All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

All Whites vs Myanmar | Thuwanna Stadium, Yangon | 11.30pm | Mon 7 September

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over 10 years ago

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So Rufer is at striker and he is not

Dyer is at AM and he is not

Kosta is a RWB and he is not

anyone else out of position?

dyer had impact as AM even though he is CDM - which i think will be good to see in future

rufer is good where he is - definitely rufer > brockie any day

So you signed up to mug for your mates? Did you watch the game? Dyer doesn't even make an impact playing for Sports at NRFL level.

Yes, if you watched the game you would've seen that he came on for five minutes and had 3 chances. And club football in NZ is irrelevant. 

Its irrelevant? 

T-AH-W NRFL

Higgins - CL

Raniga - NRFL

Lewis - CL

Dyer - NRFL

Rogerson - Not even regional football

Brotherton - who knows where.

You have no clue. Keep getting drunk with Tony Porter.

I don't think you understood what I meant. 

Apart from a couple out your list, these guys consider NZ club football as "fitness". They are killing time as they look to get signed. Very unaware mate.

No I got ya. They play that level cause they are not getting signed. If they were good enough, they would be somewhere else by now. Figure it out and stop mugging for your mates.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

So Rufer is at striker and he is not

Dyer is at AM and he is not

Kosta is a RWB and he is not

anyone else out of position?

dyer had impact as AM even though he is CDM - which i think will be good to see in future

rufer is good where he is - definitely rufer > brockie any day

So you signed up to mug for your mates? Did you watch the game? Dyer doesn't even make an impact playing for Sports at NRFL level.

Yes, if you watched the game you would've seen that he came on for five minutes and had 3 chances. And club football in NZ is irrelevant. 

Its irrelevant? 

T-AH-W NRFL

Higgins - CL

Raniga - NRFL

Lewis - CL

Dyer - NRFL

Rogerson - Not even regional football

Brotherton - who knows where.

You have no clue. Keep getting drunk with Tony Porter.

I don't think you understood what I meant. 

Apart from a couple out your list, these guys consider NZ club football as "fitness". They are killing time as they look to get signed. Very unaware mate.



Alright Im not 100% whether this is a purposeful troll account or not (it seems VERY much like it is) but it is ONLY by performing at your current club that you get noticed and hence get signed. It seems like you are 'very unaware mate'
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over 10 years ago

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

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over 10 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

Tough to know. I'm not really sure that Brockie and Smeltz got the service they deserved to be hung out to dry tonight. Myanmar packed he box and suffocated any action in there. Can we really say that the Myanmar keeper had a tough workout. I think at the most, it could have been 4 definite chances? Certainly not the 9 they conceded the other night.

Brockie is a good footballer but he needs to play in a certain system. Unfortunately for him, that didn't happen under Ernie and his previous 50 odd appearances for the AWs have been all over the field. He has played RWB and RW more than striker.

Your point is relevant though and I guess now he is getting deployed there, he needs to deliver and it did not happen tonight.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

NiceToMichu wrote:

To be fair what do we expect with the team he has picked. You have a number of players who play at an amateur level now playing for their country. Tim Payne has been released from a ton of clubs, still gets picked. Then you have these young lads making their debuts, they might be good for their age but this is the big time. People over the world thinking who the hell is Onehunga Sports! It seems players no longer have to earn an all whites cap, play a game for the U20s and you are guaranteed one.

1. This is not the big time.
2. No one around the world is watching.
3. Kids or no kids our side should be good enough to beat Myanmar.

we looked most fluent with more under-20s on IMO.



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over 10 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

Brockie at RWB and Kosta up front might have worked out better



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over 10 years ago

skeelow wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

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 Dyer doesn't even make an impact playing for Sports at NRFL level.

I don't think you understood what I meant. 

Apart from a couple out your list, these guys consider NZ club football as "fitness". They are killing time as they look to get signed. Very unaware mate.



Alright Im not 100% whether this is a purposeful troll account or not (it seems VERY much like it is) but it is ONLY by performing at your current club that you get noticed and hence get signed. It seems like you are 'very unaware mate'

We are talking about different time frames here. You are just stating the obvious. Read the quotes.

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over 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

Tough to know. I'm not really sure that Brockie and Smeltz got the service they deserved to be hung out to dry tonight. Myanmar packed he box and suffocated any action in there. Can we really say that the Myanmar keeper had a tough workout. I think at the most, it could have been 4 definite chances? Certainly not the 9 they conceded the other night.

Brockie is a good footballer but he needs to play in a certain system. Unfortunately for him, that didn't happen under Ernie and his previous 50 odd appearances for the AWs have been all over the field. He has played RWB and RW more than striker.

Your point is relevant though and I guess now he is getting deployed there, he needs to deliver and it did not happen tonight.



Agree with most of this however I don't necessarily agree that Myanmar packing the box is an excuse for a striker to do piss all for 90 minutes, in particular when there are two up front. My stream was rather poor but at no point did I feel that either brockie nor Smeltz started dropping out of the defense and coming short to draw defenders out of position like they should have. Yes they should have had FAR better sevice from the wingers AND the midfield IMO but if things aren't happening then the strikers should start trying TO make things happen. Or just in my opinion atleast
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over 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

Tough to know. I'm not really sure that Brockie and Smeltz got the service they deserved to be hung out to dry tonight. Myanmar packed he box and suffocated any action in there. Can we really say that the Myanmar keeper had a tough workout. I think at the most, it could have been 4 definite chances? Certainly not the 9 they conceded the other night.

Brockie is a good footballer but he needs to play in a certain system. Unfortunately for him, that didn't happen under Ernie and his previous 50 odd appearances for the AWs have been all over the field. He has played RWB and RW more than striker.

Your point is relevant though and I guess now he is getting deployed there, he needs to deliver and it did not happen tonight.



Agree with most of this however I don't necessarily agree that Myanmar packing the box is an excuse for a striker to do piss all for 90 minutes, in particular when there are two up front. My stream was rather poor but at no point did I feel that either brockie nor Smeltz started dropping out of the defense and coming short to draw defenders out of position like they should have. Yes they should have had FAR better sevice from the wingers AND the midfield IMO but if things aren't happening then the strikers should start trying TO make things happen. Or just in my opinion atleast

Agree and made mention of the lack of movement during the game. It was quite poor

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

Tough to know. I'm not really sure that Brockie and Smeltz got the service they deserved to be hung out to dry tonight. Myanmar packed he box and suffocated any action in there. Can we really say that the Myanmar keeper had a tough workout. I think at the most, it could have been 4 definite chances? Certainly not the 9 they conceded the other night.

Brockie is a good footballer but he needs to play in a certain system. Unfortunately for him, that didn't happen under Ernie and his previous 50 odd appearances for the AWs have been all over the field. He has played RWB and RW more than striker.

Your point is relevant though and I guess now he is getting deployed there, he needs to deliver and it did not happen tonight.



Agree with most of this however I don't necessarily agree that Myanmar packing the box is an excuse for a striker to do piss all for 90 minutes, in particular when there are two up front. My stream was rather poor but at no point did I feel that either brockie nor Smeltz started dropping out of the defense and coming short to draw defenders out of position like they should have. Yes they should have had FAR better sevice from the wingers AND the midfield IMO but if things aren't happening then the strikers should start trying TO make things happen. Or just in my opinion atleast

With Barbarouses and Rojas in the side you would think the strikers would be having a lot of ball. FAIL.

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago

Royz wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Colvinator wrote:

At what point do we just have to say thanks Brockie, you clearly can be a good goal scorer, but for whatever reason when playing for the All Whites it's not your thing.

Tough to know. I'm not really sure that Brockie and Smeltz got the service they deserved to be hung out to dry tonight. Myanmar packed he box and suffocated any action in there. Can we really say that the Myanmar keeper had a tough workout. I think at the most, it could have been 4 definite chances? Certainly not the 9 they conceded the other night.

Brockie is a good footballer but he needs to play in a certain system. Unfortunately for him, that didn't happen under Ernie and his previous 50 odd appearances for the AWs have been all over the field. He has played RWB and RW more than striker.

Your point is relevant though and I guess now he is getting deployed there, he needs to deliver and it did not happen tonight.



Agree with most of this however I don't necessarily agree that Myanmar packing the box is an excuse for a striker to do piss all for 90 minutes, in particular when there are two up front. My stream was rather poor but at no point did I feel that either brockie nor Smeltz started dropping out of the defense and coming short to draw defenders out of position like they should have. Yes they should have had FAR better sevice from the wingers AND the midfield IMO but if things aren't happening then the strikers should start trying TO make things happen. Or just in my opinion atleast

With Barbarouses and Rojas in the side you would think the strikers would be having a lot of ball. FAIL.




Wut? Im sorry but if you are playing striker and not getting chances YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
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over 10 years ago

I'm not blaming Barbarouses or Rojas for the poor service to the strikers - Im just saying we had these two wonderful skilled players and only managed to score once.  Hudson's tactics where just wrong.

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago

I predict an ugly 1-1 draw

Great call, Nostradamus.


Have you got this week's Lotto numbers, please? :-)

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over 10 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

Hudson always seemed to me like a fraud with good talk, but didn't think he'd actually go this bad. Ok, just a friendly, but friendlies are the only competitive matches we get. These are matches to get us ready for World Cup qualification, with the bulk of that team playing. It's just not good enough to have them playing this badly. I'm actually fine with having some young guys in who may be better in a couple of years, but he can't even get the players of quality working well together against VERY weak opposition. Fiji, Solomon Islands I would give a good chance to beat that Myanmar team, could be close anyway. They'll be licking their lips watching that.

I've been against him from day one.... 

Anyway one of my colleagues here at British Airways just saw the result on my iPad and asked me who the hell Myanmar is.  When I told him Anthony Hudson is our manager he just laughed and said "you lot have to be shark to hire that failure from Newport".

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over 10 years ago

Bring back Ricki.

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over 10 years ago

I always thought Hudson was capable of making the All Whites stop playing with long balls but he has not proven anything. Tribulietx can make Auckland City, a punch of part timers, play some nice football, and even get to beat better teams, but Hudson can't make the better players of an entire country, or at least the players he thinks are the better, play some decent football. We are on time yet, sack Hudson.

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over 10 years ago

Liam Higgins has trialled overseas a few times with no luck, plays for stop out a mid table CL club but can play for the all whites. I know certain players are unavailable but players who play local amateur leagues should not be getting picked the standard is completely different. If you are in a professional environment all the time it is easier to adapt to international football as opposed to coming from amateur football. Don't know what is worse, Hudson picking people who should never get a cap for their country or Ricki starting two unattached players against Mexico!

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over 10 years ago

All joking aside, that was a useful hit-out against quality Asian opposition and an away result not to be scoffed at. It's an important step in preparing us to play the 5th placed Asian team come World Cup playoff time in 2017.

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over 10 years ago
Someone tell him


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over 10 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

All joking aside, that was a useful hit-out against quality Asian opposition and an away result not to be scoffed at. It's an important step in preparing us to play the 5th placed Asian team come World Cup playoff time in 2017.

Ha! I actually choked on my tea reading that.

Well played sir.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

Reid, Wood, Smith, McGlinchey, etc. All need to be putting pressure on NZ Football to fix this situation, Hudson just isn't cutting it. 

Unfortunately NZ Football are going to be in survival mode with every man for themselves so I doubt getting rid of Hudson is a high priority.

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over 10 years ago

As a long time NZ football supporter I've known some down times.....but honestly this is the worse I can remember.

Mynamar ar not even in FIFA's top 150 countries.....they have just come off a 0-9 drubbing and we made them look OK. Yet on paper we fielded a powerful team. All pro's..including 4 players who are with Div1 clubs in Europe, We had two of our most experianced strikers and two of our best creative players in Rojas and McClinchey..........and we were crap.

I have been a Hudson supporter but enoughs enough. The Thailand game shown he's out of his depth and this game just confirmed it. He talks a good talk but the results are there for everyone to see. Someone should tell him that international football is too big a gulf for amateur regional NZ footballers. But thats not the real problem...we are directionless.....apart from Wood, Moss and Thomas this was close to our first 11. We should have blown Mynamar off the park.

NZ football is in a complete mess

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over 10 years ago

austin10 wrote:

As a long time NZ football supporter I've known some down times.....but honestly this is the worse I can remember.

... worse than losing to New Caledonia? That was a craptacular game but let's not all go slitting our throats just yet.


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over 10 years ago

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 10 years ago

Hudson has now used 34 different players in his 5 games in charge

don't know why but I seem to keep thinking about Joe McGrath the Irish guy who was in charge of the All Whites in the mid 90's - he didn't have a clue what he was doing either!

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over 10 years ago

Hudson has now used 34 different players in his 5 games in charge

don't know why but I seem to keep thinking about Joe McGrath the Irish guy who was in charge of the All Whites in the mid 90's - he didn't have a clue what he was doing either!

Joe McGrath knew exactly what he was doing, he was having a laugh. Hudson however simply hasnt got a clue.

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over 10 years ago

I think these recent string of results have shown that maybe for a country our size there was some sense in having the national coach also be the coach of our only professional side.

While Ricki's tactics got a bit boring, having the ability to put out combinations week after week, try things in games where there was decent opposition, and then look to fill a few holes with quality overseas players, seemed to pay a lot more dividends than what we have now.

We can't afford to get the team together regularly, and yes while they're professionals, we sorely lack game time together. NZF should be looking to use the Phoenix as a 'New Zealand A' to get a core of player consistently playing together, with the same coach as the national team, or at least have the national team coach having some involvement in the coaching staff.

It seemed to work well for Mexico, who had a core of players all from the same team, and then patched holes with players from overseas who had the quality to add strength.

It doesn't mean abandoning developing depth through youth, it means being smarter with the resources at our disposal, and acknowledging that we as a nation have several different challenged that we need to overcome, and using our initiative to get the best out of what we've got.

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over 10 years ago

austin10 wrote:

As a long time NZ football supporter I've known some down times.....but honestly this is the worse I can remember.

Mynamar ar not even in FIFA's top 150 countries.....they have just come off a 0-9 drubbing and we made them look OK. Yet on paper we fielded a powerful team. All pro's..including 4 players who are with Div1 clubs in Europe, We had two of our most experianced strikers and two of our best creative players in Rojas and McClinchey..........and we were crap.

I have been a Hudson supporter but enoughs enough. The Thailand game shown he's out of his depth and this game just confirmed it. He talks a good talk but the results are there for everyone to see. Someone should tell him that international football is too big a gulf for amateur regional NZ footballers. But thats not the real problem...we are directionless.....apart from Wood, Moss and Thomas this was close to our first 11. We should have blown Mynamar off the park.

NZ football is in a complete mess

Thats the key line right there. This was near a full strength line up and we 'aspired' to produce that. For the 50 min they parked the bus in their own half and our guys were never pressured to them having the last 30 and cutting through us with a bit of ease sends massive alarm bells. We had zero midfield in the last 30 but yet these kids are the ones thats are meant to slot in and do the job because of contact time and alignment. We have found a reserve keeper and thats about it (Marinovic had a very good game) but I really don't think we should be downplaying this result at all.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

Merick said when the job was up last time round that he didn't want it.

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over 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

austin10 wrote:

As a long time NZ football supporter I've known some down times.....but honestly this is the worse I can remember.

... worse than losing to New Caledonia? That was a craptacular game but let's not all go slitting our throats just yet.

With due respect, you were just as vocal as the rest of us during the game as to how bad we were. We were that poor when I re-read that this morning.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 10 years ago

Myanmahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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over 10 years ago

goldienz wrote:

I think these recent string of results have shown that maybe for a country our size there was some sense in having the national coach also be the coach of our only professional side.

While Ricki's tactics got a bit boring, having the ability to put out combinations week after week, try things in games where there was decent opposition, and then look to fill a few holes with quality overseas players, seemed to pay a lot more dividends than what we have now.

We can't afford to get the team together regularly, and yes while they're professionals, we sorely lack game time together. NZF should be looking to use the Phoenix as a 'New Zealand A' to get a core of player consistently playing together, with the same coach as the national team, or at least have the national team coach having some involvement in the coaching staff.

It seemed to work well for Mexico, who had a core of players all from the same team, and then patched holes with players from overseas who had the quality to add strength.

It doesn't mean abandoning developing depth through youth, it means being smarter with the resources at our disposal, and acknowledging that we as a nation have several different challenged that we need to overcome, and using our initiative to get the best out of what we've got.

Would possibly be good for the AWs but horrible for the Nix. Especially when the FFA don't recognise international windows. Can't see Wellnix going for this at all.

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over 10 years ago

Can't get any worse.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Nommag wrote:

This is the first time in about 7-8 years i'm not going to watch an All Whites game. I just have zero faith in the leadership and Hudson and if I wake up and they have scrapped a draw or lost Hudson should walk/be shoved.

The whole in ineligibility thing has me disillusioned with NZF. 

I'm fairly certain the only reason we are playing this game is to fix Hudsons winless record as All Whites coach. 

Well that worked well...

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over 10 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

goldienz wrote:

I think these recent string of results have shown that maybe for a country our size there was some sense in having the national coach also be the coach of our only professional side.

While Ricki's tactics got a bit boring, having the ability to put out combinations week after week, try things in games where there was decent opposition, and then look to fill a few holes with quality overseas players, seemed to pay a lot more dividends than what we have now.

We can't afford to get the team together regularly, and yes while they're professionals, we sorely lack game time together. NZF should be looking to use the Phoenix as a 'New Zealand A' to get a core of player consistently playing together, with the same coach as the national team, or at least have the national team coach having some involvement in the coaching staff.

It seemed to work well for Mexico, who had a core of players all from the same team, and then patched holes with players from overseas who had the quality to add strength.

It doesn't mean abandoning developing depth through youth, it means being smarter with the resources at our disposal, and acknowledging that we as a nation have several different challenged that we need to overcome, and using our initiative to get the best out of what we've got.

Would possibly be good for the AWs but horrible for the Nix. Especially when the FFA don't recognise international windows. Can't see Wellnix going for this at all.

Gareth Morgan suggested Ernie for the role when Ricki left, remember Welnix are doing this as a way to give back to the community, they aren't expecting to make a fortune out of the nix.

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over 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

goldienz wrote:

I think these recent string of results have shown that maybe for a country our size there was some sense in having the national coach also be the coach of our only professional side.

While Ricki's tactics got a bit boring, having the ability to put out combinations week after week, try things in games where there was decent opposition, and then look to fill a few holes with quality overseas players, seemed to pay a lot more dividends than what we have now.

We can't afford to get the team together regularly, and yes while they're professionals, we sorely lack game time together. NZF should be looking to use the Phoenix as a 'New Zealand A' to get a core of player consistently playing together, with the same coach as the national team, or at least have the national team coach having some involvement in the coaching staff.

It seemed to work well for Mexico, who had a core of players all from the same team, and then patched holes with players from overseas who had the quality to add strength.

It doesn't mean abandoning developing depth through youth, it means being smarter with the resources at our disposal, and acknowledging that we as a nation have several different challenged that we need to overcome, and using our initiative to get the best out of what we've got.

Would possibly be good for the AWs but horrible for the Nix. Especially when the FFA don't recognise international windows. Can't see Wellnix going for this at all.

Gareth Morgan suggested Ernie for the role when Ricki left, remember Welnix are doing this as a way to give back to the community, they aren't expecting to make a fortune out of the nix.

Good point. I forgot about that.

I do wonder whether they will have changed their tune now though after a few more years running the club.

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over 10 years ago
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over 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Doloras wrote:

austin10 wrote:

As a long time NZ football supporter I've known some down times.....but honestly this is the worse I can remember.

... worse than losing to New Caledonia? That was a craptacular game but let's not all go slitting our throats just yet.

With due respect, you were just as vocal as the rest of us during the game as to how bad we were. We were that poor when I re-read that this morning.

Yes. We were bad, in a meaningless friendly. That's not in the same zone as losing in the semifinals of the OFC.

(And nothing that comes after "due respect" should be said. It's like "I'm not racist, but...".)


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hlmphil wrote:

Ryan wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

goldienz wrote:

I think these recent string of results have shown that maybe for a country our size there was some sense in having the national coach also be the coach of our only professional side.

While Ricki's tactics got a bit boring, having the ability to put out combinations week after week, try things in games where there was decent opposition, and then look to fill a few holes with quality overseas players, seemed to pay a lot more dividends than what we have now.

We can't afford to get the team together regularly, and yes while they're professionals, we sorely lack game time together. NZF should be looking to use the Phoenix as a 'New Zealand A' to get a core of player consistently playing together, with the same coach as the national team, or at least have the national team coach having some involvement in the coaching staff.

It seemed to work well for Mexico, who had a core of players all from the same team, and then patched holes with players from overseas who had the quality to add strength.

It doesn't mean abandoning developing depth through youth, it means being smarter with the resources at our disposal, and acknowledging that we as a nation have several different challenged that we need to overcome, and using our initiative to get the best out of what we've got.

Would possibly be good for the AWs but horrible for the Nix. Especially when the FFA don't recognise international windows. Can't see Wellnix going for this at all.

Gareth Morgan suggested Ernie for the role when Ricki left, remember Welnix are doing this as a way to give back to the community, they aren't expecting to make a fortune out of the nix.

Good point. I forgot about that.

I do wonder whether they will have changed their tune now though after a few more years running the club.

I don't think so, they are increasing the budget not decreasing it. They aren't trying to squeeze money out of the club to turn a profit or anything. They are trying to build the foundations to create a sustainable franchise.

These guys also own and invest in horses that go to the Melbourne Cup, they travel the world on motorcycles, they collect cars, etc. Not everything they do is to turn a profit, some things they do because they enjoy doing that thing, and some things they do to be good Wellingtonians.

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