So the western pride game, (they're ninth out of 12th in the Queensland club competition) seems to be a waste of time, why
not play Auckland FC in Auckland?
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Am I the only person who thinks we will be walloped in PNG. We will make the next stage, I think we are in
that much disarry that we wont make the playoff against who ever the south American team is.
The quality difference will save us I think, we should realistically win even without a coach. We are talking a team of (mostly) professional players compared to amateurs, and for most of these countries the facilities that schools have in NZ are better than what the national team uses. The heat will be a leveler, but it wasn't the heat that cost us in Honiara it was the quality of the pitch.
Also don't we only have to finish 3rd in our group of 4 to get through to the next round of world cup qualifying, what is more important is winning it to get into the confederations cup
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So the western pride game, (they're ninth out of 12th in the Queensland club competition) seems to be a waste of time, why
not play Auckland FC in Auckland?
6th atm. Because they have a camp in Brisbane. Be silly to fly ACFC over. Will just be a training run.
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Am I the only person who thinks we will be walloped in PNG. We will make the next stage, I think we are in
that much disarry that we wont make the playoff against who ever the south American team is.
The quality difference will save us I think, we should realistically win even without a coach. We are talking a team of (mostly) professional players compared to amateurs, and for most of these countries the facilities that schools have in NZ are better than what the national team uses. The heat will be a leveler, but it wasn't the heat that cost us in Honiara it was the quality of the pitch.
Also don't we only have to finish 3rd in our group of 4 to get through to the next round of world cup qualifying, what is more important is winning it to get into the confederations cup
Yet the teams that beat us did it by paying short passes around us. We kept booting it up to Wood, but got nothing. We didn't or couldn't play through them
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Does anyone know if there is going to be tv coverage for this competition in NZ?
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Does anyone know if there is going to be tv coverage for this competition in NZ?
I guess the OFC will anounce it a week or so before the first match
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Booking a game with Western Pride should tell us that we have not learned the mistakes from Honiara or the Mexico lead up. But I think we already knew that...
But the All Whites had excellent build-up for the last OFC Nations Cup, playing El Salvador and Honduras in Texas the week before the tournament in the last week of May (2-2 draw and 1-0 win).
They had also played Jamaica in Auckland on 29 February (2-3 loss).
And look what happened in Honiara...
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Not sure if you read my last post.
I did say that they had a decent side and I never said I was comparing them to the All Whites.
I was just reflecting back that a then-Oceania side beat 5th place South American side.
All I am saying is, wait till the end of the OFC Nations Cup. Then we can all start talking trash.
Yes, but Coochie's point was that it was more than just a 'decent' side. In fact, it was the best generation that Australia had ever produced, and not really comparable to any Oceanian side since or from before. So it's not really a good measuring yardstick.
And, why wait for the end of the OFC Nations Cup before commenting on this?
The Socceroos were pretty competitive with CONMEBOL sides for more than twenty years in World Cup play-offs.
Even a more modest Socceroos side such as the one for the 1994 qualifiers pushed Maradona's Argentina close.
That squad mostly played in the Aussie NSL - only six of the starting eleven played in Europe.
In the Oct and Nov 1993 play-offs vs. Maradona, Batistuta et al, the Socceroos drew the first leg 1-1 at home and only lost the away leg to an Alex Tobin own goal. So the Aussies scored two goals to Argentina's one over two legs.
That Socceroos side was a mixture of pros playing in Europe and players from the domestic NSL:
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Socceroo/1993A.html
Fist leg side:
Mark Bosnich, Tony Vidmar (David Mitchell 72), Mehmet Durakovic, Milan Ivanovic, Alex Tobin, Ned Zelic, Aurelio Vidmar, Paul Wade (c), Robbie Slater, Graham Arnold, Jason van Blerk
Goal : A Vidmar 43
Second leg side:
Robert Zabica, Tony Vidmar (Carl Veart 64), Mehmet Durakovic, Milan Ivanovic, Alex Tobin, Frank Farina, Aurelio Vidmar, Paul Wade (c), Robbie Slater, Graham Arnold, Jason van Blerk
Bosnich, Zelic, Mitchell, Aurelio Vidmar, Slater, Arnold and van Blerk were good Europe-based pros. The rest were domestic NSL players.
In the play-off for the 2002 World Cup, the Socceroos beat Uruguay 1-0 at home in the first leg, losing 3-1 away in the second in November 2001.
It was a similar squad to the 2006 one with Kewell, Bosnich, Viduka, Schwarzer etc.:
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Socceroo/2001A.html
That Socceroos team had beaten Brazil in the third place play-off at the Confederations cup in Korea in June 2001.
Nine days after that they beat the All Whites 2-0 in the first leg of the OFC play-off.
In an intense schedule, the Socceroos played six OFC World Cup qualifiers, five Confederations Cup games in Korea and the two-legged Uruguay play-off in seven and a half months in 2001.
Experiencing problems similar to the All Whites currently in securing friendlies, the Socceroos played only one friendly in 2001 before their OFC World Cup qualifiers began on April 9:
"Australia had been trying to set up a series of matches around this time of the year but each one fell through."
And no friendlies between their last OFC World Cup group stage qualifier on April 16 and their first Confederations Cup match on May 30.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Not sure if you read my last post.
I did say that they had a decent side and I never said I was comparing them to the All Whites.
I was just reflecting back that a then-Oceania side beat 5th place South American side.
All I am saying is, wait till the end of the OFC Nations Cup. Then we can all start talking trash.
Yes, but Coochie's point was that it was more than just a 'decent' side. In fact, it was the best generation that Australia had ever produced, and not really comparable to any Oceanian side since or from before. So it's not really a good measuring yardstick.
And, why wait for the end of the OFC Nations Cup before commenting on this?
The Socceroos were pretty competitive with CONMEBOL sides for more than twenty years in World Cup play-offs.
Even a more modest Socceroos side such as the one for the 1994 qualifiers pushed Maradona's Argentina close.
That squad mostly played in the Aussie NSL - only six of the starting eleven played in Europe.
In the Oct and Nov 1993 play-offs vs. Maradona, Batistuta et al, the Socceroos drew the first leg 1-1 at home and only lost the away leg to an Alex Tobin own goal. So the Aussies scored two goals to Argentina's one over two legs.
That Socceroos side was a mixture of pros playing in Europe and players from the domestic NSL:
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Socceroo/1993A.html
Fist leg side:
Mark Bosnich, Tony Vidmar (David Mitchell 72), Mehmet Durakovic, Milan Ivanovic, Alex Tobin, Ned Zelic, Aurelio Vidmar, Paul Wade (c), Robbie Slater, Graham Arnold, Jason van Blerk
Goal : A Vidmar 43
Second leg side:
Robert Zabica, Tony Vidmar (Carl Veart 64), Mehmet Durakovic, Milan Ivanovic, Alex Tobin, Frank Farina, Aurelio Vidmar, Paul Wade (c), Robbie Slater, Graham Arnold, Jason van Blerk
Bosnich, Zelic, Mitchell, Aurelio Vidmar, Slater, Arnold and van Blerk were good Europe-based pros. The rest were domestic NSL players.
In the play-off for the 2002 World Cup, the Socceroos beat Uruguay 1-0 at home in the first leg, losing 3-1 away in the second in November 2001.
It was a similar squad to the 2006 one with Kewell, Bosnich, Viduka, Schwarzer etc.:
All this is true (to a large extent at least), but it's actually embellishing the story quite a bit - take 'Maradona's Argentina' for example. This wasn't the 1986 World Cup winning team, but a side that at the time was seen in Argentina as a national disgrace, not just through the fact that they needed the play-off to qualify for the World Cup, but also the way they were reduced to that situation (which also included an infamous 5-0 home defeat to Colombia). Maradona of this side was an overweight, coke-laden caricature of himself, who would go on to actually embody the national disgrace a few months later at the World Cup. During which Argentina did not cover itself in glory - although they got out of the groups stage, it was largely thanks to a very lucky 2-1 win over Nigeria, and a terrible Greek side that got thumped by everyone in that group. They also lost to a good Bulgarian side in the group, and would be knocked out by Romania in the first knock-out game (in one of the better games of that World Cup actually). So Australian performance in the play-off was creditable, but that was not some awe-inspiring team that they were faced with.
The Uruguay example is also factually inaccurate - while Australia did manage to grind out a 1-0 win in the first game, they got thumped 3-0 (not 3-1) in the return leg, which frankly could have been more (though Australia did have a couple of decent set-piece chances). And again, the Uruguayan side that beat them was by no means on the same level as the Uruguayan side of the last few years (that side wouldn't win a single game at the World Cup). Four years later, both those sides were older - although that was an advantage for Aussie, and not so much for Uruguay. Even then, it was extremely close, which I guess illustrates the difficulties in playing opposition from that part of the world.
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NZF could 'televise' the game via eg Periscope, if they learned how to connect to the internet.
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Not sure if you read my last post.
I did say that they had a decent side and I never said I was comparing them to the All Whites.
I was just reflecting back that a then-Oceania side beat 5th place South American side.
All I am saying is, wait till the end of the OFC Nations Cup. Then we can all start talking trash.
Yes, but Coochie's point was that it was more than just a 'decent' side. In fact, it was the best generation that Australia had ever produced, and not really comparable to any Oceanian side since or from before. So it's not really a good measuring yardstick.
And, why wait for the end of the OFC Nations Cup before commenting on this?
The Socceroos were pretty competitive with CONMEBOL sides for more than twenty years in World Cup play-offs.
Even a more modest Socceroos side such as the one for the 1994 qualifiers pushed Maradona's Argentina close.
That squad mostly played in the Aussie NSL - only six of the starting eleven played in Europe.
In the Oct and Nov 1993 play-offs vs. Maradona, Batistuta et al, the Socceroos drew the first leg 1-1 at home and only lost the away leg to an Alex Tobin own goal. So the Aussies scored two goals to Argentina's one over two legs.
That Socceroos side was a mixture of pros playing in Europe and players from the domestic NSL:
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Socceroo/1993A.html
Fist leg side:
Mark Bosnich, Tony Vidmar (David Mitchell 72), Mehmet Durakovic, Milan Ivanovic, Alex Tobin, Ned Zelic, Aurelio Vidmar, Paul Wade (c), Robbie Slater, Graham Arnold, Jason van Blerk
Goal : A Vidmar 43
Second leg side:
Robert Zabica, Tony Vidmar (Carl Veart 64), Mehmet Durakovic, Milan Ivanovic, Alex Tobin, Frank Farina, Aurelio Vidmar, Paul Wade (c), Robbie Slater, Graham Arnold, Jason van Blerk
Bosnich, Zelic, Mitchell, Aurelio Vidmar, Slater, Arnold and van Blerk were good Europe-based pros. The rest were domestic NSL players.
In the play-off for the 2002 World Cup, the Socceroos beat Uruguay 1-0 at home in the first leg, losing 3-1 away in the second in November 2001.
It was a similar squad to the 2006 one with Kewell, Bosnich, Viduka, Schwarzer etc.:
All this is true (to a large extent at least), but it's actually embellishing the story quite a bit - take 'Maradona's Argentina' for example. This wasn't the 1986 World Cup winning team, but a side that at the time was seen in Argentina as a national disgrace, not just through the fact that they needed the play-off to qualify for the World Cup, but also the way they were reduced to that situation (which also included an infamous 5-0 home defeat to Colombia). Maradona of this side was an overweight, coke-laden caricature of himself, who would go on to actually embody the national disgrace a few months later at the World Cup. During which Argentina did not cover itself in glory - although they got out of the groups stage, it was largely thanks to a very lucky 2-1 win over Nigeria, and a terrible Greek side that got thumped by everyone in that group. They also lost to a good Bulgarian side in the group, and would be knocked out by Romania in the first knock-out game (in one of the better games of that World Cup actually). So Australian performance in the play-off was creditable, but that was not some awe-inspiring team that they were faced with.
The Uruguay example is also factually inaccurate - while Australia did manage to grind out a 1-0 win in the first game, they got thumped 3-0 (not 3-1) in the return leg, which frankly could have been more (though Australia did have a couple of decent set-piece chances). And again, the Uruguayan side that beat them was by no means on the same level as the Uruguayan side of the last few years (that side wouldn't win a single game at the World Cup). Four years later, both those sides were older - although that was an advantage for Aussie, and not so much for Uruguay. Even then, it was extremely close, which I guess illustrates the difficulties in playing opposition from that part of the world.
C'mon! We have to grasp at any straws when it comes to the future All Whites play-off vs. the fifth-best team in South America.
Maybe it will be Argentina we face and Messi will be a shambles after doing jail time for tax evasion (he seems to be off his game currently with a trial looming next month over last year's tax fraud charges and now a fresh investigation launched after the Panama revelations he has money stashed off-shore in tax evasion schemes):
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/local/so...
True, it wasn't a well-performing Argentina side Australia faced in 1993 and Maradona was past his use-by date.
But even badly-performing Argentina sides contain some very good players.
It did include Argentina's top-scorer of all time Gabriel Batistuta, than aged 24 and early in his legendary career at Fiorentina.
I remember their mediocre display in the '94 World Cup.
As you say, it was a creditable display by an Aussie side which hadn't qualified for the finals for twenty years and Australia were not rated very highly in world football then.
Five years earlier, an Australian side of mostly NSL players thrashed then world champions Argentina 4-1 in the Bicentennary Gold Cup in 1988 in Sydney, lost another group game against Brazil 1-0 to a Romario goal, thrashed then Asian champs Saudi Arabia 3-0 and finished runner-up to Brazil in the final (2-0 loss). Argentina finished in third place.
Fantastic long-range free kick goal by Yankos for the Socceroos' second and an amazing cross and header for their fourth.
Amongst the goals for Australia in the tournament was Scott Ollerenshaw who went on to play for my local club Nelson United in our national league.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Hamish Watson has told the media that he is in Hudson's squad for the training camp in Queensland next month.
He was quoted in reports today about his signing for the Nix for next season.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Was in the Nix's press release - he'll be training with them in Auckland, not yet off to the Aus camp
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i didn't remember that game Big Pete, pretty much a B Argie squad.
by the way, when the training camp squad will be anounced?
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Cant wait to see this shambolic squad
Western Pride will be shaking in their boots!
We're playing a tournament in PNG and FNQ are leading NPL and have a much more similar climate than the western suburbs of Brisbane. Is cost the only reason why NZF think Ipswich is a better option than Cairns for the camp?
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Sounds like Watson is a bit of a big head he should get on well with Hudson. Heard at the OFC games yesterday that Hudson is pushing his CV big time in the Middle East so may not get to Aus or PNG
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Sounds like Watson is a bit of a big head he should get on well with Hudson. Heard at the OFC games yesterday that Hudson is pushing his CV big time in the Middle East so may not get to Aus or PNG
Can't really blame him. Dead end job with zero upside. When he arrived NZF was talking like playing the fifth ranked Asian team was a certainty, he also said that increasing face time was a priority. Yet neither of those things happened.
In hindsight I wonder if NZF actually knew what the process was for us qualifying for the world cup or if they assumed it alternated between Central America and Asia? I know that sounds crazy, but considering some of the botch ups that have ocured I don't think it's actually that far fetched.
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In hindsight I wonder if NZF actually knew what the process was for us qualifying for the world cup or if they assumed it alternated between Central America and Asia?
Surely this is a rhetorical question?
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In hindsight I wonder if NZF actually knew what the process was for us qualifying for the world cup or if they assumed it alternated between Central America and Asia?
Surely this is a rhetorical question?
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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Sounds like Watson is a bit of a big head he should get on well with Hudson.
From what I read on this forum across a few topics, it sounds like he probably needs to learn to shut his gob for a bit. You don't spout off about a contract you have not got yet and you don't spout off about a training camp you have not officially been invited to yet. That kinda talk generally sees the door shut in your face.Grumpy old bastard alert
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Heaven forbid, have we abandoned the no cocks policy for a youngster on minimum wage who in reality will only be a squad player?
Auckland will rise once more
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I can't find a quote from Watson himself that says he is in the AWs camp, only a statement in the club's press release. So it's the club that has "spouted off" about that. Even if it was attributed directly to him didn't the WeeMac press release shambles teach us those quotes are probably made up by the club anyway? The other stuff about him talking smack about how much he gets paid came from a single rumour from one poster.
He might be a cock for a all I know but I don't think we can say that purely on the basis of those two bits of evidence. Or is there more out there I have missed?
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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I never called him a cock. I just said he had a big mouth.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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When will we know the squad and can start moaning about smiths reason for not coming?
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I never called him a cock. I just said he had a big mouth.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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Imagining - moss marinovic gleeson fenton boxall tzimipoulos durante musa doyle colvey hudson-wihongi lewis tuiloma howieson ridenton mcglinchey rojas de vries barbarouses boyd wood brockie smeltz.
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Don't expect Brockie to be there.
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Give one good reason why you would pick Brockie ( one goal in how many games for the AWs ) come to think of it why pick Fenton
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Give one good reason why you would pick Brockie ( one goal in how many games for the AWs ) come to think of it why pick Fenton
Because he's on fire this season? You have to pick based of current form, not how many goals a player has scored for the AWs before
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Brockie has been on fire before and the doesn't step up for the AWs
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We're not exactly stacked with alternatives though
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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Brockie has been on fire before and the doesn't step up for the AWs
His return isn't flash but a lot of the appearances for the AWs have been off the bench and in positions such as LWB even: http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/video-shane-smeltz-...
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Brockie has been on fire before and the doesn't step up for the AWs
His return isn't flash but a lot of the appearances for the AWs have been off the bench and in positions such as LWB even: http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/video-shane-smeltz-...
Playing club football and international football is very different.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Brockie has been on fire before and the doesn't step up for the AWs
His return isn't flash but a lot of the appearances for the AWs have been off the bench and in positions such as LWB even: http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/video-shane-smeltz-...
Playing club football and international football is very different.
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What a muppet comment.
If that is so obvious, then why are people comparing his club record with his international one. Some players are great at club level and rubbish at international games. Of course it can happen in reverse.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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