not spent more than a hundred dollars on reinvestment. I bet the rich person lounge is well stocked though.
Just a very frustrating game. Not that I could see it too closely as the chicken wire kept us all at least 30 yards from the sidelines. Again, a shi.thole ground.
The ring of Dirt or the ring of sh.ithouse? The pitch was abysmal, the "seating" was the same as it was when we last played there. That place is a frigging embarrasment. I think they only had 3 ground speakers working. The view from the chicken wire fence was horrible. I'll post some pictures from my phone soon.
The only redeeming feature about Palmy North is that their Carl's Jr's has actually improved.
Now, to the game. The referee with the 1970's Porn Star Moustache had to be the star of the show. He wrecked it. That red was questionable at best. David William has still got that X factor and scored twice. He is a class act. That the Nix decided to sit back has again bitten us on the arse.
Ugo had a pretty good game but he has a different style to Clayton Lewis. He did very well imho. Oli pulled off some good saves but with their two goals, I felt he could have done better. Having said that, how he never broke an ankle in that first half on the s.hit pitch amazes me even now.
2 points lost in my opinion. Nix, never ever have another game at that ground, never!! Hang on, we said that last time too and nothing about that dump has improved. After all the money they must be raking in from Rugby and stock cars, they have not spent more than a hundred dollars on reinvestment. I bet the rich person lounge is well stocked though.
Just a very frustrating game. Not that I could see it too closely as the chicken wire kept us all at least 30 yards from the sidelines. Again, a shi.thole ground.
I don't think the Roux and Payne comparisons are fair. Paine moved in the opposite direction of the ball to impede the run of a player whereas Roux was atleast moving towards the ball and player. In Roux case you can argue there was at least some intent to get the ball. In Paynes, no intent to go for anything other than the player.
Might explain his lack of protest at the decision??
Might explain his lack of protest at the decision??
I left right after the game and got home in 1hr 45 mins. yay.
The ring of Dirt or the ring of sh.ithouse? The pitch was abysmal, the "seating" was the same as it was when we last played there. That place is a frigging embarrasment. I think they only had 3 ground speakers working. The view from the chicken wire fence was horrible. I'll post some pictures from my phone soon.
The only redeeming feature about Palmy North is that their Carl's Jr's has actually improved.
Now, to the game. The referee with the 1970's Porn Star Moustache had to be the star of the show. He wrecked it. That red was questionable at best. David William has still got that X factor and scored twice. He is a class act. That the Nix decided to sit back has again bitten us on the arse.
Ugo had a pretty good game but he has a different style to Clayton Lewis. He did very well imho. Oli pulled off some good saves but with their two goals, I felt he could have done better. Having said that, how he never broke an ankle in that first half on the s.hit pitch amazes me even now.
2 points lost in my opinion. Nix, never ever have another game at that ground, never!! Hang on, we said that last time too and nothing about that dump has improved. After all the money they must be raking in from Rugby and stock cars, they have not spent more than a hundred dollars on reinvestment. I bet the rich person lounge is well stocked though.
Just a very frustrating game. Not that I could see it too closely as the chicken wire kept us all at least 30 yards from the sidelines. Again, a shi.thole ground.
The ring of Dirt or the ring of sh.ithouse? The pitch was abysmal, the "seating" was the same as it was when we last played there. That place is a frigging embarrasment. I think they only had 3 ground speakers working. The view from the chicken wire fence was horrible. I'll post some pictures from my phone soon.
The only redeeming feature about Palmy North is that their Carl's Jr's has actually improved.
Now, to the game. The referee with the 1970's Porn Star Moustache had to be the star of the show. He wrecked it. That red was questionable at best. David William has still got that X factor and scored twice. He is a class act. That the Nix decided to sit back has again bitten us on the arse.
Ugo had a pretty good game but he has a different style to Clayton Lewis. He did very well imho. Oli pulled off some good saves but with their two goals, I felt he could have done better. Having said that, how he never broke an ankle in that first half on the s.hit pitch amazes me even now.
2 points lost in my opinion. Nix, never ever have another game at that ground, never!! Hang on, we said that last time too and nothing about that dump has improved. After all the money they must be raking in from Rugby and stock cars, they have not spent more than a hundred dollars on reinvestment. I bet the rich person lounge is well stocked though.
Just a very frustrating game. Not that I could see it too closely as the chicken wire kept us all at least 30 yards from the sidelines. Again, a shi.thole ground.
You could have moved up to the stands, there were plenty of free seats. But I agree, it's a terrible stadium. And I hope I never have to venture into Palmerston North ever again. What a place.