Wellington Phoenix Men

WPM R15 vs Melbourne City FC | Fri 30th Jan | 7:00pm | RoF / SS2 - Game 500

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about 2 months ago
paulm
Professional football penalty taking is almost all about mentality, I've never got any issues with defenders being the penalty takers, I always assume it means they have proven themselves in training and the coach and senior players have got their back to get it done. 
Lauren was the peno taker for Arsenal's invincibles most of the time, ahead of the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Vieira etc, and had a very impressive %. 
As soon you miss though, everything always gets questioned, only natural, particularly a decisive one in the final minutes. 

I pondered why an inexperienced defender is taking them and not a golden boot for example and someone threw Steve Bruce at me 

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Wonder how well Payne would go at LB with Sheridan at RB (or Bill, but that’s never happening) to allow Armiento to play further forward. 

Or Najarrine….hmm. 

On pens-Kevin Muscat used to take them right? And I’ve got a feeling there’s a couple more defenders I can’t think of immediately…


about 2 months ago
martinb
Wonder how well Payne would go at LB with Sheridan at RB (or Bill, but that’s never happening) to allow Armiento to play further forward. 

Or Najarrine….hmm. 

On pens-Kevin Muscat used to take them right? And I’ve got a feeling there’s a couple more defenders I can’t think of immediately…


Sergio Ramos.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II
martinb
Wonder how well Payne would go at LB with Sheridan at RB (or Bill, but that’s never happening) to allow Armiento to play further forward. 

Or Najarrine….hmm. 

On pens-Kevin Muscat used to take them right? And I’ve got a feeling there’s a couple more defenders I can’t think of immediately…


Sergio Ramos.
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Rogerio Ceni,  Sao Paolo's keeper,  took 52 pens between 2005 and 2015 and scored 47 times. 90% shot success rate by a keeper ain't bad. Give it to Josh.
about 2 months ago
Steve Andrews used to take the Penalties for Tararua United back in the day when he played in Goal. He was pretty good at it too.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

about 2 months ago
Too subtle for me, even at quarter speed.
imanixsupporter
If you listen closely there is a subtle "yi" at the end, and it starts with more of an "i" sound than how Piney says it. He just says "E-Fine"
about 2 months ago
LG
Steve Andrews used to take the Penalties for Tararua United back in the day when he played in Goal. He was pretty good at it too.

Haha. Never heard of 'em. But Mr. Google tells me they were beaten 7-1 in 1975 in their first Chatham Cup match by Nth Wellington, and tho I was just gone from NZ I'd have known most of that NW team.
about 2 months ago
Was thinking that too, but not seriously...if you're going to play someone out of position at LB, (and insist on fielding Sheridan) it might as well be Payne, who at least has a decent left foot, and Sheridan at RB.
I'd rather neither started just now though.
martinb
Wonder how well Payne would go at LB with Sheridan at RB (or Bill, but that’s never happening) to allow Armiento to play further forward. 

Or Najarrine….hmm. 

On pens-Kevin Muscat used to take them right? And I’ve got a feeling there’s a couple more defenders I can’t think of immediately…
 
about 2 months ago
Jessie Merino
Rogerio Ceni,  Sao Paolo's keeper,  took 52 pens between 2005 and 2015 and scored 47 times. 90% shot success rate by a keeper ain't bad. Give it to Josh.

Danny Vokuvic 100% conversion rate
about 2 months ago
From Bullion:
"At the point for LKH coming on there was an option to shifting Sheridan back and bring on LBS instead of LKH. Even with LKH on, Sheridan could have also gone to RWB at some point and had Piper up front and switched to a 352. As it turned out we finished the game strongly and LKH was decent in midfield (I think possibly a position best suited to his characteristics). "
I was not keen on seeing LKH in midfield as this is where suddenly Melbourne City started pushing through.  Probably the above alternative (Sheridan to RWB, Piper up front, loose 352) might have played more to our team natural abilities. 
But I am splitting hairs here.  They had very good subs, Younis needs to be given some recognition.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

about 2 months ago
wilbaker
Mainland FC
While overall we are much better with James in defence, it makes no sense to take one's second penalty exactly the same way as the first when it is a low percentage chance. To put it so close to the middle it would need way more power or a different height. 
One does not even need to invoke the Panenka to point out good penalties. Instead I would tell you of Wladyslaw Stachurski, right fullback of the excellent Legia Warsaw team (1964-1974). That team was good and went as far as the 1970 Europe Cup (today known as UEFA Champions League) semifinals (lost to the eventual winners, Feyenoord) and 1971 quarterfinals (lost to Atletico Madrid).  Stachurski was the nominated penalty taker for years, including the cup games, and he always placed them in the same spot: the right corner (left of the keeper), and all the opposition knew that. Yet he never missed one and never had one saved, because of his consistency.  And because I saw that on a grainy black and white TV as a child, I still consider it a standard that you simply must score from a penalty. End of.


Having a defender take a penalty unless they’ve been a penalty specialist their whole career is like someone doing a paneka. If they score it shuts everyone up but if they miss it looks like such a poor choice and everyone’s is going to be questioning why

I am not complaining that a defender took a penalty kick. I am complaining that he chose a low percentage shot (close to the keeper) after playing exactly the same shot in his first penalty (that he scored).  These are defendable penalties (with luck).  A high power shot well away from the keeper increases chance of a miss, but that is where consistency and precision play a role. A player able to deliver that can be a huge asset to the team. We went through a real bare patch in the past (and I do not want to remember penalties from Roy Krishna or from David Ball) but improved over the last two seasons. Even Rufer developed at least some of the required ability as he matured.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

about 2 months ago
number8
Jessie Merino
Rogerio Ceni,  Sao Paolo's keeper,  took 52 pens between 2005 and 2015 and scored 47 times. 90% shot success rate by a keeper ain't bad. Give it to Josh.

Danny Vokuvic 100% conversion rate

Frank van Hattum

360footballnews.com

about 2 months ago
Procrastinixing
Eze as you like it
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How does 4 victory players get in after losing to last place??
about 2 months ago
wilbaker
Procrastinixing
Eze as you like it
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How does 4 victory players get in after losing to last place??
I assume they've included the Monday game against sfc
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Redmayne deserved to be picked. He had the type of blinder he saves for the Nix. He won't ever need to buy beers for the rest of his life.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

about 1 month ago · edited about 1 month ago · History
Wellington were able to manipulate Melbourne City's 4-4-2 block centrally by staggering the #6's (Rufer and Nagasawa), while Retre and Najjarine helped to take advantage of the man-oriented approach of City's central midfielders.

If Rufer was on the same height as Nagasawa here, it would've been easier for Teague (attracted to Najjarine's movement) to recover and press horizontally. The extra height allows for more forward progression from the diagonal pass, while Rufer can receive with more time to turn and find the next forward option.

For City, it's a weakness in their mid-block which can see the #6's stretched against a simple positional shift from a dropping #8/#10. The wide midfielders are tasked with splitting their attention between the outside CB and the WB (because the FB does not jump — zonal backline). This creates a 1v4 against the #9, and the opponent has a spare man inside and outside the block.




I appreciate that advantages can be found through last line occupation to overload the defensive line, but I also appreciate that Wellington take a different approach by looking to overload the second line to create midfield superiorities and open up central avenues.

Too often, I see static last line occupation which results in players being hard to access because the conditions below them to progress the ball aren’t great. When they are looked for, it’s either a hopeful ball over the top or a back-to-goal reception due to the nature of the space they have to work with.

By having slightly deeper starting positions, Wellington created the separation they needed to be able to attack Melbourne City's defence with forward momentum on multiple occasions. The open ball meant that all City could do was retreat and protect the space in behind.
https://twitter.com/aus_tactics/status/2018926923448230166
https://twitter.com/aus_tactics/status/2018945103998673036
about 1 month ago
Excellent analysis.  Hard to think of that while watching the game.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days