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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

no it didn't but i thought we would be better than that to be honest, even with all the changes.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

HarryHotspur wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

gleeson
reid boxall smith
barbarouses rojas mcglinchey brockie
wood ?

the future

the future

I'd take the mumified remains (if the French don't nick them) of Nelsen over Boxall..but apart from that I largely think you might be on to the smallest midfield ever to represent NZ Football

you would have to look at the likes of craig henderson and dan keats to play roles in the midfiled wouldnt ya??

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

HarryHotspur wrote:

The Good: Judas 2; Siggy (forget last minute); Brockie

The Bad: Brown, Killen; Fitzgerald (apart from one good lunging block)

The Ugly: Smeltz;

Out of everyone you pick Fitzgerald? Bit harsh, don't think he was too bad considering

Good: Judas 2
Bad: Everyone else
Ugly: Judas 1

a.haak

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

valeo wrote:

HarryHotspur wrote:

The Good: Judas 2; Siggy (forget last minute); Brockie

The Bad: Brown, Killen; Fitzgerald (apart from one good lunging block)

The Ugly: Smeltz;

Out of everyone you pick Fitzgerald? Bit harsh, don't think he was too bad considering

Good: Judas 2
Bad: Everyone else
Ugly: Judas 1

You think Brockie was bad? Hah.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Was probably the worst performance of the AWs since before bahrain etc....
Understandable considering injuries/ travel etc...

Some class shown by younger players.... Looking promising for the future.. Including clapham, hopefully whom gets an a-leauge contract..

Brown 2 me is very hot and cold.... Either on his game or lost...

looking forward to the strongest AW put foward in the future...

with GK
Reid/Siggy- Nelsen- Boxall/Smith
Bertos- Weemac- Mr X- Brockie
Kosta- Wood - rojas

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Brockie to do a Zullo and become a LB.

To much competition up front and not sold on his wide play as a RM.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

6 Moss - one mere of a mistake otherwise did fine.

6 Siggy - good strength, passing ok, shocking penalty.

6 Boyens - didn't give the ball away as much as usual. Dominated in the air.

7 Boxal - seems more than capable

9 Brockie - played out of position and was solid throughout. Made some good runs and defended well. MOM

6 McG - passing was off, tried hard.

3 Brown - you can't have your captain been invisible.

7 Kosta - worked hard but didn't create too much.

6 Wood - solid work rate (shouldn't be bagged as much, he's still only 20)

4 Smeltz - work hard poor touch throughout.

6 Killen - solid, but did nothing of note.

5 Clapham - passing was off, didn't work hard enough off the ball.

7 Fitzgerald - made a lot of tackles that needed to be made, passing was off though.

8 Rojas -great touches, good passing and running with ball. Would have been a different game had he started.

N/A Mulligan - should have replaced brown earlier.

6 Gleeson - didn't have to do much.

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I thought we did ok but lacked someone in the middle to make things happen with McG playing wide. We hav some really talente player coming through who like the ball at their feet and to play quick 1 - 2 stuff but unfortunately we have a couple players not able to do that.

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Would like to see Marco, Barbs and McG in the middle together at the same time.

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Fitzgerald and Boxall are good additions and can play and Lochead may need to start worrying about his spot with Brockie.

I'm passed disappointed....I'm p*ssed offfffffffff. WTF.
I can't remember a shot in anger in 3 hours.
Tonight again we were woeful....our only saviour Aussie were poor.
Siggy 8 MOM by a country mile.
Brockie 7+ who has never played left back in his life epitomises Herbert's All whites...." unfortunately today boys Ryans not here so we'll have to wing it.....don't let me down even though some of you haven't played competively for weeks but ALL OF YOU MUST be better than anyone back home, apart from Clapham (what's he done for Canterbury this season?)
Siggy, Kosta and Rojas are Riki'e enigmas .... has to pick them on ability but second fiddle to the likes of Brown .... what's that about? Second half against Mexico Mulligan and Siggy were outstanding and gave us a chance. Dave's free kicks and passing at least makes us look like a football team so why bring him on with only five minutes to go? Insulting.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

have 2 say it .... I love my AW's

Cant wait for A-league.... November cannot come quick enough.... End of school forever... and into the goods of the a-league season :D

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

A bit of perspective is needed - how many players do we have out at the moment?? How many players are in their off season and have been for a while??

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Games like this looked in isolation do not tell a huge amount.

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Look at the positives, our best players on the pitch tonight are all under 24 and moving forward thats a great thing especially when you factor Smith and Reid to come back into the mix aswell.

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Touchme please let me know the drugs you're on....I want some.....I need some....or did you watch a different game tonight?

Am I the only one on here that thought Aussie were sh*te or at least very poor.....no way 20 in the World.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Don't torture yourselves. Is anybody even going to remember this game in a year's time? As pointed out it basically amounted to NZ 'C' v Australia 'B'. Some players got some valuable experience which may help us in the future. That's about it.

On the other hand I will never forget the agony and fury I felt when Oz scored that winner against us in the 93rd minute last year.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Some comments seem a bit harsh on Fitzgerald, he did a number of great tackles, although admittedly his passing was a bit off. Rojas was pure class. I could tell from his first touch he was going to be good tonight. But what bugs me is why is Brown even given the captains armband in Nelsen's absence??? He shouldn't even be in the travelling reserves in the form he is playing. Ricki needs to make some better squad decisions in the future imo with players like Keats why must he persist with Brown who has proven to flop at intl level.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Spud wrote:

Siggy 8 MOM by a country mile.

The guy gave away a penalty for a pathetic attempt at a tackle in the box. I know we were shit and awarding a MOM under such conditions is akin to giving out Champions League runners up medals but both Rojas and Brockie were better.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

And I don't blame Brockie for the first goal - responsibility lies solely with Moss.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Arsenal wrote:

Spud wrote:

Siggy 8 MOM by a country mile.

The game was well over at that stage and he was completely buggered. Sigmund always gives 100+% and covered more ground than anyone on the night. Rojas made a huge difference when he came on in the second half but it was only the second half. Brockie did well as a make shift left back but this is not his best position. We desperately need a decent designated left wing back with a big motor asap..... Spud2011-06-06 01:04:06

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If you still think Siggy was MOM 'by a country mile' then we must agree to disagree. I don't care for excuses - the reality is he gave away a poor penalty.

I agree with you on the left wing back point though (assuming we continue with this formation).

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smeltz is possible one of the most overrated NZ players ever??? , captain brown= sh*t, why he is still there who knows. glad bertos is injured otherwise it would have been worse, with Rojas, Kosta and McGlinchey invloved there should be no way back for him. Boxall to keep out the big fairy Vicelich.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Not as bad as I thought. Highlight as other people have said was Kruse trying to injure Siggy by smashing his nose against his elbow, thought he dove for the penalty as well there was little or no contact there.

Positives:

At the Back:

Brockie at left back looked good, he can tackle has good positioning, some ball skills (which I think defenders should have) & pace to move forward like a proper wing back.

Boxhall to me looks like he is going to develop into a very good player over the next few years.

Fitzgerald looked a lot better than against Mexico, still young and raw but will develop.

With Reid and Smith to come back + Nelsen I think we will do ok. If we can get a few more years out of Nelsen to mentor these guys we will have a reasonable back line.

Midfield: this is where we fell down, in saying that with wee Mac, Kosta & Rojas we have lots of potential. Clapham did ok for me, Mulligan didn't get much chance. We need to find a very good defensive midfielder. Brown goes walkabout to much so we need to develop someone there.

Up front: Wood was ok but has a heavy touch, Smeltz is Smeltz, Killen was a bit poor. again we need to find another 1 or 2 strikers I think.

Lots of work for them do do but there is potential there.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I wish Herbert was as "accountable" as Graham Henry and as available. Wish someone had the balls to ask him what Brown does to make the squad let alone captain the side. Its bad enough in the A League when commentators refer to him as a box to box midfielder like Gerrard.

The players people rate on here (Kosta, Mac and Rojas) WANT the ball. they go looking for it. Brown tries to avoid it and if forced to touch it will lay it off to someone three feet away behind him.

The AWs are not good enough to carry a player like Brown but it seems we are stuck with him. I hope it doesnt come at the expense of playing the three players above.

I think Brockie could make a go of it at right back as he is confident on the ball and has some pace but remember the confeds cup in 09 he got shown up big time playing out of position etc. he needs time in that position and cant do it for the AWs 4 times a year when not playing it regulalry elsewhere.. or even a similar role elsewhere..

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

[QUOTE=Arsenal]If you still think Siggy was MOM 'by a country mile' then we must agree to disagree. I don't care for excuses - the reality is he gave away a poor penalty.

And he should have been sent off......lucky the ref was so weak

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

MOM for me was Boxall, thought he won all his headers and tackles and looked assured on the ball at CB. Brockie made a good fist of left back and if we had a fit Kosta, Rojas and wee mac we have a good midfield for years to come if we can just find a Defensive mid to replace brown. Thought all of our much touted strikers were poor though. I know Aussie were poor and we should have done better but as long as we are getting international games and exposing Boxall, Fitzgerald, Rojas, Kosta, Gleeson etc to this level it has to benefit us in the long run. Might be good to play a weaker team soon just to boast these guys confidence and score some goals.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/06/05/timbers-gk-gleeson-gets-first-intl-cap-new-zealand/

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Teza wrote:

If we can get a few more years out of Nelsen to mentor these guys we will have a reasonable back line.

This is where we might not have too much luck. I can only see him coming back for the important games as he tries to extend his premiership playing days. I know he did great things with the guys around and at the World Cup but we need him here for a long time to bring these young fellahs on. It was him that allowed us to get some much credibility out of South Africa.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Teza wrote:

Up front: Wood was ok but has a heavy touch, Smeltz is Smeltz, Killen was a bit poor. again we need to find another 1 or 2 strikers I think.

IMHO Killen is past doing a good job for us. Noticed in the Honduras game [especially] he runs around and doesn't achieve much. We need strikers that have a bit of fire about them at this level. I don't think he does any more.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

A bit of perspective is needed - how many players do we have out at the moment?? How many players are in their off season and have been for a while??

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Games like this looked in isolation do not tell a huge amount.

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Look at the positives, our best players on the pitch tonight are all under 24 and moving forward thats a great thing especially when you factor Smith and Reid to come back into the mix aswell.

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Thank you.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

Brockie to do a Zullo and become a LB.

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To much competition up front and not sold on his wide play as a RM.

When Lochhead is back Brockie would be my front runner for right back/right wing back.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm sure everyone has their own opinion of the game yesterday.These are mine.
Moss was to blame for the first goal, however the two nearest defenders to Brockie should have tried to make themselves available to help him out.
The second was shocking defendind.I have mentioned this heaps of times before.Our coach was one of the best AW defenders and yet we still let in poxy goal from corners.
Third goal was a stupid tackle from Siggy(who was lucky to still be on the field)
Smeltz gave away more fouls in that game than he did the whole of the last season.
Apart from a foul in the first min on Emerton, Brown was painfully invisible.Surely this cannot continue as in effect we are playing with 10 men.
The only guys for me were Brockie,Mac and Marco(he is just class)
The encouraging thing for me is that 10 years ago we would have been able to compete, but as we have a lot of blokes playing in USA, UK etc. we are slowly getting our act together.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Leggy did you mean not able to compete?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5103581/Herbert-sees-potential-despite-All-Whites-loss/

Quote from Ricki
He said he "can't do anything about the 12 or 14 players'' missing from injury. But he felt there were "half a dozen players [from this tour] who are going to be in and around my thoughts'' for the World Cup qualifiers and "probably some who aren't''.

wonder if Brown will be one of the players who won't be in his thoughts?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

That 3-0 loss was a much better one than the 3-0 against Mexico. We actually looked dangerous at several parts of that game, and if our finishing had been up to scratch we could have pulled a goal back and make it 1-1 just after halftime. Would have been a very different game if that happened.

haha yes we looked dangerous, aussie musta been quaking in their boots

if we had scored we would have sat back and played for a 1-1 draw like usual. weak and pathetic.

rojas, so special

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Napier Phoenix wrote:

The only thing I saw to be mildly happy about was how well Rojas played when he came on. With all of these highly touted strikers we can't score, a CB who would struggle in the NZFC and a captain that is invisible. We need to get some wins with this team before losing becomes a habit. There needs to be a realisation that we can't foot it against these higher ranked teams without Nelsen and start again with some lesser opposition.

ah yes our fabled depth upfront which has contributed 4 goals in 7 games

rojas, so special

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

and fuk old man elliott ditching us to play in the states. hope we never have to see his balding dome in a white shirt again

rojas, so special

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

Agree with pretty much everything here, especially on the first goal. You could see Brockie searching for someone (anyone!) to lay off to before he sent it back to Moss, but no-one was moving. Horrible feeling as a wingback when no-one gives you an outlet and you are trapped.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i like your team

what is clear for me is that smeltz, killen, wood, and fallon are similar with a bit difference, my favourite of the bunch is killen because of his work rate

wood has speed

smeltz scoring ability

fallon left foot strong target and tap-ins

i would not play marco on the wing ,

my best team if everyone fit

reid nelsen smith

bertos brown mc glinchey brockie

rojas

Kosta killen

subs

sigmund

lochhead

boxall

boyens

mulligan

clapham

wood

fallon

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

George Kostanza wrote:

Leggy did you mean not able to compete?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5103581/Herbert-sees-potential-despite-All-Whites-loss/

Quote from Ricki
He said he "can't do anything about the 12 or 14 players'' missing from injury. But he felt there were "half a dozen players [from this tour] who are going to be in and around my thoughts'' for the World Cup qualifiers and "probably some who aren't''.

wonder if Brown will be one of the players who won't be in his thoughts?

Yes, sorry George.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

aitkenmike wrote:

Leggy wrote:

For sure, I call it hiding.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I was quite unfortunate to miss the game last night, but from my understanding reading the match report and watching highlights, the absence of Nelson is the biggest problem.

I don't think we are starved for players and I think that Ricki will be quite anxious to see these guys playing some more football as a team.

Biggest disappoints for me was Winston Reid being injured because I wanna see him get more game time, and the penalty given away by Siggy..

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Siggy deserves medal for getting away with twatting Robbie "ratfaced c*nt" Kruse though

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The encouraging thing from the third of the game I saw was that it wasn't as though the Aussies were toying with us and constantly outplaying us. All their goals were very fortunate. Fortunate that Moss had a brain explosion. Fortunate that nobody could be bothered marking Kennedy. Fortunate that Siggy doesn't do a whole lot in the way of thinking with tackles like he made at the end. None of those are major problems with the squad. If Ricki gives them all a yelling at then none of that should happen again.
loyalgunner2011-06-06 18:58:05

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

CboZ wrote:

saw that too!

Ricki's regretting these games now. All the Halberg knockers will be out in force.

(CGW not helping when Andrew Mulligan says they shouldn't got it, well andrew didn't you vote for them)

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Amazing.

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