Payne in particular was honking. Put a tackle in and track... he didn't do even the basics!!
Remember a few seasons ago 2nd or 3rd last game of the season, away to WSW, Payne put in a big last second great tackle to deny someone. Then let out a huge roar he was so pumped. All else I remember is that like now it was knife edge with the playoffs. But yes the mood is very different at the moment in the run in.
any self respecting professional does not require a coach to motivate them
in saying that, i do think that the team environment is very bad and that the players are not getting the right messages from the coaching staff and their two shrinks.
uffie clearly doesn't give a rats. his monotone post match rhetoric is just being rote repeated from a template each week.
i think we have some very weak individuals among the senior kiwis
and i'm also looking at the imports. i'm seeing very little by way of cogolling, drive and organisation from the imports, zawada excluded. these guys are being paid to bring a higher standard of both ability and aptitude to the team
“I’ve played under ‘Rudes’ (Marko Rudan), I know how motivated they are going to be for the playoffs, especially in front of their fans.”
Kind of a weird comment as if suggesting Rudan motivates his players and Uffy doesn't
Sail seems to have been acting like a bit of a tosser for a while now. Might have a rude awakening about life in WA. Football is football. And if he respects Rudan more than Uffie he can and all.
There was a huge lack of urgency in our defence, no wonder we got stuffed 4 zip, we could have easily conceded more goals as they missed some pretty easy opportunities - our strikers strung a few passes together, but would then turn the ball over, in fact all our players were losing possession far too much, we hardly had any flow going forward from the back, so was too easily for them to suffocate us... part of the blame is on the coaches, but the other part is on the players, they're the one's out on the field, so it's on them to play with good nous & perform their roles well, not play senseless stuff like this.
“I’ve played under ‘Rudes’ (Marko Rudan), I know how motivated they are going to be for the playoffs, especially in front of their fans.”
Kind of a weird comment as if suggesting Rudan motivates his players and Uffy doesn't
I dunno if I'd read it that way. Just sounded like he had been defeated and knows Rudan fires players up.
Rudans fire up style is also the reason he has lost locker rooms. So I think that's what he's talking about, he fires up his players and if they work with that style they come out even better.
The thing that shark me more is the, we didn't stick to the game plan and we made them look better than they are and couldn't even foul them.
Just sounds defeated man. Something bad is going on behind the scenes.
“I’ve played under ‘Rudes’ (Marko Rudan), I know how motivated they are going to be for the playoffs, especially in front of their fans.”
Kind of a weird comment as if suggesting Rudan motivates his players and Uffy doesn't
I dunno if I'd read it that way. Just sounded like he had been defeated and knows Rudan fires players up.
Rudans fire up style is also the reason he has lost locker rooms. So I think that's what he's talking about, he fires up his players and if they work with that style they come out even better.
The thing that shark me more is the, we didn't stick to the game plan and we made them look better than they are and couldn't even foul them.
Just sounds defeated man. Something bad is going on behind the scenes.
I agree, seems unfair to interpret this as some kind of veiled crack at Uffie. Who really knows why the Nix have fallen apart so badly. Usually in these situations it's not just one thing, it's a whole host of factors.
It can't be great for team unity knowing months before the end of the season that a quarter of your starting lineup plus your coach are leaving for 'greener pastures', but on the other hand it's not as though this situation is uncommon in the A League, so it has to be more than that.
The sliding doors moment for me was losing the home game against WU in such a shocking way just before the long break. Win that 3-0 as we should've and the whole mentality of the team changes. Instead they got locked into an oh-no-here-we-go-again negative mindset every time the opposition scored and the coaching staff were never able to fix this tactically or psychologically.
Not that far fetched in the context of the rest of his post game interview where he's pretty straight about how shark we played, defensively in particular. Perhaps not, but I definitely get the impression he's very ready to get out of there
The team shat the bed when Ufuk had a sook over not getting the All Whites job. At the time it was petulant and childish. Some of us said it could be the start of the end...and its fast becoming that. The coach basically downed tools.
Sail is somewhat of a scapegoat here...and everyone's throwing stones at him because he's leaving. But in fairness he is right he was getting bombarded with one on ones and dealing with mediocre effort in front of him. God forbid we criticise a player for speaking his mind? it's better than all the other bs we hear from staff and players. Fair play to the guy.
The coach downed tools over a job he was never going to get. And the players are only a reflection of that. Happy to argue that point all day long. Some may even agree.
If he’s the captain and his mind is the coach is wrong, then yes, in public speaking his mind is completely unprofessional.
He’s been a leader within the group all season and a captain for part of it when on field leadership has been a huge problem. It’s all very well to say, oh, Devlin bailed Talay out. Yes, that’s why he was selected- he hated losing and buzzed all over the field making sure it didn’t happen.
The squad has been a bit unbalanced perhaps- no Ifill, Davila, Hemed or Taylor to immediately command respect from teammates and opposition alike among our imports.
Ball, Sasse, Wootton and Kraev have underperformed, but arguably our local senior players have been worse. (They’ve been insanely unlucky, but also underperformed.)
Old has been unfortunate, but only Elliot can hold his head up as far as locals and consistency are concerned. Sail’s been good, but not among the best in the league that he was when he started. He has made errors which have put us under pressure too often. It sounds that he hasn’t got the experience to lead a team this down in the dumps.
The team shat the bed when Ufuk had a sook over not getting the All Whites job. At the time it was petulant and childish. Some of us said it could be the start of the end...and its fast becoming that. The coach basically downed tools.
Sail is somewhat of a scapegoat here...and everyone's throwing stones at him because he's leaving. But in fairness he is right he was getting bombarded with one on ones and dealing with mediocre effort in front of him. God forbid we criticise a player for speaking his mind? it's better than all the other bs we hear from staff and players. Fair play to the guy.
The coach downed tools over a job he was never going to get. And the players are only a reflection of that. Happy to argue that point all day long. Some may even agree.
Nonsense. Sail is being rightly blamed for his horrendous form and unprofessional conduct as a captain. Sail has been pretty shark all season since he failed to secure any move away, after he shat the bed against Peru? That’s not on Talay. The whole team has underperformed and this season can effectively get in the bin. Total disappointment for one reason or another. As the previous poster says, only Elliot can say he’s had a good season and possibly Rufer.
The team shat the bed when Ufuk had a sook over not getting the All Whites job. At the time it was petulant and childish. Some of us said it could be the start of the end...and its fast becoming that. The coach basically downed tools.
Sail is somewhat of a scapegoat here...and everyone's throwing stones at him because he's leaving. But in fairness he is right he was getting bombarded with one on ones and dealing with mediocre effort in front of him. God forbid we criticise a player for speaking his mind? it's better than all the other bs we hear from staff and players. Fair play to the guy.
The coach downed tools over a job he was never going to get. And the players are only a reflection of that. Happy to argue that point all day long. Some may even agree.
I do tend to agree with the idea that Talay seemed to be having a sulk over the national team job. Since he missed out on it there has seemed to be a significant change in body language that could definitely be interpreted as a negative one.
I don't think Sail is a scapegoat however, his attitude has been wholly unprofessional and tbh blaming the rest of the team seems a little low when he's often underperformed just as badly as the rest.
The team shat the bed when Ufuk had a sook over not getting the All Whites job. At the time it was petulant and childish. Some of us said it could be the start of the end...and its fast becoming that. The coach basically downed tools.
Sail is somewhat of a scapegoat here...and everyone's throwing stones at him because he's leaving. But in fairness he is right he was getting bombarded with one on ones and dealing with mediocre effort in front of him. God forbid we criticise a player for speaking his mind? it's better than all the other bs we hear from staff and players. Fair play to the guy.
The coach downed tools over a job he was never going to get. And the players are only a reflection of that. Happy to argue that point all day long. Some may even agree.
Nonsense. Sail is being rightly blamed for his horrendous form and unprofessional conduct as a captain. Sail has been pretty shark all season since he failed to secure any move away, after he shat the bed against Peru? That’s not on Talay. The whole team has underperformed and this season can effectively get in the bin. Total disappointment for one reason or another. As the previous poster says, only Elliot can say he’s had a good season and possibly Rufer.
Clueless comment. A lot of you who are saying Sail has been rubbish this season have absolutely no clue when it comes to football.
The team shat the bed when Ufuk had a sook over not getting the All Whites job. At the time it was petulant and childish. Some of us said it could be the start of the end...and its fast becoming that. The coach basically downed tools.
Sail is somewhat of a scapegoat here...and everyone's throwing stones at him because he's leaving. But in fairness he is right he was getting bombarded with one on ones and dealing with mediocre effort in front of him. God forbid we criticise a player for speaking his mind? it's better than all the other bs we hear from staff and players. Fair play to the guy.
The coach downed tools over a job he was never going to get. And the players are only a reflection of that. Happy to argue that point all day long. Some may even agree.
Nonsense. Sail is being rightly blamed for his horrendous form and unprofessional conduct as a captain. Sail has been pretty shark all season since he failed to secure any move away, after he shat the bed against Peru? That’s not on Talay. The whole team has underperformed and this season can effectively get in the bin. Total disappointment for one reason or another. As the previous poster says, only Elliot can say he’s had a good season and possibly Rufer.
Clueless comment. A lot of you who are saying Sail has been rubbish this season have absolutely no clue when it comes to football.
What amazes me the most is that Dome was happy to give Talay another contract extension after he downed tools!!! Now thats clueless!!! just shows you where we are at as a club. Comedy show.
Looks like we will make the playoffs after all of this....just goes to show how shark the format is that you can be terrible for a sustained period of time yet still have a chance of winning it! Wouldn't sit right with me if we did win it. Rather get this seson done tbh or play some younger players. Im done with half the team absolute dire with little or no care to fans or sponsors. We should release UFUK now and say seeya.
Sad to see fans turn against their own club and players. God forbid Ollie Sail, a man who wears his heart on his sleeve and has dedicated almost a decade to this club, shows a bit of emotion.
Yes, it's been a terrible stretch of form, and we haven't been playing well. How about we get behind our team now, for our last match and for what will most likely be a subsequent playoff match.
I have no issue with people/fans calling out players for poor performances and making unprofesional comments at the wrong time - lets not forget Sail was one of our senior pros that broke Covid restrictions when we were in Aus for all the season - so he's kinda got form for being a little impusive.
What really grinds my grears is those that are constantly negative, picking fault ith the club, the owners, the manager, the choice of the new manager, the players the tactics - literally everything they can clearly think of. It's like they dont actually like the game or the team or the club. Angst is fine, but balance it with a little bit of positivity, maybe a suggestion that isnt insanity.
I agree with the prof on this, to some extent. We do seem to be constantly going like a yo-yo from elation to despair over our team performance and we are ready to bag it over a - pretty ignominious, granted - run of five games without a win late in the season. However, this should not detract from the truth that we have a really good stable club, likely to continue to flourish in the new (non-FFA) league model. I also disagree with those who say that they would not want us to miraculously win the GF from here based on our performance. I would take even a loss in the GF for the excellent outcome this would be, since it would mean we have sorted out the recent malaise and that our season overall was a good one on average. Melbourne City is a class above right now (who knows how the World Cup would have go on for Australia if Arnold paired Leckie up with McLaren consistently instead of criminally only using McLaren as a sub), but other teams have also shown that the A-League is a good competition attracting European and South American players.
I have no issue with people/fans calling out players for poor performances and making unprofesional comments at the wrong time - lets not forget Sail was one of our senior pros that broke Covid restrictions when we were in Aus for all the season - so he's kinda got form for being a little impusive.
What really grinds my grears is those that are constantly negative, picking fault ith the club, the owners, the manager, the choice of the new manager, the players the tactics - literally everything they can clearly think of. It's like they dont actually like the game or the team or the club. Angst is fine, but balance it with a little bit of positivity, maybe a suggestion that isnt insanity.
Adding to this, we are literally middle of the table. It could be so much worse.
Yes, we are playing like dogshark currently and everyone sees that but that is how it goes with sport sometimes. Most sports teams are either middling or bottom teams for various reasons (money is the most common). The Phoenix are a middling team trying to be a top team with maybe not quite enough money behind them to do it. Some seasons will fail and others will be successful and that is simply the way sport is (even if you have all the money in the world).
I don't understand how you can survive as a sports fan if you seemingly self immolate every time the team finishes below the top two or similar in the comp. Hell, I am a Warriors supporter and I rejoice if they finish 8th or better. Not saying you shouldn't ask for more from your team but at least be realistic that in sport it is impossible to be good all the time.
To not want the team to win the GF, just because they are playing shark house now is nuts. As Mainland states to achieve such a miraculous turn around, they would have to turn the form book on it's head, and be playing bloody well.
Chances of it next to nil, but gees we would all rejoice if it did happen. Despite everything I think Nix have a chance if they go to Gosford for a knockout playoff. A much smaller chance if it's Adelaide or Parramatta.
1) he’s been making errors he didn’t before. 2) he’s been making comments that cast bad light on the team and on his manager.
The first one can be form. Fair enough. The second one is somewhat unprofessional given his leadership position in the squad. Especially as it has been made known he’s going.
Haven’t seen anyone saying he’s rubbish, but he’s not paid to rubbish the team.
Pointing out how great a coach Rudan was for you when the fanbase justifiably hates him and you’ve just been done over by his team deserves blowback. Talay doesn’t come out and say that Sydney is a much more resilient and successful club and he knows because he worked there.
Oli is out of line and has to take any lumps coming his way imo.
I have no issue with people/fans calling out players for poor performances and making unprofesional comments at the wrong time - lets not forget Sail was one of our senior pros that broke Covid restrictions when we were in Aus for all the season - so he's kinda got form for being a little impusive.
What really grinds my grears is those that are constantly negative, picking fault ith the club, the owners, the manager, the choice of the new manager, the players the tactics - literally everything they can clearly think of. It's like they dont actually like the game or the team or the club. Angst is fine, but balance it with a little bit of positivity, maybe a suggestion that isnt insanity.
I really do wonder what you actually expect from a discussion forum? Go on any around the world for any team and its the same thing. Positivity doesn't exactly generate discussion, there's not usually a lot to be said when you're happy.
I think it's also important to note that the players read these comments from time to time (some more than others, and not all, but most do read social media comments). Most people on here have no clue that their comments are being read.
I understand the angst, but at the same time we should be looking on the bright side. We're most likely playing finals football, let's get behind the team..
I think it's also important to note that the players read these comments from time to time (some more than others, and not all, but most do read social media comments). Most people on here have no clue that their comments are being read.
I understand the angst, but at the same time we should be looking on the bright side. We're most likely playing finals football, let's get behind the team..
So don't criticize the team because the players might see it? I mean if a forum gets them upset then being a pro footballer might not be for them.
Still amazes me Sail is copping so much. Yeah sure he could do better but hes emotional....need more of it. At least he looks like he cares - a bad performance isnt a measure of level of care.
Have you ever worked for a boss that tells his staff he doesn't want to be around any longer? What would that do for office moral?
A coach telling his group mid season he doesn't fancy it anymore lol. Senior players should've gone to the board and sorted it then and there.
is it true that sail threw his armband in to the net after one of the goals?
I watched replay and he's wearing it when 4th goal goes in and not a couple of minutes later. Although, that could be because Rufer was on the field (although he never puts it on).
To be honest, I'd probably be more annoyed if he was all laughing and smiling rather than visibily pissed off when his defence was playing so bad. He seemed moody/emotional (and maybe passive agressive even) in the post match interview too, but goal keepers are a strange lot.
Still amazes me Sail is copping so much. Yeah sure he could do better but hes emotional....need more of it. At least he looks like he cares - a bad performance isnt a measure of level of care.
Have you ever worked for a boss that tells his staff he doesn't want to be around any longer? What would that do for office moral?
A coach telling his group mid season he doesn't fancy it anymore lol. Senior players should've gone to the board and sorted it then and there.
FFS.
except the annuncement uffie was leaving wasnt midseason! and even if it was you still haev a job to do for this seaons - like you;ve said before a contract is gonna end at some point.
“I’ve played under ‘Rudes’ (Marko Rudan), I know how motivated they are going to be for the playoffs, especially in front of their fans.”
Kind of a weird comment as if suggesting Rudan motivates his players and Uffy doesn't
Sail seems to have been acting like a bit of a tosser for a while now. Might have a rude awakening about life in WA. Football is football. And if he respects Rudan more than Uffie he can and all.
Maybe I saw the wrong interview after the game with Sail. Oli was pretty pissed off with the team effort and he even said that they did not play to the game plan as laid out by Ufuk. So not Ufuk's fault the team went and did their own thing so to speak.
Sutton was hung out to dry by Payne, Kraev, Lewis & Ugarkovic. They wouldn't back him up. Leaving him exposed to the counterattack time and time again.
Wootten has the speed and turning circle of a Wellington bus. He & Payne are not a good pairing. Give Laws & Pennington their dues. They are a lot quicker and more commanding in the air. Both can pass the ball.
At season's end we are losing a GK, a CM, a DM. What I'd like to see (It wont happen because we can't afford it and I can appreciate that) is two new CB's, 2 new DM's (Move Rufer further forward - his passing is pretty good overall) & 2 Wingers.
My reasoning for this is it allows us to go 4-4-2 in either a flat formation or a diamond formation, or even a 4-3-3 not just the 4-2-2-2.
When we do the wing back thing, we are too slow in the midfield and central defence to get back and cover our wingbacks.
I'd also like to see the constant passing from one side to the other side of the field across the back line. All that does, is put our already fragile defence, under even more pressure. It invariably goes back to the GK whom then hoofs the ball long and gives it back to the opposition. The other thing that this pita pata passing does, is allow the opposition defence to reset constantly and we lose any advantage.
How many times have we seen Sutton or Elliot get right down about 25 yards out, only to pass backwards and across the park it goes. It does my head in. This needs stopping. And if they say it is because no one further up is available - that's where the midfielders should be changing their positioning.
Lewis & Urgarcovic . Either works well with Rufer, but not well together. It just leave big gaps.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. I hope to nip down to the practice on ANZAC Day. I will wish them all well genuinely. I'd love to see them smash MacBulls. Finish on a high and get back on track.
Oh & give Chiefy a break, Next season is his. Let's see what he can achieve and giving him the benefit of the doubt please.
Maybe I saw the wrong interview after the game with Sail. Oli was pretty pissed off with the team effort and he even said that they did not play to the game plan as laid out by Ufuk. So not Ufuk's fault the team went and did their own thing so to speak.
Sutton was hung out to dry by Payne, Kraev, Lewis & Ugarkovic. They wouldn't back him up. Leaving him exposed to the counterattack time and time again.
Wootten has the speed and turning circle of a Wellington bus. He & Payne are not a good pairing. Give Laws & Pennington their dues. They are a lot quicker and more commanding in the air. Both can pass the ball.
At season's end we are losing a GK, a CM, a DM. What I'd like to see (It wont happen because we can't afford it and I can appreciate that) is two new CB's, 2 new DM's (Move Rufer further forward - his passing is pretty good overall) & 2 Wingers.
My reasoning for this is it allows us to go 4-4-2 in either a flat formation or a diamond formation, or even a 4-3-3 not just the 4-2-2-2.
When we do the wing back thing, we are too slow to get back and cover. I'd also like to see the constant passing from one side to the other side of the field across the back line. All that does, is put our already fragile defence, under pressure. It invariably goes back to the GK whom then hoofs the ball long and gives it back to the opposition. The other thing that this pita pata passing does, is allow the opposition defence to rest constantly and we lose any advantage.
How many times have we seen Sutton or Elliot get right down about 25 yards out, only to pass backwards and across the park it goes. It does my head in. This needs stopping. And if they say it is because no one further up is available - that's where the midfielders should be changing their positioning.
Lewis & Urgarcovic . Either works well with Rufer, but not well together. It just leave big gaps.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. I hope to nip down to the practice on ANZAC Day. I will wish them all well genuinely. I'd love to see them smash MacBulls. Finish on a high and get back on track.
Oh & give Chiefy a break, Next season is his. Let's see what he can achieve and giving him the benefit of the doubt please.
Maybe I saw the wrong interview after the game with Sail. Oli was pretty pissed off with the team effort and he even said that they did not play to the game plan as laid out by Ufuk. So not Ufuk's fault the team went and did their own thing so to speak.
Sutton was hung out to dry by Payne, Kraev, Lewis & Ugarkovic. They wouldn't back him up. Leaving him exposed to the counterattack time and time again.
Wootten has the speed and turning circle of a Wellington bus. He & Payne are not a good pairing. Give Laws & Pennington their dues. They are a lot quicker and more commanding in the air. Both can pass the ball.
At season's end we are losing a GK, a CM, a DM. What I'd like to see (It wont happen because we can't afford it and I can appreciate that) is two new CB's, 2 new DM's (Move Rufer further forward - his passing is pretty good overall) & 2 Wingers.
My reasoning for this is it allows us to go 4-4-2 in either a flat formation or a diamond formation, or even a 4-3-3 not just the 4-2-2-2.
When we do the wing back thing, we are too slow to get back and cover. I'd also like to see the constant passing from one side to the other side of the field across the back line. All that does, is put our already fragile defence, under pressure. It invariably goes back to the GK whom then hoofs the ball long and gives it back to the opposition. The other thing that this pita pata passing does, is allow the opposition defence to rest constantly and we lose any advantage.
How many times have we seen Sutton or Elliot get right down about 25 yards out, only to pass backwards and across the park it goes. It does my head in. This needs stopping. And if they say it is because no one further up is available - that's where the midfielders should be changing their positioning.
Lewis & Urgarcovic . Either works well with Rufer, but not well together. It just leave big gaps.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. I hope to nip down to the practice on ANZAC Day. I will wish them all well genuinely. I'd love to see them smash MacBulls. Finish on a high and get back on track.
Oh & give Chiefy a break, Next season is his. Let's see what he can achieve and giving him the benefit of the doubt please.
Good comment, LG.
Cheers, I just edited some spelling and added a couple of words to read better.
