Bindon needs to start next game, he's class
All Whites vs Egypt | Mon 22nd June | 1:00pm (NZT) | BC Place, Vancouver
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Arab nations are not always friendly to themselves. Not sure why that would come into it.
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological.
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ir43 wrote:
Came down to Egypt coach made tweaks at ht, changed the game, Egypt were on top there after, Baz never reacted to that, didnt even attempt to shore up the midfield or defence and just waited for them to score, baffling management. Surely Bindon would of been better when it was backs against the walls then Singh?
Crocombe awful, needs dropping not just the first goal, his general kicking and parrying every single shot. Payne is just a terrible player, surely Bindon would be better there?
Singh showed why he has consistently dropped down divisions, a gust of wind could push him over, the weakest footballer I have ever witnessed.
Another winnable game thrown by non reactive tatical changes.
Absolutely, all this throwing our hands up in the air and saying 'theyre too good' is absolute rubbish
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theprof wrote:Colvinator wrote:yeah which is correct according to FIFA rules, but it ignores the clear favoiurtism between arab nations against the rest of the world.observerfromuh wrote:He got appointed to this match because neither team is from the same confederation as him
Why did an uae ref get appointed for this match. The fact that nothing is been called for NZ is so sus.
agree its basically the same confederation. UAE cares way more about Egypt than Australia, Mongolia, Japan etc.
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At the end of the day we have to look at ourselves and make improvements, but I won't pretend there wasn't some serious bullshit going on with the officiating.
We cannot take the same starting lineup into next game, key of which is Paulsen in for Crocombe. Belgium will not be forgiving of poor keeping.
We cannot take the same starting lineup into next game, key of which is Paulsen in for Crocombe. Belgium will not be forgiving of poor keeping.
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valeo wrote:ir43 wrote:Absolutely, all this throwing our hands up in the air and saying 'theyre too good' is absolute rubbish
Came down to Egypt coach made tweaks at ht, changed the game, Egypt were on top there after, Baz never reacted to that, didnt even attempt to shore up the midfield or defence and just waited for them to score, baffling management. Surely Bindon would of been better when it was backs against the walls then Singh?
Crocombe awful, needs dropping not just the first goal, his general kicking and parrying every single shot. Payne is just a terrible player, surely Bindon would be better there?
Singh showed why he has consistently dropped down divisions, a gust of wind could push him over, the weakest footballer I have ever witnessed.
Another winnable game thrown by non reactive tatical changes.
Baz has a to take a lot of that, he has no tactical accumen whatsoever,
Hassan did a number on him that second half.
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The reasons we lost:
- Subs too late
- Baz didn't react to their changes at all - particularly Marmoush going wide, completely destroyed us
- Crocombe with the worst keeper clanger so far this wc
- Ref wasn't too kind to us
OK, they have a couple of top level players - I think that's a wee way down the list of reasons we lost
- Subs too late
- Baz didn't react to their changes at all - particularly Marmoush going wide, completely destroyed us
- Crocombe with the worst keeper clanger so far this wc
- Ref wasn't too kind to us
OK, they have a couple of top level players - I think that's a wee way down the list of reasons we lost
a.haak
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Well my argentina View you NZ have been cooked by FIFA an arabic ref vs Egypt , well done. All the 50/50 were against you! Now your oficials from NZ Federación aré idiots !! These margins destroy you , anyway it still depends on you , if you win you get to knock outs, now.
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Their 2nd goal controversial, but the problems started when we weren't getting the layoffs from Wood, and then no 2nd balls.
No possession, and wave after wave of Egyptian attacks. Needed that 2nd goal by mid 1st half, to make it harder for them.
Small thing but sometimes Bell had acres of space, however with his back to goal didn't always see the forward opportunity.
No possession, and wave after wave of Egyptian attacks. Needed that 2nd goal by mid 1st half, to make it harder for them.
Small thing but sometimes Bell had acres of space, however with his back to goal didn't always see the forward opportunity.
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Congrats Egypt. They were clearly better for 40mins of the second half. Unfortunately for us, we were better for the rest of the game but couldn't always make it count.
Thought Bell, Stamenic and Just were very good again. Wood was patchy and seemed to be deflated rather than spur the lads on once the goals went in.
Baz got for the first half correct but missed opportunities in the second to influence things.
Big game against Belgium!
Thought Bell, Stamenic and Just were very good again. Wood was patchy and seemed to be deflated rather than spur the lads on once the goals went in.
Baz got for the first half correct but missed opportunities in the second to influence things.
Big game against Belgium!
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observerfromuh wrote:
We would have won both games with AP. Dude was immense for the nix and AFC and now is rotting in the polish leagues.
Not sure how you can "rot" in what is undeniably a better league
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.
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That was a rough 2nd half, really thought we were gonna pull a win and top the group there. At the very least we aren't out of knockouts just yet. If we can beat Belgium, and Egypt draws or beats Iran we make it through. This next game is going to be extremely important, come on New Zealand!
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sorry all but this ref was absolutely shocking and a ref in close proximity from a diplomatic POV should never have been appointed.
Some of the squad should have also been tweaked but AP and Bindon should really be starting. We shouldn't be starting a RB social media sensation.
also funny that there's more chance of Smith getting game time over Kosta (unless we are 4-0 down against Belgium with 10-15 to go).
Some of the squad should have also been tweaked but AP and Bindon should really be starting. We shouldn't be starting a RB social media sensation.
also funny that there's more chance of Smith getting game time over Kosta (unless we are 4-0 down against Belgium with 10-15 to go).
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valeo wrote:ir43 wrote:Absolutely, all this throwing our hands up in the air and saying 'theyre too good' is absolute rubbish
Came down to Egypt coach made tweaks at ht, changed the game, Egypt were on top there after, Baz never reacted to that, didnt even attempt to shore up the midfield or defence and just waited for them to score, baffling management. Surely Bindon would of been better when it was backs against the walls then Singh?
Crocombe awful, needs dropping not just the first goal, his general kicking and parrying every single shot. Payne is just a terrible player, surely Bindon would be better there?
Singh showed why he has consistently dropped down divisions, a gust of wind could push him over, the weakest footballer I have ever witnessed.
Another winnable game thrown by non reactive tatical changes.
Randall, Just, Old and McCowatt had great runs through the centre. We were a threat.
The starting team had done their job. Let down, I might even say betrayed by not using our full capabilities.
The ref gave us nothing in the second half. True.
But neither did their keeper. He was their man of the match imo.
Bazeley’s good points- loyalty and patience- have worked for us in this tournament, but so have his negatives- over cautious and slow to respond to tactical adjustments.
Dammit.
The starting team had done their job. Let down, I might even say betrayed by not using our full capabilities.
The ref gave us nothing in the second half. True.
But neither did their keeper. He was their man of the match imo.
Bazeley’s good points- loyalty and patience- have worked for us in this tournament, but so have his negatives- over cautious and slow to respond to tactical adjustments.
Dammit.
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valeo wrote:
The reasons we lost:
- Subs too late
- Baz didn't react to their changes at all - particularly Marmoush going wide, completely destroyed us
- Crocombe with the worst keeper clanger so far this wc
- Ref wasn't too kind to us
OK, they have a couple of top level players - I think that's a wee way down the list of reasons we lost
Their keeper?
We go 2-0 up at that point I think we’re a good shout to go 3-0 up.
We go 2-0 up at that point I think we’re a good shout to go 3-0 up.
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ir43 wrote:valeo wrote:its a disgrace tim payne is starting over him
Bindon needs to start next game, he's class
Is that Tim Payne with the assist today who put the corner on a dime for Surman?
That seemed like a training ground move to, so credit where credit is due there.
That seemed like a training ground move to, so credit where credit is due there.
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At the end of the day, all three goals we conceded were our fault. We need to bounce back hard against a bit of a shite Belgium
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coochiee wrote:valeo wrote:Great leap, and some of his weighted through balls were proper class. At CB or RB?
Bindon needs to start next game, he's class
Payne's crossing was okay, and a great corner for Surman's goal.
That cracked me up- the keeper had to be at full stretch and just got there first.
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kwlap wrote:
Congrats Egypt. They were clearly better for 40mins of the second half. Unfortunately for us, we were better for the rest of the game but couldn't always make it count.
Thought Bell, Stamenic and Just were very good again. Wood was patchy and seemed to be deflated rather than spur the lads on once the goals went in.
Baz got for the first half correct but missed opportunities in the second to influence things.
Big game against Belgium!
Yeah a bit disappointed by Wood. The controversial ref calls seemed to get to him, that and the fact he still hasn't scored. Like giving Just an early blast for taking the shot rather than centring to his skipper.
Nellie was undoubtedly more of a follow me, less flustered leader.
Did the Egyptian CB Rabia who came on in the 1st half, do a better job on the Woodsman than the guy who started? He won far less headers, chest downs in the 2nd half, and that was a huge negative.
More than Crocombe's errors, I'd be tempted to start Paulsen due to AP's stronger passing out accuracy. Without that high quality Woodsman hold up play lasting all game (like the Iran match) we lose every time.
Nellie was undoubtedly more of a follow me, less flustered leader.
Did the Egyptian CB Rabia who came on in the 1st half, do a better job on the Woodsman than the guy who started? He won far less headers, chest downs in the 2nd half, and that was a huge negative.
More than Crocombe's errors, I'd be tempted to start Paulsen due to AP's stronger passing out accuracy. Without that high quality Woodsman hold up play lasting all game (like the Iran match) we lose every time.
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I hate football... 😣
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's living in Agadez, Niger. Spending more time in town, Agadez, as bad people in the desert are spoiling the good life.
19/4/26.
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Through lack of exposure to critical and high stakes football we simply don't have the mental fortitude to handle the situations of holding onto a lead in the pinnacle tournament. I'd be getting on the blower to Infantino to join AFC ASAP to rectify that if ai were NZF.
Tempted against Belgium opt for the cricket equivalent of reversing the batting order and giving everyone a game. Waine, Smith, Bayliss, Kosta. They'll play their little hearts out and you can sub the big guns like Wood on if we are still hanging in there with half an hour to go.
Tempted against Belgium opt for the cricket equivalent of reversing the batting order and giving everyone a game. Waine, Smith, Bayliss, Kosta. They'll play their little hearts out and you can sub the big guns like Wood on if we are still hanging in there with half an hour to go.
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Rock Hopper wrote:
Through lack of exposure to critical and high stakes football we simply don't have the mental fortitude to handle the situations of holding onto a lead in the pinnacle tournament. I'd be getting on the blower to Infantino to join AFC ASAP to rectify that if ai were NZF.
Tempted against Belgium opt for the cricket equivalent of reversing the batting order and giving everyone a game. Waine, Smith, Bayliss, Kosta. They'll play their little hearts out and you can sub the big guns like Wood on if we are still hanging in there with half an hour to go.
NZ definitely needs to join AFC by 2034, I'd say 2030 but give us one more crack at a free World Cup appearance.
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The biggest disappointment is that our young players didn’t have a chance to run with a lead already there.
We needed that relay change -pow! Bindon, Old, Randall, Bayliss, Thomas, Elliot to push them back while we still had a lead up.
We couldn’t use crumbing off Wood because their defense was drilled for that. Perhaps we did need Kosta and a bunch of young whippets running in behind, and winning dangerous corners, as we did against Chile, early in the second half.
Well, hope we thrash Belgium 4-1 and qualify ahead of Iran and Egypt! Fever dreams…
Edit: lol on the KFC above. Heating oven pizza for similar reasons…
We needed that relay change -pow! Bindon, Old, Randall, Bayliss, Thomas, Elliot to push them back while we still had a lead up.
We couldn’t use crumbing off Wood because their defense was drilled for that. Perhaps we did need Kosta and a bunch of young whippets running in behind, and winning dangerous corners, as we did against Chile, early in the second half.
Well, hope we thrash Belgium 4-1 and qualify ahead of Iran and Egypt! Fever dreams…
Edit: lol on the KFC above. Heating oven pizza for similar reasons…
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ir43 wrote:
Came down to Egypt coach made tweaks at ht, changed the game, Egypt were on top there after, Baz never reacted to that, didnt even attempt to shore up the midfield or defence and just waited for them to score, baffling management. Surely Bindon would of been better when it was backs against the walls then Singh?
Crocombe awful, needs dropping not just the first goal, his general kicking and parrying every single shot. Payne is just a terrible player, surely Bindon would be better there?
Singh showed why he has consistently dropped down divisions, a gust of wind could push him over, the weakest footballer I have ever witnessed.
Another winnable game thrown by non reactive tatical changes.
Let me get this right? Singh is the weakest Footballer that you have ever witnessed?
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Firstly, best I have seen the All Whites play for a while in both games, while they were still fresh. If they look back, it can engender a belief that they are good enough at this level. We have seen 2 goals scored in a game for the first time, and then leading deservedly at half time for the first time..
Is a win just around the corner??
It seemed obvious that there was a level of tiredness early in the 2nd half. Some of our players are only good for spells. Both Bell and Singh played good first halves, Bell the best for a while, but then they looked spent early in the second. Singh’s lack of game time over the season showing up. Baz should have subbed one or both sooner. Subbing also gives a message to others to lift their game or they will be next.
I appreciate Boxalls experience, but I feel he has looked tired for a couple of goals also.
It has to be all out for game 3. But I’m not sure if Baze has it in him to make the changes.
Is a win just around the corner??
It seemed obvious that there was a level of tiredness early in the 2nd half. Some of our players are only good for spells. Both Bell and Singh played good first halves, Bell the best for a while, but then they looked spent early in the second. Singh’s lack of game time over the season showing up. Baz should have subbed one or both sooner. Subbing also gives a message to others to lift their game or they will be next.
I appreciate Boxalls experience, but I feel he has looked tired for a couple of goals also.
It has to be all out for game 3. But I’m not sure if Baze has it in him to make the changes.
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martinb wrote:
The biggest disappointment is that our young players didn’t have a chance to run with a lead already there.
We needed that relay change -pow! Bindon, Old, Randall, Bayliss, Thomas, Elliot to push them back while we still had a lead up.
We couldn’t use crumbing off Wood because their defense was drilled for that. Perhaps we did need Kosta and a bunch of young whippets running in behind, and winning dangerous corners, as we did against Chile, early in the second half.
Well, hope we thrash Belgium 4-1 and qualify ahead of Iran and Egypt! Fever dreams…
Edit: lol on the KFC above. Heating oven pizza for similar reasons…
Just win vs Belgium, doesn't matter what Egypt and Iran do...we are looking to get that 3rd place spot which will be enough :)
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martinb wrote:valeo wrote:Their keeper?
The reasons we lost:
- Subs too late
- Baz didn't react to their changes at all - particularly Marmoush going wide, completely destroyed us
- Crocombe with the worst keeper clanger so far this wc
- Ref wasn't too kind to us
OK, they have a couple of top level players - I think that's a wee way down the list of reasons we lost
We go 2-0 up at that point I think we’re a good shout to go 3-0 up.
Their keeper's save of McCowatt's flick on header a huge moment in the game.
Lovely ball from Stamenic, great run McC and it so nearly came together.
Lovely ball from Stamenic, great run McC and it so nearly came together.
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observerfromuh wrote:Rock Hopper wrote:NZ definitely needs to join AFC by 2034, I'd say 2030 but give us one more crack at a free World Cup appearance.
Through lack of exposure to critical and high stakes football we simply don't have the mental fortitude to handle the situations of holding onto a lead in the pinnacle tournament. I'd be getting on the blower to Infantino to join AFC ASAP to rectify that if ai were NZF.
Tempted against Belgium opt for the cricket equivalent of reversing the batting order and giving everyone a game. Waine, Smith, Bayliss, Kosta. They'll play their little hearts out and you can sub the big guns like Wood on if we are still hanging in there with half an hour to go.
AFC don't want us
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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coochiee wrote:martinb wrote:Their keeper's save of McCowatt's flick on header a huge moment in the game.valeo wrote:Their keeper?
The reasons we lost:
- Subs too late
- Baz didn't react to their changes at all - particularly Marmoush going wide, completely destroyed us
- Crocombe with the worst keeper clanger so far this wc
- Ref wasn't too kind to us
OK, they have a couple of top level players - I think that's a wee way down the list of reasons we lost
We go 2-0 up at that point I think we’re a good shout to go 3-0 up.
Lovely ball from Stamenic, great run McC and it so nearly came together.
This.
And then Crocombe not being able to do the same for there first goal.
Game changing moments.
And then Crocombe not being able to do the same for there first goal.
Game changing moments.
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theprof wrote:Colvinator wrote:yeah which is correct according to FIFA rules, but it ignores the clear favoiurtism between arab nations against the rest of the world.observerfromuh wrote:He got appointed to this match because neither team is from the same confederation as him
Why did an uae ref get appointed for this match. The fact that nothing is been called for NZ is so sus.
Lol, you dont know the Arab world... Egyptians are seen as poor Arabs by Emirates, similar to the caste system in India.
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I hate losing, but all the finger pointing is unfair.
We have played some lovely football this world cup, appreciate the quality we have shown.
Defensive lapses have hurt, but at this level, with that pace and intensity, it's going to happen to every team at some stage.
We've been good... just not good enough.
We have played some lovely football this world cup, appreciate the quality we have shown.
Defensive lapses have hurt, but at this level, with that pace and intensity, it's going to happen to every team at some stage.
We've been good... just not good enough.
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MetalLegNZ wrote:theprof wrote:Lol, you dont know the Arab world... Egyptians are seen as poor Arabs by Emirates, similar to the caste system in India.Colvinator wrote:yeah which is correct according to FIFA rules, but it ignores the clear favoiurtism between arab nations against the rest of the world.observerfromuh wrote:He got appointed to this match because neither team is from the same confederation as him
Why did an uae ref get appointed for this match. The fact that nothing is been called for NZ is so sus.
We also didn't get much from the UAE ref against Costa Rica in 2022.
Not just the Wood no goal (Garbett did foul in the lead up), but at least one very tight pen shout that another ref would have given.
Not just the Wood no goal (Garbett did foul in the lead up), but at least one very tight pen shout that another ref would have given.
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