You replace Ball, Piscopo and Sandoval with ..... Old, Hooper, and Van Hattum, you lose everything that the first 3 bring defensively and in terms of ball possession. After we'd done that it was a question of clinging on to our lead. We were lucky Adelaide's delivery into the box was extremely poor. I think you had about 5 over hit crosses for every 1 decent cross.
WPM R14 vs Adelaide | Sat 12th February | 6:50pm | SS7
You replace Ball, Piscopo and Sandoval with ..... Old, Hooper, and Van Hattum, you lose everything that the first 3 bring defensively and in terms of ball possession. After we'd done that it was a question of clinging on to our lead. We were lucky Adelaide's delivery into the box was extremely poor. I think you had about 5 over hit crosses for every 1 decent cross.
Maybe so - but even if those 3 stayed on they would all be spent and imo doing worse than their replacements at 90 mins (e.g. Ball made a couple of mistakes just before being pulled). We also have another midweek game coming up.
I don't think Waine is a world beater but I find putting Van Huttum on before him a weird one, if we are going to critisise the subs.
Pennington not coming on for Lewis or Rufer was a mistake for me. I like Lewis and he had another very good game, but I'm pretty sure he was the one who made the awful quick free kick at 90+1 to turn over possession, when we were 1-0 up and should of had some game management - possibly tiredness didn't help with his thinking there.
Anyway, I might of misunderstood your comment; not sure if you are saying Talay shouldn't of made those subs, or if your just pointing out our not great depth when subs needed to be made due to fatigue.
we are 7th and not even at the half way point of the season. 14 games to go by my count. We are 1 point of 6th with 3 of the teams above us having played 2 more games (including Sydney).
All it takes is a couple of 3 game win streaks over the next 14 games and we will be locked in for finals footy again.
All it takes is a couple of 3 game win streaks over the next 14 games and we will be locked in for finals footy again.
we are 7th and not even at the half way point of the season. 14 games to go by my count. We are 1 point of 6th with 3 of the teams above us having played 2 more games (including Sydney).
All it takes is a couple of 3 game win streaks over the next 14 games and we will be locked in for finals footy again.
All it takes is a couple of 3 game win streaks over the next 14 games and we will be locked in for finals footy again.
I think we're a finals quality side from what I've seen so far, hopefully we can get all 4 imports fit and in the same starting XI soon and go on a tear. Uffies subs have been strange and I can't help but eel his reluctance to rotate vs Victory, when he only really made ate changes, came back to bite us a little with guys like Rufer and Lewis looking a bit leggy towards the end, Wootton probably feeling it as well!
Was very surprised that Fenton played in the left sided 10 role ahead of McGarry. Didn't think he did particularly well either, our backup in the 10 spots is a little light when Ball starts up top and runs himself into the ground for the team like he did last night. Again. Would've even preferred bringing Pennington on in the middle and pushing Lewis out there.
Our retention of possession and ability to circulate the ball is fantastic, we're able to just shift the ball side to side and start to open up our opposition - 3 quick horizontal passes for the goal that Adeiade just couldn't' adjust quickly enough to address. Sutton looks great going forward and Payne has bought some real composure and confidence to right back, which Fenton and Elliot lack a little. Overall some great signs and it looks like we're going to be a much better side than we had any right to hope given *the circumstances*
A bit of a disappointing. Performance drop in the second half, not converting the chances, plus a mix of game management and substitutes had no real impact on the game. The ladder is so tight, sadly every point counts.
You replace Ball, Piscopo and Sandoval with ..... Old, Hooper, and Van Hattum, you lose everything that the first 3 bring defensively and in terms of ball possession. After we'd done that it was a question of clinging on to our lead. We were lucky Adelaide's delivery into the box was extremely poor. I think you had about 5 over hit crosses for every 1 decent cross.
Maybe so - but even if those 3 stayed on they would all be spent and imo doing worse than their replacements at 90 mins (e.g. Ball made a couple of mistakes just before being pulled). We also have another midweek game coming up.
I don't think Waine is a world beater but I find putting Van Huttum on before him a weird one, if we are going to critisise the subs.
Pennington not coming on for Lewis or Rufer was a mistake for me. I like Lewis and he had another very good game, but I'm pretty sure he was the one who made the awful quick free kick at 90+1 to turn over possession, when we were 1-0 up and should of had some game management - possibly tiredness didn't help with his thinking there.
Anyway, I might of misunderstood your comment; not sure if you are saying Talay shouldn't of made those subs, or if your just pointing out our not great depth when subs needed to be made due to fatigue.
Yes with 90 + 1 on the clock we won that free kick about 15 metres into their half and it was a great opportunity for us to take our time, wind the clock down as well as forcing Adelaide to drop back and defend. But there was a brain explosion the kick was taken quickly and poorly directed. Possession was immediately gifted back for Adelaide to attack with a goal resulting less than a minute later
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The truth is, I feel that the substitutions were a bit of a mess.
In my opinion we replaced 4 of the best players in the A-League with 1 reasonabl pro (Fenton) and 2 lads gaining some playing time (Old and Van Hattum), plus a legend but no defender, really just a finisher these days (Hooper).
We were winning 1-0 given that we were removing 4 of the BEST players in the league, we needed to set up a defensive formation fit for purpose. In my humble opinion.
Personally. I would have switched to a flat defence and flat midfield. An old fashioned 4-4-2. I would have had Fenton-Lewis-Rufer-Pennington flat in midfield, I mean as 4 defensive midfielders. Then Old attacking midfield and Hooper as striker.
I would even have preferred to play 4-5-1 but we didn't have the bench to do that.
The truth is, I feel that the substitutions were a bit of a mess.
In my opinion we replaced 4 of the best players in the A-League with 1 reasonabl pro (Fenton) and 2 lads gaining some playing time (Old and Van Hattum), plus a legend but no defender, really just a finisher these days (Hooper).
We were winning 1-0 given that we were removing 4 of the BEST players in the league, we needed to set up a defensive formation fit for purpose. In my humble opinion.
Personally. I would have switched to a flat defence and flat midfield. An old fashioned 4-4-2. I would have had Fenton-Lewis-Rufer-Pennington flat in midfield, I mean as 4 defensive midfielders. Then Old attacking midfield and Hooper as striker.
I would even have preferred to play 4-5-1 but we didn't have the bench to do that.
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The truth is, I feel that the substitutions were a bit of a mess.
In my opinion we replaced 4 of the best players in the A-League with 1 reasonabl pro (Fenton) and 2 lads gaining some playing time (Old and Van Hattum), plus a legend but no defender, really just a finisher these days (Hooper).
We were winning 1-0 given that we were removing 4 of the BEST players in the league, we needed to set up a defensive formation fit for purpose. In my humble opinion.
Personally. I would have switched to a flat defence and flat midfield. An old fashioned 4-4-2. I would have had Fenton-Lewis-Rufer-Pennington flat in midfield, I mean as 4 defensive midfielders. Then Old attacking midfield and Hooper as striker.
I would even have preferred to play 4-5-1 but we didn't have the bench to do that.
The truth is, I feel that the substitutions were a bit of a mess.
In my opinion we replaced 4 of the best players in the A-League with 1 reasonabl pro (Fenton) and 2 lads gaining some playing time (Old and Van Hattum), plus a legend but no defender, really just a finisher these days (Hooper).
We were winning 1-0 given that we were removing 4 of the BEST players in the league, we needed to set up a defensive formation fit for purpose. In my humble opinion.
Personally. I would have switched to a flat defence and flat midfield. An old fashioned 4-4-2. I would have had Fenton-Lewis-Rufer-Pennington flat in midfield, I mean as 4 defensive midfielders. Then Old attacking midfield and Hooper as striker.
I would even have preferred to play 4-5-1 but we didn't have the bench to do that.
Uffie making reasonably attacking substitutions and not trying to hold a lead is reflective of his coaching, while keeping within his system he does tend to learn lessons and actually try something different. Yesterday it was clear that we needed to replace some tired legs, we were the dominant team so trying to keep the momentum going was the right thing to do. But bringing on two relatively fresh teenagers when we had the experience on the bench to not only keep pushing for a second while also closing out the match was very bizzare.
Fair enough that we wanted to make attacking substitutions but of Fenton, Hooper, Old and Van Hattum, I would argue that only Fenton is likely to win the ball back from the opposition more than occasionally. As for possession, none will really keep the ball. So attacking, what attacking, we can't keep the ball.
Fair enough that we wanted to make attacking substitutions but of Fenton, Hooper, Old and Van Hattum, I would argue that only Fenton is likely to win the ball back from the opposition more than occasionally. As for possession, none will really keep the ball. So attacking, what attacking, we can't keep the ball.
Edit: I guess its worthwhile mentioning that if we didn't mess up one of those three counter attacking overloads (and you'd expect us to nail at least one), we wouldn't be having this conversation and Uffie would look like a genius. A game of fine margins.
The point is that we should have comfortably won this game and we didn't. We threw 2 points away. Adelaide were inept going forward.
Interesting game., i read people here that we absolutely dominated them, I don’t think i agree. I thought Adelaide while not creating that many clear cut chances were worth a point and it was a fair result. We had some nervy moments, especially before our goal and Sail had to make numerous smart saves (Juande in first half, corner in second half and Zac clough around 80th minute). We had numerous chances ourselves, and i think the stats will show it was an even game and one point each was fair on balance of play =)
Interesting game., i read people here that we absolutely dominated them, I don’t think i agree. I thought Adelaide while not creating that many clear cut chances were worth a point and it was a fair result. We had some nervy moments, especially before our goal and Sail had to make numerous smart saves (Juande in first half, corner in second half and Zac clough around 80th minute). We had numerous chances ourselves, and i think the stats will show it was an even game and one point each was fair on balance of play =)
Another stat that keeps cropping up in almost all our games that irks me is Adelaides 16 fouls vs our 9 yet yellow's were 1 a-piece.
Not a lot of defensive cover on the bench was strange. Was Mcgarry injured?
Main concern I've got with the amount we're leaning on our senior players is injuries, I'm resigned to dropping points over the next couple of games. The team is obviously tired and we're only half way through this rapid fire run of games.
Main concern I've got with the amount we're leaning on our senior players is injuries, I'm resigned to dropping points over the next couple of games. The team is obviously tired and we're only half way through this rapid fire run of games.
Not a lot of defensive cover on the bench was strange. Was Mcgarry injured?
Main concern I've got with the amount we're leaning on our senior players is injuries, I'm resigned to dropping points over the next couple of games. The team is obviously tired and we're only half way through this rapid fire run of games.
Main concern I've got with the amount we're leaning on our senior players is injuries, I'm resigned to dropping points over the next couple of games. The team is obviously tired and we're only half way through this rapid fire run of games.
Interesting game., i read people here that we absolutely dominated them, I don’t think i agree. I thought Adelaide while not creating that many clear cut chances were worth a point and it was a fair result. We had some nervy moments, especially before our goal and Sail had to make numerous smart saves (Juande in first half, corner in second half and Zac clough around 80th minute). We had numerous chances ourselves, and i think the stats will show it was an even game and one point each was fair on balance of play =)
Another stat that keeps cropping up in almost all our games that irks me is Adelaides 16 fouls vs our 9 yet yellow's were 1 a-piece.
stats I've seen suggest otherwise.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wellington+phoenix+games&rlz=1C5CHFA_enNZ850NZ850&sxsrf=APq-WBvrbcWEio-cNQti7nJw3JkqAkjbDQ%3A1644713864383&ei=iFcIYtiGF_rF4-EP_c6VqAg&oq=wellingtn+phoenis+games&gs_lcp=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-wKIAaVKkgEJMC4zMi4xNS4xmAEAoAEBsAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz#sie=m;/g/11rfbf0_xc;2;/m/04r4rv;dt;fp;1;;
Not a lot of defensive cover on the bench was strange. Was Mcgarry injured?
Main concern I've got with the amount we're leaning on our senior players is injuries, I'm resigned to dropping points over the next couple of games. The team is obviously tired and we're only half way through this rapid fire run of games.
Main concern I've got with the amount we're leaning on our senior players is injuries, I'm resigned to dropping points over the next couple of games. The team is obviously tired and we're only half way through this rapid fire run of games.
Sydney could be bad.
i don't see any reason to call uffie in to account for anythign yesterday
the substitutions were fine, but they individuals didn't perform
the substitutions were fine, but they individuals didn't perform
Yeah somehow I missed the Roar match. Maybe I was subconciously ignoring it. If we can somehow contrive a win from of one of those games I will be more than happy.
Interesting game., i read people here that we absolutely dominated them, I don’t think i agree. I thought Adelaide while not creating that many clear cut chances were worth a point and it was a fair result. We had some nervy moments, especially before our goal and Sail had to make numerous smart saves (Juande in first half, corner in second half and Zac clough around 80th minute). We had numerous chances ourselves, and i think the stats will show it was an even game and one point each was fair on balance of play =)
Another stat that keeps cropping up in almost all our games that irks me is Adelaides 16 fouls vs our 9 yet yellow's were 1 a-piece.
stats I've seen suggest otherwise.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wellington+phoenix+games&rlz=1C5CHFA_enNZ850NZ850&sxsrf=APq-WBvrbcWEio-cNQti7nJw3JkqAkjbDQ%3A1644713864383&ei=iFcIYtiGF_rF4-EP_c6VqAg&oq=wellingtn+phoenis+games&gs_lcp=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-wKIAaVKkgEJMC4zMi4xNS4xmAEAoAEBsAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz#sie=m;/g/11rfbf0_xc;2;/m/04r4rv;dt;fp;1;;
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/match-centre/ALM2021-221403/stats
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FT: Wellington Phoenix (2.08) 1-1 (1.10) Adelaide United pic.twitter.com/4r3fvGdzYq
— A-League Men xG (@ALeague_xG) February 12, 2022
Weird that the official A-league site seems to have either no stats or terrible stats available, unless I'm missing something or they are buried somehwere.
Interesting game., i read people here that we absolutely dominated them, I don’t think i agree. I thought Adelaide while not creating that many clear cut chances were worth a point and it was a fair result. We had some nervy moments, especially before our goal and Sail had to make numerous smart saves (Juande in first half, corner in second half and Zac clough around 80th minute). We had numerous chances ourselves, and i think the stats will show it was an even game and one point each was fair on balance of play =)
Another stat that keeps cropping up in almost all our games that irks me is Adelaides 16 fouls vs our 9 yet yellow's were 1 a-piece.
stats I've seen suggest otherwise.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wellington+phoenix+games&rlz=1C5CHFA_enNZ850NZ850&sxsrf=APq-WBvrbcWEio-cNQti7nJw3JkqAkjbDQ%3A1644713864383&ei=iFcIYtiGF_rF4-EP_c6VqAg&oq=wellingtn+phoenis+games&gs_lcp=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-wKIAaVKkgEJMC4zMi4xNS4xmAEAoAEBsAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz#sie=m;/g/11rfbf0_xc;2;/m/04r4rv;dt;fp;1;;
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/match-centre/ALM2021-221403/stats
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FT: Wellington Phoenix (2.08) 1-1 (1.10) Adelaide United pic.twitter.com/4r3fvGdzYq
— A-League Men xG (@ALeague_xG) February 12, 2022
Weird that the official A-league site seems to have either no stats or terrible stats available, unless I'm missing something or they are buried somehwere.
We had excellent chances to bury that game with iirc, Gael, Lewis, Piscopo, Ball and Rufer unable to convert either having a clear shot on the keeper or a two on one break.
That’s 5 very good clear cut scoring chances. Throw in a difficult Hooper shot in the box, which you know- it’s Hooper- and make it 6 reasonable chances.
We dictated the play, were confident in possession and defended well.
I mean I don’t see things as clearly as the folk who thought Chris Wood had found his level in the Championship…
but I thought it was close to the game of the season, just we converted way too few of our chances, which is a familiar tune.
That’s 5 very good clear cut scoring chances. Throw in a difficult Hooper shot in the box, which you know- it’s Hooper- and make it 6 reasonable chances.
We dictated the play, were confident in possession and defended well.
I mean I don’t see things as clearly as the folk who thought Chris Wood had found his level in the Championship…
but I thought it was close to the game of the season, just we converted way too few of our chances, which is a familiar tune.
Is our next match SFC or Roar>?
Is our next match SFC or Roar>?
Roar on Wednesday is a catch up game from round 8, then SFC on Saturday. Why squad is going to struggle and will maybe see a different starting XI on Wednesday
Is our next match SFC or Roar>?
Roar on Wednesday is a catch up game from round 8, then SFC on Saturday. Why squad is going to struggle and will maybe see a different starting XI on Wednesday
I reckon Uffie will just keep trying to start his top 11-12 players as long as possible. Maybe make his subs a bit earlier. But both Sotiro & Sandoval came off pretty early against Adelaide. Hooper to start against the Roar.
Nix will have a 5 day break for the Roar game, Brisbane will only be on a 3 day spell, plus need to fly to NSW. Though yes Macarthur game last night, was their first match in 10 days.
At least during this run of 6 games over two weeks. All the games are in Sydney so there hasn't been a travel component added in.
Only advantage so far of being based over there.
I wonder also if the Nix requested all these catch up games now so that come March and the OFC qualifying for the AW's. We don't have extra games over that period.
Only advantage so far of being based over there.
I wonder also if the Nix requested all these catch up games now so that come March and the OFC qualifying for the AW's. We don't have extra games over that period.
At least during this run of 6 games over two weeks. All the games are in Sydney so there hasn't been a travel component added in.
Only advantage so far of being based over there.
I wonder also if the Nix requested all these catch up games now so that come March and the OFC qualifying for the AW's. We don't have extra games over that period.
Only advantage so far of being based over there.
I wonder also if the Nix requested all these catch up games now so that come March and the OFC qualifying for the AW's. We don't have extra games over that period.
Good point re March. Remind me someone. What is period/window that WCQ takes place?
At least during this run of 6 games over two weeks. All the games are in Sydney so there hasn't been a travel component added in.
Only advantage so far of being based over there.
I wonder also if the Nix requested all these catch up games now so that come March and the OFC qualifying for the AW's. We don't have extra games over that period.
Only advantage so far of being based over there.
I wonder also if the Nix requested all these catch up games now so that come March and the OFC qualifying for the AW's. We don't have extra games over that period.
Good point re March. Remind me someone. What is period/window that WCQ takes place?
This run of five games in two weeks (not six) has caught the Phoenix up on two of six postponed matches.
They have four more to slot in and eight weeks in which to slot them
Wed Mar 2/9/16/23/30
Wed Apr 13/20/27 (they already have a midweek game Wed Apr 6)
Mar 16/23/30 will be the 3 to avoid re: WCQ. They've definitely asked to avoid those, I imagine they'll want two before then, and two down the stretch. It's going to be hectic.
