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26 Feb 07:41
Was too occupied at work today so didn't get the chance to watch the game, but I just finished watching the replay and the goal.

Great work in the build-up and with the assist by Fraser and a tidy curler from Hahn for her first Ferns goal.

Not a bad two game outing for our girls, first competitive matches since Paris, and still early days with Mayne trying to convince NZ Football he's the one for the job.
26 Feb 08:16 · edited 26 Feb 08:18 · History
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NZ Football have confirmed the Ferns will take on Chinese Taipei on 8th April

Last few years, especially in the 2023 WWC lead up a lot of games against teams better than us, and the results showed

Maybe a change of tact now playing sides lower ranked than us?? Possibly a good thing with some confidence boosting wins, and the young players building combinations. 
26 Feb 08:44
coochiee
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NZ Football have confirmed the Ferns will take on Chinese Taipei on 8th April

Last few years, especially in the 2023 WWC lead up a lot of games against teams better than us, and the results showed

Maybe a change of tact now playing sides lower ranked than us?? Possibly a good thing with some confidence boosting wins, and the young players building combinations. 
I'm glad we are playing these opponents - acknowledgement of the fact we are not at the top table of women's international. It's great to play Canada/Aus/USA/Japan every now and then for the experience, but when it's nearly every friendly it's zzzzz. Also didn't help our FIFA ranking losing so often even if against good teams.

In the past we may have thought ourselves as well above the likes of Thailand, Costa Rica and Taiwan, but evidence shows that the gap is not so pronounced, hence they're worthy opposition.
05 Mar 18:58
Did Barry get a run?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

06 Mar 00:03
I take it the fact that it is being advertised by a recruitment agency and not just a job ad on the NZF website indicates that NZF will not be going forward with Mayne.
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06 Mar 00:28
Expect the classic NZF story - "we've searched exhaustively for the right candidate and decided to give the role to someone who knows NZF and the players really well" - and the run of poor performances will continue as we as fans are expected to love mediocrity.

Queenslander 3x a year.

06 Mar 07:26
I was told by a pretty reliable source that interviews were held prior to this last tour... obviously people didn't interview well.
13 Mar 11:56 · edited 13 Mar 11:57 · History
Good pickup. Jenkins is Adelaide's starting GK. She likely automatically goes into even a full strength Ferns squad behind Esson & Leat. 

Last squad against Costa Rica had bench ALW keepers Geo Candy & Brianna Edwards.
14 Mar 00:23 · edited 14 Mar 00:25 · History
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"Mackenzie Barry, Geo Candy, Brianna Edwards, Macey Fraser, and Grace Jale, who were part of the squad assembled for the win and draw against Costa Rica last month, haven’t been selected for this tour due to injury, managing playing time after returning from injury, and a desire to test other players. "

"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

14 Mar 00:54
Never heard of Alina Santos. Radosavljević is an interesting selection. Been out of the Ferns setup for quite awhile.

Still no Leat, Bowen, Stott or Bott. Shame no Macey Fraser, and so not another chance to see her alongside Maya Hahn

Chinese Taipei chance to get a win or two.

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/151302?newsfeedId=2064762

The Ford Football Ferns squad to face Chinese Taipei (FIFA rank 42) next month has been named with two players called up for their debuts.

Adelaide United goalkeeper
Claudia Jenkins, who has started every game this season for her club in the A-League Women, and University of Denver goalkeeper Alina Santos, have both been selected for the first time for the Ferns.

The squad also sees C.S. Marítimo’s
Jana Radosavljević and Lexington SC’s Grace Wisnewski called up after missing out on the last tour. 
18 Mar 05:32
NZF has decided, rather sensibly imo, not to enter the OFC Women's Nations Cup. World Cup qualifying is done separately now anyway.
19 Mar 08:24 · edited 19 Mar 08:24 · History
LT01
NZF has decided, rather sensibly imo, not to enter the OFC Women's Nations Cup. World Cup qualifying is done separately now anyway.

Yes and No, the match ranking for the World Rankings involving "Womens continental football qualifying match" is 3x that of a friendly.  Assuming we were to go 5-0, it might boost world ranking enough to improve seeding at World Cup / Olympic time.  Even sending a squad made up of local players might have been enough.
19 Mar 18:46
Seems like a risk in the hope of getting better teams in friendlies during this window? Not sure why we cant do both. The OFC Nations cup isnt every year right?

Queenslander 3x a year.

20 Mar 03:02
reubee
LT01
NZF has decided, rather sensibly imo, not to enter the OFC Women's Nations Cup. World Cup qualifying is done separately now anyway.

Yes and No, the match ranking for the World Rankings involving "Womens continental football qualifying match" is 3x that of a friendly.  Assuming we were to go 5-0, it might boost world ranking enough to improve seeding at World Cup / Olympic time.  Even sending a squad made up of local players might have been enough.
This is a good point to be honest. We could have sent a domestic U23 side to play.
20 Mar 03:30
I guess all these events cost NZF funds to attend, and is there really much value sending a group of even domestic underage players to a weak OFC event played on bumpy Samoan pitches in July? Can only trust that NZF have made some assessment on what ranking points are on offer.

Flying the Ferns into Costa Rica, Taiwan next month, and presumably somewhere else in July likely considered better use of the International Teams Fund's coffers.

I also imagine this winter in NZ will be quite a bit of local women's football focus on assembling an Auckland FC ALW squad from scratch, and getting them ready for the next ALW season. Plus is a U17 Girls WC in Morocco later this year.
20 Mar 17:08
coochiee
I guess all these events cost NZF funds to attend, and is there really much value sending a group of even domestic underage players to a weak OFC event played on bumpy Samoan pitches in July? Can only trust that NZF have made some assessment on what ranking points are on offer.

Flying the Ferns into Costa Rica, Taiwan next month, and presumably somewhere else in July likely considered better use of the International Teams Fund's coffers.

I also imagine this winter in NZ will be quite a bit of local women's football focus on assembling an Auckland FC ALW squad from scratch, and getting them ready for the next ALW season. Plus is a U17 Girls WC in Morocco later this year.

I bet we're not even paying to go to those places. My money is on Taiwan and Costa Rica footing the bill.
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20 Mar 21:24 · edited 20 Mar 23:18 · History
Rule of thumb seems to be that host covers ‘internal costs’ only ie accommodation when you get there etc. But the travel cost will always be on NZF, whether we play at home or away. Likely assembling the team in Europe cheaper than getting them home.

Basically the cash NZF gets from AWs qualifying for World Cups, is vital to financing all the senior and age group national team programs.

This article from 2012 about the AWs. Obviously the blowout in airline fares post Covid, has made assembling the Ferns & AWs more expensive. They do all fly business now after all.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/football/soccer-all-whites-close-to-game-deal-with-china/ORWA4X4RHCLEAVLQ452WNCNMRM/

It costs about $200,000 to assemble the team each time and one of the things NZF is still working through with China is costs. The host nation typically picks up internal costs in return for the gate while the visitors get a match fee which, in New Zealand's case, can be anywhere between US$50,000 and US$200,000.

This article from 2022. AWs assembling in Marbella Spain (and then that game against Peru), ahead of Costa Rica playoff.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/128752694/nz-football-faces-rising-costs-with-all-whites-as-confirmation-of-home-fixture-nears

NZ Football chief executive Andrew Pragnell confirmed the
total cost of the current All Whites camp was set to be upward of $400,000, but said it was “not an extravagant expense,” because “that’s where the windows are heading in terms of overall costs”.


And an interesting yarn on the costs on the AWs early WC qualifying campaigns 1970-1982. In 1970 we had so little money we agreed to play Israel twice in Israel (rather than H&A) to save costs.
https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2025/03/20/feature-the-costs-and-hurdles-of-past-fifa-mens-world-cup-campaigns/
21 Mar 00:21
Just chillin' until Auckland's ALW squad is revealed?

26 Mar 23:58
Great news, Olivia Chance post baby is back. Signing in Norway same club as Liz Anton.

And Betsy Hassett also returning to football in Iceland post parturition
03 Apr 02:56 · edited 03 Apr 03:01 · History
The Ferns will face the Blue Magpies on Tuesday 8 April at Kaohsiung Nanzih Football Stadium in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, kicking off at 10:30pm NZT (6:30pm local time).

The sides will also face-off in a behind
closed doors training game three days earlier on Saturday 5 April.

04 Apr 02:19 · edited 04 Apr 02:29 · History
Can't see a KO time anyway for the closed doors game (Sunday NZT?). Looks like not on FIFA+ either.

I know this stuff ain't easy for NZF to sort out. But meanwhile in Australia the Matildas are going to play Sth Korea in front of 40,000 at Allianz and over 20,000 in Newcastle. Certainly they are winning off the back of the 2023 WWC.

Sam Kerr back as captain.

04 Apr 06:52
Is the Tuesday night game going to be televised?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

04 Apr 08:06
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
Is the Tuesday night game going to be televised?

It's on FIFA+
04 Apr 08:35
I heard that only one of the two games will be televised (the second one IIRC)

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04 Apr 10:34
I've seen Michael Mayne refer to the behind closed doors match as a training game and the 2nd one as a full international.

Which means to me that the first one won't count towards world rankings points, won't count towards caps, wont count on an official record and probably allows unlimited subs, different length halves etc.

So what I'm getting from this is it's just a one game window in reality
05 Apr 06:24
Same stadium on Tuesday too as things stand...
06 Apr 08:10
The Ford Football Ferns international friendly against Chinese Taipei, set to be played at Kaohsiung Nanzih Football Stadium in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, this Tuesday (8 April) at 10:30pm NZT (6:30pm local), has been called off due to safety concerns over the pitch. 
The move follows the training game the two sides were set to play on Saturday 5 April, at the same venue, also being called off for the same reason.  
The stadium staff have worked to improve the pitch since issues were first raised, but unfortunately, in its current condition, New Zealand Football have had to prioritise player welfare and call off the match, as it is unsuitable and unsafe to play on.
Alternative venues were sought immediately when concerns were raised, but no suitable grass pitch options were available, so unfortunately the match has had to be called off.
06 Apr 09:03
What a shambles.
Not a single grass pitch available there to play a game of football? WTF.
06 Apr 09:04
Well that sucks after the squad travelled all that way...

But yeah I'd rather cancelled games than injured players, the pitch must've been pretty dire for them to make the call.
06 Apr 09:29
What a debacle. Hopefully the Taiwanese carry the total cost of asssembling the team for this window.
07 Apr 08:15
Bloody incredible. I bet the coach and team are spitting. A whole international window wasted.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

08 Apr 01:11
https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2025/04/07/chinese-taipei-officials-issue-statement-after-games-against-ferns-called-off/

In a statement, the Chinese Taipei Football Association explained the background to the cancellation of the games planned for the Kaohsiung Nanzih Football Stadium.

A behind-closed-doors training game on Saturday, and a full international scheduled for Tuesday, were called off.

The statement said: “After many communications and coordination between the two sides, the venue conditions still could not fully meet the other party’s expectations for the quality of the event, and finally, it was regretfully decided to cancel the game.

“After the New Zealand team arrived in Taiwan, they conducted several on-site inspections and meetings with our association and the venue regarding the site conditions, and also clearly put forward suggestions such as re-laying the turf.

“The venue immediately deployed additional staff during the Qingming Festival holiday, fully cooperated with the turf reinforcement work, and tried its best to complete the relevant improvement project.

“However, after an overall assessment by the New Zealand team, they chose not to participate in this event.

“The Chinese [Taipei] Football Association deeply regrets that this game could not be held as scheduled.

“As the only venues in the country that meet international competition standards are the Taipei Track and Field Stadium and the Kaohsiung National Stadium, when the venues were being arranged last year, both locations were unable to provide venues due to scheduled activities.

“The Chinese [Taipei] Football Association would like to sincerely apologize to all fans who were looking forward to entering the stadium to watch the game.

“The Association always takes player safety and game quality as its primary considerations.

“In the future, it will continue to improve the tournament planning and venue management mechanisms, and work with domestic teams to discuss long-term strategies for the maintenance of natural turf fields, hoping to bring fans a more stable and high-quality viewing experience.

“At the same time, we would like to express our sincere gratitude to all relevant units and the Nanzi Football Stadium Management Unit for their active assistance during this period.

“They invested a lot of manpower and resources in a short period of time to repair the turf and improve the venue, demonstrating their support and attention to football.

“Although the deep friendship and exciting match with the New Zealand women’s football team failed to continue, the Chinese women’s football team will now fully prepare for the 2025 Asian Cup Qualifiers to be held in Indonesia in June and the EAFF E-1 East Asian Cup Football Championship 2025 Women’s Finals to be held in South Korea in July.”

Fans who had bought tickets for the friendly international match against the Ferns were invited to apply for full refunds.

In their statement, New Zealand Football say both games were called off for safety reasons.

“The stadium staff have worked to improve the pitch since issues were first raised, but unfortunately, in its current condition, New Zealand Football have had to prioritise player welfare and call off the match, as it is unsuitable and unsafe to play on,” the statement said.

“Alternative venues were sought immediately when concerns were raised, but no suitable grass pitch options were available, so unfortunately, the match has had to be called off.”

Built in 2020, the venue has two pitches, one grass and one with an artificial surface, and has a seating capacity of 1,200.

The stadium came in for criticism after its construction when it failed to meet FIFA certification criteria.

The Ferns match would have been the first international played at the stadium, and the first home international in six years for the Chinese Taipei team.

11 Apr 07:46
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Relevant for us - format change.

Presumably OFC will remain at the 1 automatic spot, but will mean four more teams from around the world qualify. Removes the chance to make the quarters through the 3rd place pathway, but might be good as the next four teams might be closer to us in ability than the sides we faced in France.