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ALL WHITES V BAHRAIN - Official 1st Leg T

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Haven't looked at the Bahrain squad - just what's been in the newspapers (a lot in the DomPost which is good).

But it does look like we will be up against it in terms of ranking, climate and the Bahrainis feeling like it is their time. Don't know how that will translate to their on field performance but for the AWs maybe the passion factor will need to be a big feature to come away with a draw.

With Smithy in terms of schoolgirl giggling - that would be an appropriate response for an unlikely away win.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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ChelseaFCmhr wrote:
I would have Brown at CDM and Elliott at LM. He played at LM for Fulham
and also offers more stuff going forward then Brown does. I am not sure
about RB. Could be risky starting Scott when Sigmund could just go
there.
Agreed actually always thought of Elliott of a defensive player, but i guess Brown can' play out wide either. Brown DM and Elliott LW. McGlinchey should be playing behind the strikers with Bertos wide and I think 4-1-2-1-2 Diamond is the best formation to have. Fits all the players except maybe Brown but then again i would have had Brockie starting on LW, but Riki didn't even pick him. The Brown DM and Elliott RB? not really a game to think about this kinda stuff now though. Hope like Heck Nelson is back, hes the only player someone out of Bahrain, NZ areas are going to recognize so it might give us extra fan from europe ect. Not that will make a diference.
Elliott at RB would be a big mistake. Killen might also be recognised aswell and American fans might recognise some of our US players.
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tigers wrote:
but, despite that, �i do think we have shown that we can get results against sides of Bahrain's caliber


We have?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hungary, Wales, (and a Italy reserves)
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
When did we play Hungary?

But generally speaking, European sides don't take friendlies seriously, so those results are largely irrelevant for me. I'd rate Bahrain at the same kind of level as South Africa, and that didn't go well for us. But we have some new guys in now, hopefully they make some difference.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought it was on Ricki's first (and only) Euro tour as A/W's manager
 
but perhaps it's just that I can smell tea cooking
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That was Estonia (1-1) and Georgia (3-1), wasn't it?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
you are right El grap, the Hungary result was wishful thinking on my part  -  tea was tasty though
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We are definately up against it and heavy underdogs - make no mistake. No one should underate Bahrain. The only thing that holds them back is inconsistancy so lets hope they have an off day!

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just cannot wait for this, that away goal is so important.

Got a mixture of nervousness and excitement brewing inside. Bring on Sunday morning !
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I reckon a 3 nil loss would be the worst possible loss that we could come back from. 3-0 i reckon we would take it to pens at best.
clark007e2009-10-06 21:21:21
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we lose 3-0 on Sunday, it's all over.

We really, really need an away goal here.
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I wouldn't have thought a 1-0 loss was the end of the world, any loss by 1 I would take.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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bopman wrote:
I wouldn't have thought a 1-0 loss was the end of the world, any loss by 1 I would take.


Not the end of the world, but would mean we'd have to make sure not to concede here.

I would prefer not have to worry about that too much by getting at least 1 over there.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i could deal with a 1-0 loss, keeps us in it
 
will be devastated if we lose 2-0. 3-1 could be overcome maybe, thats about the limit.
 
I'll be stoked if we come home with a score draw, freakin stoked. anything better would be orgasmic
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el grapadura wrote:
That was Estonia (1-1) and Georgia (3-1), wasn't it?
 
Ok half decent results in recent years that i can think of would be ...
 
Jordan, 3-1 win (ok not great team but away from home with 10 is commendable)
Iraq, nil all at Confed 09
Wales, 2-2 away
Georgia, 3-2 (might have been 3-1) on neutral German ground
Estonia, 1-1 (over there)
Scotland, 1-1 in Edinburgh (they were crap then though)
Brazil, 0-2 at Confed 97 (ok we lost, but Tafarel pulled off a great save when only 1 nil with 10 to play, and that was BRAZIL!)
 
In fairness we hardly ever play mid ranked sides in proper games (and virtually never, ever at home) so it would be difficult to prove we're competitive even if we are.
 
We would not have played a top 100 side in NZ since Australia in 01.
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The more I think about this (and it seems to be basically all the time at the moment) I really feel the first 20 minutes are crucial.  If we can start well, be nice and solid at the back and not give Bahrain a sniff, confidence will build from there.
 
Having said that, with home and away ties, it's vital to play from the first to the final whistle.  There'd be nothing worse than conceding a couple of late goals to transform the task in the home leg from difficult to impossible.
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Having said that, with home and away ties, it's vital to play from the first to the final whistle.� There'd be nothing worse than conceding a couple of late goals to transform the task in the home leg�from difficult to impossible.


That's a very good point.
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We would not have played a top 100 side in NZ since Australia in 01.
 
This fact gives makes me confident.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why is that?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Im expecting a 6-0 thrashing ala Spain stlye if the AW's go to sleep at the start.
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el grapadura wrote:
Why is that?
A lot of sides are extremely strong at home in football whomever they face and are well capable of beating supposedly stronger opponents. We never get the chance to show our home form against half-decent sides, so we'll probably be under-estimated. Surely we can punch well above the 100th ranked mark considering all our decent games have been away.
paulm2009-10-06 22:08:20
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Love the optimism.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
reading about their use of the 'Dart fish' progamme (whatever that is)
 
wonder if some Yomcat or some of his cool and groovy geek warriors could hack it
 
get them to man mark Mully with two or three of their lads
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I think we can walk in quite optimistic. Seriously. If we maintain Ricki's defensive results for the phoenix of late then we can rattle them. Hold them off all game and they will get frustrated. The crowd will work against them. Then we can swoop and nick a goal or three.
Or get one early and then maintain our dominance. Our defence can most certainly hold out their attack, they may have a bit more speed than us,  but Nelsen led defence should be ok.

Just gotta close down those early shots from far out, because they have this big guy who is really good in the middle of the park


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good luck guys... hope you can pull it off...

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Team to play Bahrain should be:

                              Paston
 
Scott/Mulligan    Sigmund   Nelson    Lochead

                   Brown              Elliott

Bertos                    Smeltz                  McGlichey

                                Fallon

Unfortunately Paston in goal I presume as Moss suspended? He is a liability ever since his Napier City Rovers days, I think he has never caught a ball in his life - always parrying or punching i.e so he doesn't get blamed if he fumbles. Anyway - hopefully they don't find out how aweful he is. 
 
I prefer Mulligan to Scott although they both haven't played competitive football for a while (ok Mulligan didn't know whether to go for a sh*t or a piss against spain but would Scott have done better...- he doesn't/didn't even stand out in the northern premier league for melville). Other option as people say Sigmund to right back and Vicelich in at Centre back (I prefer Boyens actually as a better athlete and in the air but unfortunately was left out to dry by Vicelich in the confed cup warm up matches). Although people say Vicelich has experience blah blah if you watch the warm-up matches to Conf cup and the conf cup closely and know your stuff - he exposed the defence dreadfully at times and is slower than a wet week these days. 
 
Playing away from home always going to be 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 whatever you wanna call it, although Bertos, McGlichey, Smeltz and Fallon isn't exactly parking the bus and hitting on the counter. So almost a liverpool type formation with Brown (although still technically rubbish but the best we have) playing the mascherano type role and trying to cover the back 4 (especially double cover for the right back). Elliot can play the pockets and hit our target men early.
 
Killen or Fallon - has to be Fallon - Fallon better on the ground, left footed which adds a little extra and perhaps slightly better mobility. In the air - pretty even.
 
Hopefully for once we don't conceed in the first 15- 20 mins and try and take the crowd out of the occasion and get them frustrated.
 
Prediction 2-1 loss first leg and win 1-0 second leg. South Africa here we come.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

but would Scott have done better...- he doesn't/didn't even stand out in the northern premier league for melville).

 
Mulligan doesnt even stand out against a bunch of schoolboys

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oz TAB has AW's at $5.45 for the win in Manama. I put a lazy $200 on us. Go hard!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hi my friends
became known as the national team does not play well in front of his fans, and achieve positive results away from home, and the negative results among the fans, it was in the past, now we believe that the team plays well among the fans, and plays very nicely away, so  We consider the first game for granted, while the second match will be the decisive match.
We have a midfielder (who was suspended) Mohammed  Salmeen, and we have top scorer in asia 2004 Alaa Hubail Asia, and we have Abdulrahman Ringo fierce hitting, and they are the winning coach of Bahrain, who said yesterday that there is a surprise waiting for New Zealand.
In the local press there is great respect for the New Zealand team, and all the media to warn our players of over-confidence and not repeat the tragedy of Trinidad and Tobagua in the playoffs the past.
Community forums in the majority outweigh the outcome of the Bahraini team wins at least 2 goals.
We are surprised of the preparations being undertaken by the New Zealand team, which delayed their arrival to Dubai until this today! , As well as the camp will be in the Jebel Ali Industrial!! , And more surprised that the date of their arrival in Bahrain will be before the game just 24 hours!!
I also read an article in this forum that the attendance of the fans will not exceed 20 thousand, and this is not true, attendees will have the maximum capacity National Stadium with a capacity of 35 thousand, and many will not be able to enter the stadium for lack of space vacant.
Big greetings to all my friends in New Zealand
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Friends up until the game of course ;P

a.haak

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I am annoyed the first leg will not be on TV in Australia. Will be at the second leg live though.
 
I was just thinking the fact the Wellington Phoenix have 6-7 players in the squad and have played with each other most of the season will be a huge benefit for the New Zealand squad.
 
McGlinchey's form on Monday against Sydney FC was brilliant in the second half. I reckon a 0-0 or a 1-0 win for the Kiwis is likely...
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Steptoe wrote:
Oz TAB has AW's at $5.45 for the win in Manama. I put a lazy $200 on us. Go hard!


I'm tempted to bet money on Bahrain to ease the pain somewhat if we lose... in saying that it would take a lot of money to even come close to helping!

It's pretty stupid the NZ TAB doesn't have odds on the match yet.
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paulm wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Why is that?[/QUOTE]
A lot of sides are extremely strong at home in football whomever they face and are well capable of beating supposedly stronger opponents. We never get the chance to show our home form against half-decent sides, so we'll probably be under-estimated. Surely we can punch well above the 100th ranked mark considering all our decent games have been away.
 
A lot of sides are strong at home but much of that comes from it being the most familiar and ultimately comfortable place to play. I don't think the AWs really have that - home games being somewhat of a rarity. Particularly against decent opposition. But...
 
[QUOTE=Egan]
I was just thinking the fact the Wellington Phoenix have 6-7 players in the squad and have played with each other most of the season will be a huge benefit for the New Zealand squad.
 
I was thinking this too and how it will hopefully compensate for the otherwise missing element of the "home factor".
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wolfman wrote:
The squad thread has been closed, so here I post a question for the anoraks:
 
If NZ beat Bahrain, and Kris Bright is in the 23 for South Africa, will this be the first time a son has followed his father's footsteps and been to a World Cup?
 
I doubt it, but I was unble to google a definite answer. There seem to be plenty of international fathers and sons, but I've been unable to discover if both played World Cups in each case.
 
Also, even if the Brights are not the first such pair, would they be the first father-son pair to appear in consecutive appearnces by their country?
 
Meh - have just found the answer. I finally found confirmation that Cesare Maldini in the 1962 Italian WC squad (the Maldinis and Cruyffs were my initial thoughts when I thought of this question)
 
Obviuosly, this doesn't still doesn't answer my second question, as despite playing forever, Paolo Maldini wasn't at the 1966 WC.
 
To edge out the Brights, the pair would probably need to come from a country with a qualfying record as poor as NZ's 
 
BK Cha (Rep of Korea) played in the 86 Mexico World Cup and his son DR Cha played for Korea in 2002 Korea-Japan World Cup.
 
BK Cha led Frankfurt to their UEFA Cup win in 1980. Moved to Leverkusen and led them to their first ever win of UEFA Cup in 1988. One of legendary players in German football league.
 
But his German-born son is not doing so well in living up to his father's reputations.He's trying though
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How exciting/nerve racking is this!!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I am already about 10 times more exited/ f**king nervous than i have ever been for any Phoenix game, and there is still 4 days to go.

It only really dawned on me today, that if we are to lose, then there will be no competitive football games for a good couple years at least. Which is disheartening. But no point worrying about that till after.

Big Crowd at the Four Kings Sunday morning. Convince TV1 to send down a camera, as they do for NRL finals and that.

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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The thought of losing is quite frightening.
 
I'm more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Hoping that with heat likely yo be a factor we use the bench at the right time and well..more likely to be  to to consolidate than grab a win but with the potential for 2 fresh strikers anything can happen.....

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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