My wish for the next 4 years is Bazeley out, a right back to appear, and Paulsen to kick on to a high level
All Whites vs Belgium | Sat 27th June | 3:00pm (NZT) | BC Place, Vancouver
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Friar Tuck wrote:
My wish for the next 4 years is Bazeley out, a right back to appear, and Paulsen to kick on to a high level
My wish is for Bell to realise that not every pass has to go sideways and backwards...
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Libby the major disappointment of the WC for me. Defensively he was mostly okay, but offered next to nothing on attack. Outshone by Payne.
Baze should have got him, Singh, Crocombe and a few others into camp a bit earlier to try get them more match fit/sharp. Cacace came into the WC off zero football. Zero
Today is disappointing. But embarrassing?
We are the lowest ranked team at the big dance. Plenty of similar or worse scorelines to date
Canada beat Qatar 6-0
Germany beat Curaçao 7-1
Senegal beat Iraq 5-0
Portugal beat Uzbekistan 5-0
Netherlands beat Sweden 5-1
Sweden beat Tunisia 5-1
Japan beat Tunisia 4-0
Spain beat Saudi Arabia 4-0
Baze should have got him, Singh, Crocombe and a few others into camp a bit earlier to try get them more match fit/sharp. Cacace came into the WC off zero football. Zero
Today is disappointing. But embarrassing?
We are the lowest ranked team at the big dance. Plenty of similar or worse scorelines to date
Canada beat Qatar 6-0
Germany beat Curaçao 7-1
Senegal beat Iraq 5-0
Portugal beat Uzbekistan 5-0
Netherlands beat Sweden 5-1
Sweden beat Tunisia 5-1
Japan beat Tunisia 4-0
Spain beat Saudi Arabia 4-0
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Man some people are dealing with this way worse than I would've thought. To even entertain the thought that Wood shouldn't be picked again is fucking moronic. Who's he getting dropped for? Waine? certainly not Kosta, and please for the love of god no one say Randall.
Did he have a good game? No. He was largely invisible, wasn't great against Egypt either. Fantastic against Iran. None of that changes the fact that he is so far ahead of anyone else we have as a striker.
Did he have a good game? No. He was largely invisible, wasn't great against Egypt either. Fantastic against Iran. None of that changes the fact that he is so far ahead of anyone else we have as a striker.
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.
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I’d say as well a great performance followed by two where the defense watched him like hawks, including the keeper, was kinda to be expected.
And he did burn through 2 extra CBs against Egypt!! With Boxall’s help…
And he did burn through 2 extra CBs against Egypt!! With Boxall’s help…
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Yeah I agree that today didn’t come as an enormous shock, and I think we were tricked into thinking it was more possible than it really was by Belgium’s underwhelming first two games and so-called ‘aging squad’. In a combined XI no New Zealand player makes the team, surely.
This World Cup has about matched expectations for me. Play out of our skins and we could have won both the Egypt and Iran games. Alternatively had any of our opponents done likewise we could be going home with 3 heavy losses, which would have felt undeserved. We’re the lowest ranked team at the tournament and though you occasionally get arguments that that’s not a true reflection of our ability I don’t think there’s anyone who seriously thinks we deserve to be higher than about 50 or 60.
This World Cup has about matched expectations for me. Play out of our skins and we could have won both the Egypt and Iran games. Alternatively had any of our opponents done likewise we could be going home with 3 heavy losses, which would have felt undeserved. We’re the lowest ranked team at the tournament and though you occasionally get arguments that that’s not a true reflection of our ability I don’t think there’s anyone who seriously thinks we deserve to be higher than about 50 or 60.
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People on here are stupid as fudge sorry.
Thomas was poor, yes. But for peole to call-out his quality is bonkers. He plays in a league regularly that most nz players can only dream about.
We are NZ you Muppets. Not England, not Spain, not France... we are the low of the low who qualified because we are the best of a shit bunch.
Pull your heads in. Get a little perspective and reality in you and shut up.
Based on comments, you'd think we were a chance to win!
Thomas was poor, yes. But for peole to call-out his quality is bonkers. He plays in a league regularly that most nz players can only dream about.
We are NZ you Muppets. Not England, not Spain, not France... we are the low of the low who qualified because we are the best of a shit bunch.
Pull your heads in. Get a little perspective and reality in you and shut up.
Based on comments, you'd think we were a chance to win!
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The story of our tournament was three outstanding halves of football proceeded by three dismal halves of football. Trying to force contexts into a flurry of friendlies clearly doesnt cut the mustard. For the most part the guys were completley overawed by the situations and circumstances they found themselves in throughout the tournament. There's a mental fragility that looms large over the entire squad, guided by coaching staff that froze without a plan B when things weren't going their way and that would rather be mates with the players than make the tough calls.
You can hope against hope at the time, which we all did, that a magic wand would wave fix all our persistent weaknesses but the reality is a 2 nil loss at home to Finalnd two months out and a 4 nil loss to Haiti 2 weeks out were the indicators we had run out of time to reach the cohesion necessary to meet the standard required for a tournament like this.
Going into the next cycle with a ten million dollar windfall it's clear it would behoove NZF to look outside the old boys club coaching wise. Maybe they can increase the amount they are willing to offer as a salary? They also should seriously consider reaching out beyond the constraints of OFC for competitive football thats going to battle harden these guys and get rid of the lack of mental toughness and match awareness that plagues this inexperienced side. Tomgue in cheek, but the rest should all be pooled into the domestic clubs to subsidise the development of a genuine right back talent.
As far as the players go it wasn't all doom and gloom. From Austrian pub leagues to three goals at the world cup. Eli Just. What a bloody hero. We knew he was decent but I'm not sure many of us expected this sort of output when it came time for the big dance.
Finn Surman and Marko Stamenic also boosted their stocks and confirmed to a larger audience what we've always thought about them.
While Cacace was skilled enough to build into the tournament as it went on despite his lack of match fitness, the same can't be said for Sarpreet and Boxall also coming in from injury. A real shame as with both those guys running at 100% and of course Matt Garbett, there's enough ex factor there to put a third goal past Iran or be able to competently chase the game after going down against Egypt but sadly it wasn't to be.
Between the posts, we're probably better to invest in the abudence of young goalkeeping talent we have establishing themselves in Europe. Alex Paulsen for the no.1 slot going forward. 10 goals shipped in three games. While not at fault for all of them on the other hand its not like Crocombe countered those ten goals shipped with some outrageous saves of note.
I hope we don't put the brakes on the mens high performance programme from here and are straight back into it, in the September window. Bring on 2030!
You can hope against hope at the time, which we all did, that a magic wand would wave fix all our persistent weaknesses but the reality is a 2 nil loss at home to Finalnd two months out and a 4 nil loss to Haiti 2 weeks out were the indicators we had run out of time to reach the cohesion necessary to meet the standard required for a tournament like this.
Going into the next cycle with a ten million dollar windfall it's clear it would behoove NZF to look outside the old boys club coaching wise. Maybe they can increase the amount they are willing to offer as a salary? They also should seriously consider reaching out beyond the constraints of OFC for competitive football thats going to battle harden these guys and get rid of the lack of mental toughness and match awareness that plagues this inexperienced side. Tomgue in cheek, but the rest should all be pooled into the domestic clubs to subsidise the development of a genuine right back talent.
As far as the players go it wasn't all doom and gloom. From Austrian pub leagues to three goals at the world cup. Eli Just. What a bloody hero. We knew he was decent but I'm not sure many of us expected this sort of output when it came time for the big dance.
Finn Surman and Marko Stamenic also boosted their stocks and confirmed to a larger audience what we've always thought about them.
While Cacace was skilled enough to build into the tournament as it went on despite his lack of match fitness, the same can't be said for Sarpreet and Boxall also coming in from injury. A real shame as with both those guys running at 100% and of course Matt Garbett, there's enough ex factor there to put a third goal past Iran or be able to competently chase the game after going down against Egypt but sadly it wasn't to be.
Between the posts, we're probably better to invest in the abudence of young goalkeeping talent we have establishing themselves in Europe. Alex Paulsen for the no.1 slot going forward. 10 goals shipped in three games. While not at fault for all of them on the other hand its not like Crocombe countered those ten goals shipped with some outrageous saves of note.
I hope we don't put the brakes on the mens high performance programme from here and are straight back into it, in the September window. Bring on 2030!
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I think the magic of the world cup is that you always think you’re in with a chance no matter how slim. Against all odds that happened for us in 2010, and against all odds is happening for the likes of Cabo Verde this time. It’s great to see and it’s what makes the World Cup so memorable, but the actual chances of it happening for most teams at our level are very low.
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Yes, there have been some extreme random posts - Wood not being up to it etc
But
Those who were not embarrassed by the defensive performance today and are telling people to shut up are either part of Baz’s drinking club or have no shame and need to understand it’s that acceptance of mediocrity which will lead to old Baz being reappointed.
It’s great listing all the other thrashing’s in the tournament but one of the teams even dumped their coach after one game!! They were embarrassed and had some shame!!
Have just learnt that Bazs contract doesn’t actually expire at the end of this tournament but rather at the end of this year so even in the best case scenario we have possibly six more games with his coaching master class.
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Those who were not embarrassed by the defensive performance today and are telling people to shut up are either part of Baz’s drinking club or have no shame and need to understand it’s that acceptance of mediocrity which will lead to old Baz being reappointed.
It’s great listing all the other thrashing’s in the tournament but one of the teams even dumped their coach after one game!! They were embarrassed and had some shame!!
Have just learnt that Bazs contract doesn’t actually expire at the end of this tournament but rather at the end of this year so even in the best case scenario we have possibly six more games with his coaching master class.
Auckland will rise once more
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I think someone said it above.. we over achieved in the tournament based on the last 2 years.
We have to remember we are 80th in the world. Hardly play any meaningful games (well more recently).
Just should hopefully get a great transfer out of this. Marko the only other one that really stood out for me.
We have to remember we are 80th in the world. Hardly play any meaningful games (well more recently).
Just should hopefully get a great transfer out of this. Marko the only other one that really stood out for me.
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AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Yes, there have been some extreme random posts - Wood not being up to it etc
But
Those who were not embarrassed by the defensive performance today and are telling people to shut up are either part of Baz’s drinking club or have no shame and need to understand it’s that acceptance of mediocrity which will lead to old Baz being reappointed.
It’s great listing all the other thrashing’s in the tournament but one of the teams even dumped their coach after one game!! They were embarrassed and had some shame!!
Have just learnt that Bazs contract doesn’t actually expire at the end of this tournament but rather at the end of this year so even in the best case scenario we have possibly six more games with his coaching master class.
Look at where we are in the world compared to who we played. Yes we could have been better, but you are living in a fantasy mate. We played some of our best football ever this tournament. We scored good goals and we competed for large parts.
You're an idiot if you expected more than that!
People complaning on here need to remember we aren't Italy for example, who didn't even qualify!
You're an idiot if you expected more than that!
People complaning on here need to remember we aren't Italy for example, who didn't even qualify!
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AucklandPhoenix wrote:
Yes, there have been some extreme random posts - Wood not being up to it etc
But
Those who were not embarrassed by the defensive performance today and are telling people to shut up are either part of Baz’s drinking club or have no shame and need to understand it’s that acceptance of mediocrity which will lead to old Baz being reappointed.
It’s great listing all the other thrashing’s in the tournament but one of the teams even dumped their coach after one game!! They were embarrassed and had some shame!!
Have just learnt that Bazs contract doesn’t actually expire at the end of this tournament but rather at the end of this year so even in the best case scenario we have possibly six more games with his coaching master class.
I don’t think we want to be Tunisia. And sacking their coach didn’t improve the results
Should we dump Baze now and hope someone decent out there is okay with 3.5 years of friendlies and dull OFC qualifiers. 3.5 yrs is a long time in a coach’s career to play less than 6 competitive games
Or give a caretaker like say Simon Elliott 18 mths, and then try lock in that top international coach giving them 2 years and the WC itself. Might have a better sort of getting a top dog with the 2nd scenario
I actually emailed the NZ CEO, about NZF’s plan to try get into the CONCACAF Gold Cup and/or similar
He unexpectedly replied saying yes NZF were in talks with other Confeds re different tourney options. Pretty much what he also said to Steve and Seamus on their Between 2 Goals podcast. They are at least trying to find the AWs some badly needed tough competitive matches
Should we dump Baze now and hope someone decent out there is okay with 3.5 years of friendlies and dull OFC qualifiers. 3.5 yrs is a long time in a coach’s career to play less than 6 competitive games
Or give a caretaker like say Simon Elliott 18 mths, and then try lock in that top international coach giving them 2 years and the WC itself. Might have a better sort of getting a top dog with the 2nd scenario
I actually emailed the NZ CEO, about NZF’s plan to try get into the CONCACAF Gold Cup and/or similar
He unexpectedly replied saying yes NZF were in talks with other Confeds re different tourney options. Pretty much what he also said to Steve and Seamus on their Between 2 Goals podcast. They are at least trying to find the AWs some badly needed tough competitive matches
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Man listening to Bazeley's post-match press conference made it sound like he had no game plan and had expected we'd be all ready through by that point.
You really have to account for all possibilities as a coach and try to come up with some cohesive plan for the last game. (Unless you're Uruguay)
You really have to account for all possibilities as a coach and try to come up with some cohesive plan for the last game. (Unless you're Uruguay)
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People here who think we've done as well as we could have, are way out of the picture for what is going on here in North America. Iran was (is) a mess politically and socially. Their team was all over the place before game one making them ripe for a first up loss (which should have happened). Egypt has long had a world cup win hoodoo and were not at all confident at beating us, while Belgium until last night, were pants.
Yes we were underdogs in every game but our best XI (which IMO we never saw start) had a good chance at getting at least a point in every game.
Yes we were underdogs in every game but our best XI (which IMO we never saw start) had a good chance at getting at least a point in every game.
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Also: We, the NZ fans were the bigger of the two sets of fans in the Belgium game, and possibly also the Egypt game. Both games were full of plastic fans who were only there for Salah, Doku etc and not NZ, Egypt or Belgium.
For me that was a great feeling after being the only fan at the NZ Greece game in Athens a couple of years back.
For me that was a great feeling after being the only fan at the NZ Greece game in Athens a couple of years back.
Supporter of the world's best football teams: Waikato..., Kingz FC, NZ Knights, The Nix, The Argyle & of course the All Whites
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Baze had us playing some of the most attractive football I have ever seen from an AW side. However he has some severe limitations. The repeated failure to deal with crosses and the apparent disorganized way we marked opposing attackers is a black mark for him. He’s the coach and the buck stops with him. We conceded sloppy goals on multiple occasions. The problem was not addressed. Some of these goals would embarrass age group sides. It’s not rocket science and good well organized defense has been a hallmark of AW sides for ages.
He’s had his shift and has added to the side but it’s time to try someone else who can take a talented side even further.
He’s had his shift and has added to the side but it’s time to try someone else who can take a talented side even further.
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coochiee wrote:AucklandPhoenix wrote:I don’t think we want to be Tunisia. And sacking their coach didn’t improve the results
Yes, there have been some extreme random posts - Wood not being up to it etc
But
Those who were not embarrassed by the defensive performance today and are telling people to shut up are either part of Baz’s drinking club or have no shame and need to understand it’s that acceptance of mediocrity which will lead to old Baz being reappointed.
It’s great listing all the other thrashing’s in the tournament but one of the teams even dumped their coach after one game!! They were embarrassed and had some shame!!
Have just learnt that Bazs contract doesn’t actually expire at the end of this tournament but rather at the end of this year so even in the best case scenario we have possibly six more games with his coaching master class.
Should we dump Baze now and hope someone decent out there is okay with 3.5 years of friendlies and dull OFC qualifiers. 3.5 yrs is a long time in a coach’s career to play less than 6 competitive games
Or give a caretaker like say Simon Elliott 18 mths, and then try lock in that top international coach giving them 2 years and the WC itself. Might have a better sort of getting a top dog with the 2nd scenario
I actually emailed the NZ CEO, about NZF’s plan to try get into the CONCACAF Gold Cup and/or similar
He unexpectedly replied saying yes NZF were in talks with other Confeds re different tourney options. Pretty much what he also said to Steve and Seamus on their Between 2 Goals podcast. They are at least trying to find the AWs some badly needed tough competitive matches
Thanks Coochiee for emailing NZF, regardless of opinions we need people to continue to question what the NZF plans are going forward for the AWs.
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After the confed cup in 2009, we we told by FIFA, and i believe funded as well, to add technical expertise to our coaching team. Ricki added Raul Blanco, who had been involved with the Socceroos since 1981 and I believe was on several FIFA technical committees. We switched up our playing style to play to our strengths and deployed the tactic in a 3-4-3 (7-3-0 lol). We also had Nellie and Elliott bossing it. Nellie even brought in the Blackburn Rovers kitman. Ricki was open minded enough to let others have geneuine input.
This time around, it's hard to deny that we were under done on the coaching side experience wise. Baze was last choice and I'm not aware of anything that any of our assistants have achieved. And the World Cup is next level gravy. The players had a big say in the playing style, but none of them are Ryan Nelsen.
It would have been nice to be that team who surprised everyone, but I don't think we ever had the quality in any department to make that happen. And worryingly like others have said we have large organisational flaws on the pitch.
I agree with Coochie that's it's not viable to attract a top coach for four years of our itinery. So I think we need to do a Hiddink; qualify under a Baze equivalent, who then steps back for the next World Cup proper.. Our unique situation in Oceania should make this viable. And there's no excuse not to get expertise in for the finals, there's a large pool of coaches of the required standard available. We'd just need to pick the right personality and make sure we don't get another Heraf, i.e. you're here to coach a team for a year, not to change the fabric of our footballing environment.
This time around, it's hard to deny that we were under done on the coaching side experience wise. Baze was last choice and I'm not aware of anything that any of our assistants have achieved. And the World Cup is next level gravy. The players had a big say in the playing style, but none of them are Ryan Nelsen.
It would have been nice to be that team who surprised everyone, but I don't think we ever had the quality in any department to make that happen. And worryingly like others have said we have large organisational flaws on the pitch.
I agree with Coochie that's it's not viable to attract a top coach for four years of our itinery. So I think we need to do a Hiddink; qualify under a Baze equivalent, who then steps back for the next World Cup proper.. Our unique situation in Oceania should make this viable. And there's no excuse not to get expertise in for the finals, there's a large pool of coaches of the required standard available. We'd just need to pick the right personality and make sure we don't get another Heraf, i.e. you're here to coach a team for a year, not to change the fabric of our footballing environment.
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MetalLegNZ wrote:
People on here are stupid as fudge sorry.
Thomas was poor, yes. But for peole to call-out his quality is bonkers. He plays in a league regularly that most nz players can only dream about.
We are NZ you Muppets. Not England, not Spain, not France... we are the low of the low who qualified because we are the best of a shit bunch.
Pull your heads in. Get a little perspective and reality in you and shut up.
Based on comments, you'd think we were a chance to win!
No but certain players did not play up to their standards nor potential. Nor did they get used in their best positions by a coach who is as useful as a condom with the tip cut off, who insisted on playing a negative defensive style putting ourselves under unnecessary pressure.
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