Youth League without Nix!!

Youth League without Nix!!

Have a read of this article guys: shabba1212007-10-30 13:59:33

Same old Aussies, always cheating!

the Nix have got to be involved in that surely! I guess if we make a good impression in the main league we can then push for it. But not having access to that will hurt us in the long run!

We need to be a part of this.

If the Aussies shut us out of this comp, Could we not just operate the same model, but  loan the players out to Team Wellington for experience, They would still get the coaching and game time. Not as good as playing the aussies, but better than nothing

Team Wellington management haven't exactly shown enthusiasm for the young player.

WANT!

Phoenix + Junior Nix + TW (+ Hurricanes, Lions and of course the Swarm)= happy Robb

I really hope we find a way to get included, if so I'll be spending twice as much time in the Fever Zone

Well covered here folks. 

Players can't transfer between the two as the Phoenix are an Australian side and the NZFC side would be an NZ side. 

International transfers would present a major issue.

I would have thought that nzsoccer introducing a youth clause in the nzfc would accomplish the same sort of thing, having the best young players operating at that level and then fighting for a spot to train in preseason for one of the under 23 contracts on the nix

My $2.00

It leaves the Phoenix weakened and without an obvious developement path.

It also opens a can of worms on the squad size and budget for one side not being equal to the other sides. How do they arrange an equivalence for squad depth and therefore injury cover, or competitive matches for players coming back from injury ?

If only NZF had enough $$ to underwrite a Phoenix youth side in this league seeing as it would benefit both sides.

smithy2462007-10-30 15:22:31

How do you figure that?  They're not transferring anywhere.

If they play a friendly each week yes, if they are part of the NZFC it would need the players to be registered in New Zealand as it is a New Zealand competition. 

Just as the Phoenix players are officially registered to the FFA not NZF.

Then with friendlies you will have the NZFC sides asking why they should wear the cost of playing friendlies against an Australian clubs reserve side.
Hard News2007-10-30 15:25:16

Well they pay for it because you award them points for the results.

The Phoenix next sesaon could pick its squad along the lines of the aussie franchises and just setup a series of mid week games. In the off season, Get NZF, the NZFC teams round the table see if you work something out, you might get games against other a-league sides, even some of the better Island Teams might be interested.  Cost and travel would be an issue. But if you look at guys like Paston, Brownlie, George, Costa,Draper, Spoonley, Clebo and old how much better off would they be with regular game time.  A good chance to spread the Phoenix brand around the country

I am sure the likes of wests, miramar, olympic etc could be interested in 'friendlies' against nix second team. Obviously heaps to work out but they need game time some how

The local club side problem is that most clubs are completely disbanded for the period of the Phoenix season.

They have been playing Team Wellington and the like, but that still doesn't explain how they get a squad of 32 including a youth team contracted and paid.

As I say, I am intrigued as to how the FFA will handle this in the Phoenix case.  If every other team has 30+ players and an increased cap to pay them, how do they balance that.  If Sydney lose 5 to international call-ups they just call in youth  players already in the squad and training, the Phoenix would be significantly disadvantaged if they did not have the same ability.

I hope Tony and Co. don't just roll over on this, as there are some fundamental issues of equality here.  The FFA are happy to have an NZ side so they do not just have a 7 team league and they get the sponsorship benefit of a much larger market, but with exclusion from the ACL, the ridiculous Guest player for injury loophole, and other things this league is losing any sense of a level playing field.

I hope Tony P and Graham Seatter kick up a major fuss over this.

To be fair to Graham, why would he?

Why would he stick his nose into an Australian run league? Graham has stated many a time that they didn't want to hold the FFA license because they were not in the position of running club teams, just governing NZ football as a whole and neutral pivot. NZF took that FFA license on with an absolute mind to 'get it off their hands' (for lack of a better phrase) because they were intially protecting the interests of anyone that wanted to run an HAL side from NZ and by taking on the license, they then allowed others the opportunity to do so, rather than let it go to another Australian team.

NZF should concentrate on their own NYL. If they don't, what does that say for the players that have earned the privelege to play youth football in the NYL? If they see the national body trying to get a piece of the Australian pie then it just disrespects our own NYL comp.

This youth league concept in Australia throws up many a logistical nightmare (money/kids are now Australian registered and can't change clubs easily)

This is Tony P and Phoenix issue out and out.
DrQuack322007-10-30 17:25:50

Well whoevers issue it is I want to see something done, and I will support the person who does it.

The thinking behind the Aussie youth league is to develop Australian kids between 16 & 19. Major obstacle for NZ side is at the Australian Institute of Sport (NIS) in Canberra has the best kids being trained in all sports. Football is included; presently the NIS football teams have no competition to play in to develop their skills. This is seen as a huge issue over here resulting in NIS teams now playing in state leagues, which in turn are controlled by old soccer not new football and further it is very costly.

 

Also kids who are not at AIS but very talented who need extra development to bring them along again there is no competition for them to play in or teams to go to that can develop them to the level seen as necessary  for the continual improvement of playing standards in Australia.

 

The next major obstacle is the FFA is seen as the main funding body, when in effect it is the Federal Government providing funds to FFA to develop a youth league and a women�s league / football in general. So the funds are essentially Federal Government money via FFA to develop football in Australia not other countries.

 

The development of high performance sporting people in any sport in Australia is by and large Federal Government funded. The development of a youth league is very costly and essentially is well beyond FFA and or HAL clubs budgets.

 

Essentially the development of your youth football talent is not FFA or Nix duty, although Nix will be the major beneficiary, in the long term it is NZ Football and they need to lobby along with Nix for support from NZ government to fund the development of your best sporting talent.

 

FFA and many associated groups have spent years lobbing government about the benefit of football to the nation as a whole. Last month FFA was given over four years and extra 16 million dollars from government to provide extra funding including in this money was for the development of youth and women�s league.

 

In closing FFA appointed Robert Baan (a Dutch guy) to develop a national training plan and he spent the best part of two years in studying Australian football at all levels and wrote out his report which I am sure was given to the Federal government to obtain the extra funding. So my suggestion to you guys is you need lots of money and commitment from NZ government to develop your best.

Comedy Gold...

(Not your fault midfielder, but that is inadvertantly hillarious)
Hard News2007-10-31 11:10:42

Hard News sorry to here that, its just in OZ the Fed Gov pours heaps into sports development via the National Institute of Sport NIS. The NIS budget is measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Let's rename the youth football team "Team New Zealand" or "Junior All Blacks" and watch the money roll in.  Have to be based somewhere exotic to attract the fawning politicians too (Milan?  Valencia?)

I think that's a shame they don't want us to join the youth league..that would mean that while all the others A-League would have talents emerging from their youth side we would still have to recruit (and spend heaps!) older players, with more experience but a football life span of 2-3 years tops!

The same AS Roma that lost 7-1 to Man United.  I'm a bit wary about the plan now...

Vickmeist was telling me that the Oceania Confederation is fairly skint, now I know that many consider Fifa et al to be corrupt, but FIFA have huge amounts of money to throw around and Blatter has always gone on about youth. Surely New Zealand could get some money from Oceania via Fifa to develop a youth training program? Everyone else is lining there pockets through FIFA how has New Zealand missed out?

Veteran, it's not that the A-League does not want your youth team, as I explained in an a earlier post. The funding for this is coming from Australian Federal Government, who are not interested in developing NZ sports people.

I really cannot see the NZ government putting any significant money into youth football funding. Whether it is true or not Rugby still rules this country followed by yatching funding wise, (who the hell actually watches that "sport"?). We as supporters have a different view of the significance of the game but the government certainly don't share it. ForteanTimes2007-10-31 15:54:52

"it's not that the A-League does not want your youth team"

Then why not have 9 teams in the youth league? One team has a bye each week.

And in the article I read it said FFA would pay for the bulk of the costs, so they could help pay for a Phoenix youth squad (we can't really expect the federal govt of Australia to pay for it). And what about all that money the FFA promised the Knights last season from the deal with Fox? It was $600 000 I think, and as far as I'm aware the Knights weren't given it, so why can't the Phoenix have that money for a youth squad?

DrQuack322007-10-31 18:28:33

Still, if we pay for our team, why couldn't it be a 9-team youth league with a bye happening once a week?

Pay with what? Not hosting the Fiji NZ game puts NZF in the red so that obviously illustrates that there is no cash to pay for it with. How are we going to pay for it...

i don't think they'll do a junior A-league...i have a feeling our neighbours will develop a regional junior team setup away from the HAL with each franchise convieniently having a feeder team in the new comp
gings2007-10-31 22:35:40