Paul Temple (Soon to be, Former WPW Head Coach)

83 replies · 12,829 views
almost 3 years ago · edited almost 3 years ago · History
He is probably worthy of his own thread, rather than dumped into a General thread.

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
BananasKe
almost 3 years ago
The more I hear about this guy the more Im impressed.
He’s definitely higher calibre than Lawerence
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Un
over 2 years ago
That's good news. I saw him at the practices last season and he was quite good at his job. 
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
El
over 2 years ago
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
El
over 2 years ago
That's... a pretty male staff

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
BananasBullion
over 2 years ago
Doloras
That's... a pretty male staff

So?
Can only assume that they were the best options from those that applied. I have no idea how many, who or what gender the applicants were but I doubt their gender came into the consideration over experience and skilset.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Bananaswa
over 2 years ago
theprof
Doloras
That's... a pretty male staff

So?
Can only assume that they were the best options from those that applied. I have no idea how many, who or what gender the applicants were but I doubt their gender came into the consideration over experience and skilset.
Yes but at the same time the ALW is to promote and develop female footballers - would be nice if that also applied somewhat to coaching and backroom staff as well. This likely wouldn't be an issue if historically there were men's teams also with predominantly women coaching staff - that has not been and still is not the case.
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
BananasChristoDolorasNelfoos
over 2 years ago
Dome said in an interview after temple was hired that their intention is to develop women coaches, it's just Temple was the best for the job right now
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Bananastheprof
over 2 years ago
Ryan
Dome said in an interview after temple was hired that their intention is to develop women coaches, it's just Temple was the best for the job right now
I'm sure they would like that and not always possible given history of women in the sport, and fair that Callum has been retained as assistant from last year but there are no women coaches when possibly having one would be a great learning opportunity.
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Bananas
over 2 years ago
I think everyone in this thread is right.

It would be great to have a female coach, but the best coach for the job right now is best for the players.

Hopefully we do develop some great female coaches soon, but I want our players to succeed, so whoever is gonna be best for them I support.

Hopefully NZF have some great coaching programs for women so they can be deve sooner rather than later.
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
brtheprof
over 2 years ago
Bullion
theprof
Doloras
That's... a pretty male staff

So?
Can only assume that they were the best options from those that applied. I have no idea how many, who or what gender the applicants were but I doubt their gender came into the consideration over experience and skilset.
Yes but at the same time the ALW is to promote and develop female footballers - would be nice if that also applied somewhat to coaching and backroom staff as well. This likely wouldn't be an issue if historically there were men's teams also with predominantly women coaching staff - that has not been and still is not the case.

oh I agree, but as has been said - best person for the job has to apply first, gender can't be a deciding factor. Developing female coaching staff is clearly imortant but not at the expense of being succesful on the field.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
coochieeMo
over 2 years ago
Ryan
Dome said in an interview after temple was hired that their intention is to develop women coaches, it's just Temple was the best for the job right now

Similarly you could use the words for the mens team Kiwi and Aussie. Lots of Kiwi players coming through seemingly, but not many coaches. 


Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Motheprof
over 2 years ago
Bananas
I think everyone in this thread is right.

It would be great to have a female coach, but the best coach for the job right now is best for the players.

Hopefully we do develop some great female coaches soon, but I want our players to succeed, so whoever is gonna be best for them I support.

Hopefully NZF have some great coaching programs for women so they can be deve sooner rather than later.

Any females from England looking for a job :) They surely will have first dibs

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
wa
over 2 years ago
martinb
Ryan
Dome said in an interview after temple was hired that their intention is to develop women coaches, it's just Temple was the best for the job right now

Similarly you could use the words for the mens team Kiwi and Aussie. Lots of Kiwi players coming through seemingly, but not many coaches. 
Nix have invested pretty heavily in local coaches in the mens program, people like Paul Temple, Chris Greenacre, Steve Coleman, Rory Fallon. 
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
El
over 2 years ago
theprof
Bullion
theprof
Doloras
That's... a pretty male staff

So?
Can only assume that they were the best options from those that applied. I have no idea how many, who or what gender the applicants were but I doubt their gender came into the consideration over experience and skilset.
Yes but at the same time the ALW is to promote and develop female footballers - would be nice if that also applied somewhat to coaching and backroom staff as well. This likely wouldn't be an issue if historically there were men's teams also with predominantly women coaching staff - that has not been and still is not the case.

oh I agree, but as has been said - best person for the job has to apply first, gender can't be a deciding factor. Developing female coaching staff is clearly imortant but not at the expense of being succesful on the field.

Let see how Temple goes! Do we know who or how many applied for the role or was this just a formality?
Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Football Ted
theprof
Bullion
theprof
Doloras
That's... a pretty male staff

So?
Can only assume that they were the best options from those that applied. I have no idea how many, who or what gender the applicants were but I doubt their gender came into the consideration over experience and skilset.
Yes but at the same time the ALW is to promote and develop female footballers - would be nice if that also applied somewhat to coaching and backroom staff as well. This likely wouldn't be an issue if historically there were men's teams also with predominantly women coaching staff - that has not been and still is not the case.

oh I agree, but as has been said - best person for the job has to apply first, gender can't be a deciding factor. Developing female coaching staff is clearly imortant but not at the expense of being succesful on the field.

Let see how Temple goes! Do we know who or how many applied for the role or was this just a formality?

No list of who applied has been published, and obviously it wouldnt be.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Wow, I don't have any problem with a male of the species being coach this year, it's probably the turn of the fairer sex. I was commenting on the overall coaching staff, which I would expect to be gender-balanced at least.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Doloras
Wow, I don't have any problem with a male of the species being coach this year, it's probably the turn of the fairer sex. I was commenting on the overall coaching staff, which I would expect to be gender-balanced at least.

Sure, you'd expect a balance, but then for that to be possible you'd have to assume the applicants were availale to create said balance whilst keeping the required quality.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Sounds like will be a greater sharing of resources over both the ALM and ALW squads, whereas before they were more operating seperate to each other.
Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Why is it that people are assuming there was an application process and a list of applicants to select from? There wasn't. Did you see any of these roles advertised? Its well known in the Football world that its all about who you know.
I would love for gender to not have to be a consideration but until there is a change in society I think that's the only way women will get the opportunity. I'm so tired of people saying 'it should be someone with the qualifications and experience' - how exactly should women get the experience when they are not given the opportunity. 
It will be interesting to see what approach Auckland does when they enter the league. 
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Bullion
over 2 years ago · edited over 2 years ago · History
I doubt sporting/footballing organisations are able to operate outside of the employment laws of the country they are in though. Sure the Nix are a private business and can promote whoever they want, I'd expect there would have had to have been a role advertised somewhere though? Just to be clear I'm not an employment lawyer an donly have a basic knowledge of some of the requirements within NZ.
Other roles within the nix have been advertised on the usual sites within NZ, I can't see that coaching roles are any different.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
You would at least hope that at the academy. (where they are contracting all the staff from) that as some people move up the ladder to these kind of senior team positions, more females are then employed to get experience in the academy space.
It seems to be the Nix are not looking outside the academy for scholarship players or staff. So they are really only limited to who is already on the payroll at the academy. Keeping in mind that girls space at the academy is still relatively new.
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
coochieeMotheprof
over 2 years ago
It's pretty normal for a new head coach (aka Temple) to then appoint staff that he/she knows and has an existing working relationship with. Like Jones & Lawrence both knew each other from working together at FDDP/NZF. It often doesn't go well when a head coach has staff 'thrust upon them', that they don't know well.

I imagine the Nix will be working to bring new female coaches into their Academy system. I'd be surprised if the Female Nix National League team (ALW reserves) didn't have some mostly female coaches. 

As a club they have been pretty proactive in the female space. They wanted an ALW team way before the FA granted them a spot in the ALW.

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
LT01mj
over 2 years ago
And here you go. Hopefully after Temple the next head coach is a female.

https://wellingtonphoenix.com/news/three-new-staff-join-phoenix-academy

Jess Fuller and Luke Tongue are the new heads of pre-academy replacing Jesse Rawlings, who has left, after two successful years building the programme, to go on his OE.

Fuller has been the girls and women’s development officer at Southern Football since early 2022, during which time she has coached Southern United’s under-18 women’s team.

She is completing a Masters of Science in sport, exercise and health at the University of Otago and is soon to have her OFC/NZF B coaching licence.

Fuller will coach the academy’s under-15 girls team next year, replacing female development lead Katie Barrott who has taken charge of the women’s reserves.
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
LT01mjMoRa
over 2 years ago
theprof
I doubt sporting/footballing organisations are able to operate outside of the employment laws of the country they are in though. Sure the Nix are a private business and can promote whoever they want, I'd expect there would have had to have been a role advertised somewhere though? Just to be clear I'm not an employment lawyer an donly have a basic knowledge of some of the requirements within NZ.
Other roles within the nix have been advertised on the usual sites within NZ, I can't see that coaching roles are any different.
It is not a legal requirement in NZ to advertise a job - at least that's the case for the Private sector. Public Sector is most likely different. 

Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Big Pete 65brcoochieeEl+3
over 2 years ago
Well deserved!
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Big Pete 65
over 2 years ago
Chloe Knott may disagree

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



Permalink Permalink
over 2 years ago
Doloras
Chloe Knott may disagree

Sounds more like this was Chloe’s issues than a wider conspiracy.
Hopefully the team have moved on and can get on with their winning ways
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Big Pete 65LGtheprof
over 2 years ago

Rylee's interview gave some insight into the Chloe situation without giving too much away and Chloe has now unfollowed her on social media since it came out 
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Doloras
over 2 years ago · edited over 2 years ago · History
Chiefytheman

Rylee's interview gave some insight into the Chloe situation without giving too much away and Chloe has now unfollowed her on social media since it came out 

Interesting stuff. Interview with Foster below. Speaks fast. She gives a glowing view of the current environment, and like she says she's been at big well resourced clubs like Liverpool & Celtic. She's taken a 50% pay cut to come to the ALW, but she's rebuilding her career after almost dying in that car crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82PNeccKgPw

I think these 4 Ntn American visa players coming into the women's team, has been as a big a change as Temple taking over from Lawrence/Jones. Maybe even a bigger change to the whole team dynamic given they are the first visas ever with the team, whilst Temple has come from within the club's ranks. Maybe not everyone likes a loud Nth American accent, suggesting changes & new ideas, or that person taking your starting position. Certainly I imagine there has been some 'cultural change', from seasons 1 & 2. 
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
ChElGaNelfoos+2
over 2 years ago
Sounds like Chloe wanted to be the big dog in little club, didnt like the fact there were bigger players in this squad.

Queenslander 3x a year.

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
ChElGaLG
over 2 years ago
Great achievement. Club should be very proud. Month of May 2024 (or April if the Women's season finishes then) would be even better.

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Big Pete 65brElLG+2
over 2 years ago
They say let the results be the judge. Well, aside from introducing a new pattern of play, new players etc, I'd suggest his tenure is pretty solid. Of course, over time it might not be all brilliant but the bar has been set at a very high standard thus far. and the results DO speak for themselves.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
Big Pete 65brElMarto
over 1 year ago
 
 
Permalink Permalink
Endorsed by
mrsmiis
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
I prefer this. Breaking Bad is a white person fantasy that if they wanted to they could sell drugs better than cartels. Still watched it though!

IMG_0944.jpeg 11.37 KB


Permalink Permalink