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over 1 year ago
theprof
That's about as telling as you're gonna get from Pragnell. You can read into that and see that "players not gelling" is code for some players just not wanting to follow the plan that the coach had (if any) - I'd guess some of the senior players were the ones not gelling - now that they are either injured or not in the squad maybe we'll have some progress.
An I get that not everyone is gonna see eye to eye with the coach, but as a player your job is to buy into the plan and do your best. The coaches job is to set the plan to best fit the players you have. Fingers crossed that we all agree on that plan.....

Wait.....there's a plan?
over 1 year ago
Rusty Dunks
theprof
That's about as telling as you're gonna get from Pragnell. You can read into that and see that "players not gelling" is code for some players just not wanting to follow the plan that the coach had (if any) - I'd guess some of the senior players were the ones not gelling - now that they are either injured or not in the squad maybe we'll have some progress.
An I get that not everyone is gonna see eye to eye with the coach, but as a player your job is to buy into the plan and do your best. The coaches job is to set the plan to best fit the players you have. Fingers crossed that we all agree on that plan.....

Wait.....there's a plan?

Touche

Queenslander 3x a year.

over 1 year ago
Did anyone catch one news sport tonight? Daisy Cleverley is retiring from the Football Ferns and she had some stuff to say about Jitka and general state of womens football in NZ.  
over 1 year ago
Procrastinixing
Did anyone catch one news sport tonight? Daisy Cleverley is retiring from the Football Ferns and she had some stuff to say about Jitka and general state of womens football in NZ.  
Yeah... saying she was "a good age group coach" and lamenting the development of women's football here
over 1 year ago
I'd definitely listen to Cleverley's views on Klimkova.

But state of the women's game in NZ, maybe less so?? She left in 2017 for a US College, well before developments like a Nix ALW team.

Yes she would have been a frequent visitor to NZ since 2017, but the pro pathways have improved, and will improve some more with an Auckland team.
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Just seen this from Bonnie Jansen this morning re: Klimkova & the Football Ferns incident/saga. A lot to unpack here, but could be a bit awkward for Andrew Pragnell going forward, as reading between the lines, you get the feeling the players don't seem to think too much of him. Interesting stuff.

Football Ferns break silence over allegations of coach Jitka Klimkova’s inappropriate behaviour

Football Ferns players expressed concerns to the sport’s national body over allegations of inappropriate behaviour towards a player by outgoing coach Jitka Klimkova.

The players have said this was the incident that earlier this year resulted in a third-party independent employment investigation. After the investigation, New Zealand Football (NZF) cleared the Czech coach to return to work. She then skipped the Paris Olympics before standing down from her role earlier this month.

The complainant told the players that the conduct occurred at the end of the 2023 Fifa Women’s World Cup after they had been knocked out of the tournament and it happened off the field.

Ten of the complainant’s teammates spoke with the Herald about the incident after the majority of the current squad had written formal letters to New Zealand Football (NZF).

The letters are believed to include criticism of the national body’s handling of the matter and concerns about the unprofessionalism of the incident.

One player told the Herald: “NZF have created an environment where players are fearful of reporting issues. They need to take huge strides to improve their safeguarding, which at the moment feels non-existent.”

“This whole situation has been handled poorly, it feels as though there’s been little regard for player safety and wellbeing,” added another.

The player involved has not spoken to the Herald about the incident, and the Herald has agreed not to name the player or her teammates.

In a statement to the Herald, NZF and the New Zealand Professional Footballers’ Association (NZPFA) said the report into the incident was completed by “a highly qualified independent workplace investigator”.

“The parties accepted the investigation findings and NZF took legal advice on its course of action to ensure it was appropriate, making sure to inform the relevant parties to the complaint of the outcome and actions.”

The statement added: “Following the outcome of the investigation, the New Zealand Professional Footballers’ Association, as the representative body of the players, and NZF worked together to engage a restorative process to enable all parties to come together, however, owing to time constraints, this was unable to be completed before the Paris 2024 Olympics.”

A screenshot image, seen by the Herald, shows New Zealand Football chief executive Andrew Pragnell joined a video call with the complainant and teammates. While the complainant was visibly upset, Pragnell had his camera switched off and those in attendance believe he demonstrated little sympathy.

A player said: “I don’t think [NZF] took it anywhere near seriously enough, and I don’t think there was anywhere near enough player protection by a country mile.”

Another explained how dealing with an incident in elite-level sport is far different to most other work environments.

“As a sport and as an athlete, when you’re on a team with the coach, this isn’t a boss that you meet once every two months in a boardroom. This is someone who decides your career.

“They call all of the shots.

“You live in the same place with them, you eat your meals with them, you are with them 24/7 for weeks at a time.”

At one point, mediation was arranged between NZF staff and players in different time zones. However, the Herald understands NZF pulled out at the last minute, with no warning to the team.

The players say their motivation for action was not a drive to have Klimkova fired, but instead to ensure player welfare.

“Our biggest concern was our teammates and how people would feel being in an environment when there was confusion and an uncomfortable feeling,” another player told the Herald.

The Herald understands the complainant reported the incident to the governing body around the time of the Oceania Olympic Qualifiers in Samoa, in February.

Several players noted that from this point, in their view, the handling of the entire incident was poor.

Players were told a third-party investigation would be conducted, but the Spain camp in June would proceed with Klimkova.

When hearing this, one player noted: “We all said, ‘What is going on? Our poor teammates’.”

Discouraged by what they considered to be a lack of action by NZF, about eight players raised concerns by writing letters to the national body.

“We went through all the right processes: we contacted our players’ association, said we are concerned for the safety of players’ mental health and emotional wellbeing,” said a player.

NZF announced on May 26 that Klimkova wouldn’t stay in Spain for the matches against Japan while an “investigation is concluded into an employment-related matter”.

Klimkova’s assistant Michael Mayne was the interim coach for that tour.

Klimkova was set to return for the Olympics, however, 20 days later, it was announced she had decided to stand aside for the Paris Games.

Considering the events that had unfolded, one player said she was relieved at hearing Klimkova would no longer take charge of the side in Paris.

“That’s not an environment I would feel comfortable going into with her.”

Around this time, NZF and the NZPFA hired an external company to determine whether or not the relationship between Klimkova and players was reconcilable.

The group spoken to by the Herald said 20 players and two staff members were involved in a reconciliation process, in which they were asked to write letters and have interviews.

They were told there was not enough time between the interviews and the Olympics to reconcile the relationship or to go through the restorative justice process to mend bridges that had been fractured over the past two years.

Players were told by NZF a restorative justice process would commence between players and Klimkova after the Olympics.

After the Olympics, players asked for an update and were told by NZF a resolution would be announced in the coming days. The players found out about Klimkova’s departure from the team one day before it was announced publicly on September 13.

Players remain frustrated at the messaging from their governing body throughout the year.

NZF’s statement on June 28 that said Klimkova would stand aside for Paris stated: “Klimkova has taken the view that due to concerns in relation to the team environment, her wellbeing, and a restorative process having not been completed, it would not be the right time for her to return.”

Players believe this proves NZF “ignored” the report summarising concerns from 22 players, with one saying they felt that NZF had no regard for player wellbeing.

They also questioned why Pragnell told Jason Pine on Newstalk ZB’s Weekend Sport on September 14 that “there was nothing in that investigation that told me that she was not fit to be a coach”.

Players said this statement was interesting as they feel Klimkova has breached the NZF Code of Conduct.

One player took exception to Pragnell’s comments: ”I would like a CEO who stands up for my team, the players and myself.”

Pragnell also said in the interview: “In a squad of 23 people, there’s 23 different views. I would say we’ve got some pretty diverse views amongst the squad.”

Players told the Herald that they considered this comment misleading, noting that 20 players came forward.

To avoid similar experiences in the future, one player advised the governing body to reconsider how complaints are addressed.

“Anyone who reports something needs to be supported and helped on that journey. [NZF] made it as hard as possible for [the complainant] and she struggled a lot.”

Full statement from the New Zealand Professional Footballers’ Association and New Zealand Football:
In April 2024, New Zealand Football received approval from a complainant to progress an investigation into an incident in the Football Ferns team environment.

A highly qualified independent workplace investigator was appointed who undertook a thorough and confidential workplace investigation, and made findings available to the parties in May.

The parties accepted the investigation findings and NZF took legal advice on its course of action to ensure it was appropriate, making sure to inform the relevant parties to the complaint of the outcome and actions. As is standard in workplace investigations, details of the investigation are not made public and findings are strictly confidential.

Following the outcome of the investigation, the New Zealand Professional Footballers’ Association, as the representative body of the players, and NZF, worked together to engage a restorative process to enable all parties to come together, however, owing to time constraints, this was unable to be completed before the Paris 2024 Olympics.

NZF and the NZPFA have worked collaboratively following the formal investigation and are now focused squarely on the future to ensure the team is in the best place to qualify for, and succeed at, the FIFA Women’s World Cup 2027. We will not be making any further comment on this matter.

over 1 year ago
There are continuing problems with the womens’ side in terms of culture. I really wonder where the problem lies: are there are couple of “leaders” in the squad with influence? Is it a cultural thing within NZF? Is it a gender issue as it relates to mens organisations not understanding what women footballers want? Why is it different between mens and womens football? The team has had both male and female coaches, not sure what sexual orientation they have been or even if that could be an issue.

As an ex administrator, if I was NZF and confident in our processes I would take a good close look at identifying the “troublemakers” (if that is what they really are) and get rid of them, now is a good time. 
over 1 year ago
Surprise surprise, NZF have tried to sweep it under the carpet.
And Klimkova is still working for them.
If 10 players have raised concern about the incident, Id say it needed to be addressed.
Utter shambles.
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Napier Phoenix
There are continuing problems with the womens’ side in terms of culture. I really wonder where the problem lies: are there are couple of “leaders” in the squad with influence? Is it a cultural thing within NZF? Is it a gender issue as it relates to mens organisations not understanding what women footballers want? Why is it different between mens and womens football? The team has had both male and female coaches, not sure what sexual orientation they have been or even if that could be an issue.

As an ex administrator, if I was NZF and confident in our processes I would take a good close look at identifying the “troublemakers” (if that is what they really are) and get rid of them, now is a good time. 

For mine, part of the problem is the administration/.management side of the organisation turning a blind eye to this kind of thing. Pragnell and co have largely ignored or underplayed a variety of complaints over the years and this is what happens.  
A clean out from the top down could well be useful, but also risky.

Queenslander 3x a year.

over 1 year ago
It has been a shambles, but we all already knew that. I don't understand what the players going to the Herald about this now, and the Herald reporting this, achieves. The players could have expressed exactly their dissatisfaction with the process directly to NZF via the PFA and that could have been done internally. Klimkova is effectively gone now and they should all move on
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Napier Phoenix
There are continuing problems with the womens’ side in terms of culture. I really wonder where the problem lies: are there are couple of “leaders” in the squad with influence? Is it a cultural thing within NZF? Is it a gender issue as it relates to mens organisations not understanding what women footballers want? Why is it different between mens and womens football? The team has had both male and female coaches, not sure what sexual orientation they have been or even if that could be an issue.

As an ex administrator, if I was NZF and confident in our processes I would take a good close look at identifying the “troublemakers” (if that is what they really are) and get rid of them, now is a good time. 

It reads like Klimkova had a tanty at someone, which is a dime a dozen in an emotional environment like sport, and a large group of Ferns were overly sensitive to this. It doesn't read like it became physical.

Pragnell might have come across as unsympathetic, if he was feeling "not this same old shark again" from the Ferns.
over 1 year ago
Napier Phoenix
There are continuing problems with the womens’ side in terms of culture. I really wonder where the problem lies: are there are couple of “leaders” in the squad with influence? Is it a cultural thing within NZF? Is it a gender issue as it relates to mens organisations not understanding what women footballers want? Why is it different between mens and womens football? The team has had both male and female coaches, not sure what sexual orientation they have been or even if that could be an issue.

As an ex administrator, if I was NZF and confident in our processes I would take a good close look at identifying the “troublemakers” (if that is what they really are) and get rid of them, now is a good time. 

So much nonsense to unpack here

Founder

over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Does feel a lot like we have been here before. Though the issues with Heraf and Klimkova sound different, there are also similarities. Apparently Heraf told Ali Riley and one other player he would never pick them again. Riley was devastated. But that was just one incident in several for Andreas, who was completely ill equipped to coach a women's football side.

Again why Pragnell appointed Jitka for 6 years beggars belief, especially when she was mostly an unknown commodity. It was always high risk. Then it sounds like he's doubled down, on not handling this player greivance well.

Bit strange how the incident apparently happened at the WWC last year, but the player didn't lay a complaint until February this year.

Big takeaway for me don't appoint a European as coach, who has blunt English as a 2nd language. I don't think it's sexist to surmise that you need strong tact and communication skills when dealing with female players. Language oh so important. Easier to soften a tough conversation with someone if your English is on point.

If the players like and respect Michael Mayne, give him the job to the 2027 WWC, ie a 3 year deal. That's enough time. And he knows the group dynamics.

Tellingly Daisy Cleverly has fired a retirement shot that Klimkova was like a 'junior coach'. So NZF should definitely consult the senior players prior any appointment. But again if they like and most importantly respect Mayne as a coach, the job is his. If not well then gets tricky. 

But I'd be looking more local (incl Australia) than Europe. Obviously NZF have a limited budget (see Bazeley appointment) but try find someone who's known and respected. Like Riley went and contacted Tom Sermanni herself directly after Heraf was sacked. She knew him, and he was a experienced respected figure in women's football. Low risk. I think we are all getting tired of the off field dramas, that further hinder this team with a limited talent pool, of actually improving.
over 1 year ago
Like a junior coach? No half-decent junior coach would have a tanty at a player, even if they'd just got knocked out of a tournament

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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



over 1 year ago
I'd rather we not get a Kiwi such as Mayne - I just don't see someone on the inside actually driving standards and improving this teams performances.

I agree that someone well respected from an English-speaking background, whether that be American, Aussie, British, Canadian, etc. is probably ideal. They need to have a good record when it comes to team culture, but NZF also need to back them.

There's clearly continued problems with the team environment with the Ferns and that they was one incident in Klimkovas' entire time in charge shows it's unlikely she was the root problem.
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Doloras
Like a junior coach? No half-decent junior coach would have a tanty at a player, even if they'd just got knocked out of a tournament

Managers who have been known to have a strop at a player:
Ferguson, Alex
Mourinho, Jose
Manager, Every single professional
over 1 year ago
It really does sound like whatever the "incident" was, it was very minor. And it seems that despite there being an independent investigation, and all parties accepting the findings of that investigation, and despite Klimkova eventually stepping down, the players still aren't satisfied, and apparently want something more. What is it they want, NZF to publicly criticise Klimkova? A public apology? 

What's more interesting is that it seems that the NZPFA is aligned with NZF on this issue, and the players don't seem to be happy with the NZPFA's stance. Otherwise why are they unilaterally going to media, and not via the NZPFA? 
over 1 year ago
Sounds like the PFA are worse at listening than NZF.
Because more people hated Klimkova for being incompetent than liked her, Pragnall chucking a smoke bomb and basically siding with her would have got the players fired up. Fair play to them. Terribly handled by NZF who had the (kind of) resignation and should have chucked her under the bus more instead of proclaiming she was great (but didn’t talk her out of it)

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over 1 year ago
Feverish
Sounds like the PFA are worse at listening than NZF.
Because more people hated Klimkova for being incompetent than liked her, Pragnall chucking a smoke bomb and basically siding with her would have got the players fired up. Fair play to them. Terribly handled by NZF who had the (kind of) resignation and should have chucked her under the bus more instead of proclaiming she was great (but didn’t talk her out of it)
Yeah, how dare Pragnell not bow down to the players?

Klimkova wasn't a good enough coach for this level but that doesn't mean NZF should throw her under the bus for things that are dubious.
over 1 year ago
I thought that article was a bunch of nothing, it didn't really tell anything we didn't already know. I had to re-read it as I assumed I'd missed something, especially as she said 'the NZH have decided not to disclose names'.

Yawn

"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

over 1 year ago
Rusty Dunks
Doloras
Like a junior coach? No half-decent junior coach would have a tanty at a player, even if they'd just got knocked out of a tournament

Managers who have been known to have a strop at a player:
Ferguson, Alex
Mourinho, Jose
Manager, Every single professional manager

100%. NZF must be one of the only federations where coaching ability comes a poor second to staying onside with the players and the administrators. Hay was not consultative enough and told to reapply for his job.....end result we get a piss poor coach who just happens to be a nice guy. Not sure how consultative the likes of Ferguson, Mourinho, Klopp etc are!  
over 1 year ago
lthomas20
Feverish
Sounds like the PFA are worse at listening than NZF.
Because more people hated Klimkova for being incompetent than liked her, Pragnall chucking a smoke bomb and basically siding with her would have got the players fired up. Fair play to them. Terribly handled by NZF who had the (kind of) resignation and should have chucked her under the bus more instead of proclaiming she was great (but didn’t talk her out of it)
Yeah, how dare Pragnell not bow down to the players?

Klimkova wasn't a good enough coach for this level but that doesn't mean NZF should throw her under the bus for things that are dubious.
 
Nothing dubious about the coach being crap. 
Pragnall probably doesn’t want to play in the next window as they’ve had a guts full of NZF and would stay with their club.

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over 1 year ago
I can see both points of view, too much player power and unrealistic expectations,  versus authoritarian and maybe occasionally aggressive management. 

I think there is more to this incident than we know, so conclude something happened that was unacceptable in any sphere.  I doubt that the ferns squad are a total bunch of sooks. 
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
It's a shame there was no football fever ep with Piney & Bonnie this week, might have heard some elaboration on the story. I was totally fine with the story being over after Klimkova stepped down last week, even if we didn't know what had gone on it was clear that the status quo didn't suit anybody, but this new development is annoying as it brings it all back up again without adding any specifics to the story. 

I'm just struggling to see the public interest in reporting what was reported today. What have we learned, what will change as a result? Nothing. 
over 1 year ago
imanixsupporter
It's a shame there was no football fever ep with Piney & Bonnie this week, might have heard some elaboration on the story. I was totally fine with the story being over after Klimkova stepped down last week, even if we didn't know what had gone on it was clear that the status quo didn't suit anybody, but this new development is annoying as it brings it all back up again without adding any specifics to the story. 

I'm just struggling to see the public interest in reporting what was reported today. What have we learned, what will change as a result? Nothing. 

I asked Piney if there was one this week just this morning, he said 'Yeah mate, recording tomorrow'

"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
I’ve resurrected this account to be the ‘old man shakes fist at cloud’ and ask “has everyone fudgeing lost their selective short term memory???”

Fact - Klimkova was probably not good enough

Fact - she ditched a lot of the old guard

Fact - most people were commenting that no coach had the stones to ditch that old guard. She did

Fact - am I reading above that we should not get a local coach and get an overseas coach to clean out the rot? Um............

Fact - how many coaches have the players fired?

Fact - how many players have tossed their toys and chosen to retire unretire retire

Fact - turkeys don’t vote for Christmas so unCleverly was never going to vote for the coach that never played her.

Fact - the PFA (that’s PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLERS association - the body that represents them) is headed by Spoonley and they have basically agreed with NZF


Question - is this the same Shiela that likes to get on the giggle juice at Madills then do the YouTube commentary? Bonny Janson?

Question: is this then the same Shiela that interviewed her keyboard over the Western Springs Cock n Balls logo saga last year? The same logo that no one had ever heard it referred to that ever? How did that all end up? A big bag of nothing?


Fact - what does the Herald article tell us that we did not know.

Fact - no CEO is ever putting Klimkova under a bus because of contract payout, employment law and the fact that CEOs exercise discretion. That’s how you stay CEO and get your next gig.

Fact - Pragnell does give a fudge about it because they have seen this
shark before.

Fact - Paul Temple? Are we that fudgeing desperate? Temple had his own problems with players that ‘didn’t want to play’ for him at the Phoenix.


Fact - no decent coach will touch this team when they jump on Google and do a little homework as see that they are uncoachable.

I bet you none of these players have issues at their club because it does not affect their livelihood to be a moaner at FF level. The coach just moves to the next person on the bench in club land and your contract does not get renewed. They get on with the job of being *gasp* a player

Well done team. Coachingwise, you are about to inherit exactly what you have sewed. A stream pile of dog turd

Grumpy old bastard alert

over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
I liked that Vader rant, but I must point out that at least one of those facts should be referenced as a question. #grammarpolice

The journalist is FB friends with at least a dozen Ferns.....
over 1 year ago
Can someone help me please? 

I don’t understand what has happened. What was the complaint about the head coach from a player that has the support of most of the team?

"It will be hosted in Wellington. My balls my word"

3/7/2013

"McGlinchey is ours ! My balls my word."

5/8/2014

over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
It's blunt rant, and sheila (e before i) is a word that belongs in the dark ages, but there are likely some home truths amongst it as well.
over 1 year ago
nufc_nz
Can someone help me please? 

I don’t understand what has happened. What was the complaint about the head coach from a player that has the support of most of the team?

Go up further and read. Someone kindly pasted the article in a post.

over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Jeff Vader
I’ve resurrected this account to be the ‘old man shakes fist at cloud’ and ask “has everyone fudgeing lost their selective short term memory???”

Fact - Klimkova was probably not good enough

Fact - she ditched a lot of the old guard

Fact - most people were commenting that no coach had the stones to ditch that old guard. She did

Fact - am I reading above that we should not get a local coach and get an overseas coach to clean out the rot? Um............

Fact - how many coaches have the players fired?

Fact - how many players have tossed their toys and chosen to retire unretire retire

Fact - turkeys don’t vote for Christmas so unCleverly was never going to vote for the coach that never played her.

Fact - the PFA (that’s PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLERS association - the body that represents them) is headed by Spoonley and they have basically agreed with NZF


Question - is this the same Shiela that likes to get on the giggle juice at Madills then do the YouTube commentary? Bonny Janson?

Question: is this then the same Shiela that interviewed her keyboard over the Western Springs Cock n Balls logo saga last year? The same logo that no one had ever heard it referred to that ever? How did that all end up? A big bag of nothing?


Fact - what does the Herald article tell us that we did not know.

Fact - no CEO is ever putting Klimkova under a bus because of contract payout, employment law and the fact that CEOs exercise discretion. That’s how you stay CEO and get your next gig.

Fact - Pragnell does give a fudge about it because they have seen this
shark before.

Fact - Paul Temple? Are we that fudgeing desperate? Temple had his own problems with players that ‘didn’t want to play’ for him at the Phoenix.


Fact - no decent coach will touch this team when they jump on Google and do a little homework as see that they are uncoachable.

I bet you none of these players have issues at their club because it does not affect their livelihood to be a moaner at FF level. The coach just moves to the next person on the bench in club land and your contract does not get renewed. They get on with the job of being *gasp* a player

Well done team. Coachingwise, you are about to inherit exactly what you have sewed. A stream pile of dog turd

At least 10 of those are not facts at all. But opinion. So its a rather embarrassing rant. If you had stated all those as opinion, you would have had more credibility - at least something to discuss.
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Still, despite Feverish not actually being willing to share what they really know, we still need to talk more about the culture within the womens’ game at elite level in NZ. Is there a problem? What exactly is it? What is the solution if one is needed at all.

Edit: to help the conversation’s momentum.

Do NZ players have problems in other A League clubs? 

The same at overseas pro clubs? 

In the college system in the US? 

Apart from Western Springs, anything similar in domestic football (keeping in mind that WS are a top domestic side).

Do women prefer having female coaches?

Do women coaches get better buy in than what men do with women sides.

I know it was a while ago but several years ago (pro football might have been very limited and in Europe only) but I went to a female age-group tournament for a look ( highschool teams it was and in Napier). I was struck by the number of young male coaches (possibly 100%) and I felt a bit of unease in watching some if them interact with the girls. Nothing overt and I am definitely not a prude, but has anyone else felt a little uneasy? Especially through a female lens would be interesting.
over 1 year ago
coochiee
It's blunt rant, and sheila (e before i) is a word that belongs in the dark ages, but there are likely some home truths amongst it as well.
Well, he's very incorrect at the idea that the WSAFC women players' revolt went nowhere. While the logo was a red herring, WSAFC have actually rewritten their constitution in response to the issues raised. And half last year's team went to Eastern Suburbs (Bonnie's team? what are the odds?)

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over 1 year ago
coochiee
nufc_nz
Can someone help me please? 

I don’t understand what has happened. What was the complaint about the head coach from a player that has the support of most of the team?

Go up further and read. Someone kindly pasted the article in a post.


That’s what I read, but is vague nothingness.

What’s the complaint alleging? 

"It will be hosted in Wellington. My balls my word"

3/7/2013

"McGlinchey is ours ! My balls my word."

5/8/2014

over 1 year ago
Doloras
Like a junior coach? No half-decent junior coach would have a tanty at a player, even if they'd just got knocked out of a tournament

There's a lot of video evidence of high level coaches world wide that would say otherwise.
over 1 year ago
nufc_nz
coochiee
nufc_nz
Can someone help me please? 

I don’t understand what has happened. What was the complaint about the head coach from a player that has the support of most of the team?

Go up further and read. Someone kindly pasted the article in a post.


That’s what I read, but is vague nothingness.

What’s the complaint alleging? 

Inappropriate behavior - by Klimkover towards one particular player. 
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
Likely getting 2 + 2 = 5, but folks may remember the odd omission of Bott from the Ferns first games in Colombia post the WWC

Klimkova just saying one of Ferns best & most senior players had ‘things to work on’. Was all very strange at the time, and the media picked up on that
https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=388419&tst

Bott only came back into the Ferns for the Thailand games in March
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/football/football-ferns/football-ferns-great-ria-percival-considers-future-cj-bott-returns-to-face-thailand/UHZA77WCYVADDIZOCGW6HPE5QM/

Anyway Jitka is gone (from the Ferns coaching role at least), time to look forward to a new coach and a new start.

over 1 year ago

'Want to chat, Bott?'
'No thanks.'
'I guess you're wired for digital penetration.'
'Um, sorry..'
over 1 year ago · edited over 1 year ago · History
I've listened to this week's football fever ep on this topic.

Piney and Bonnie and Rosie White have more or less strongly compared the Klimkova situation with the Heraf situation, despite stressing that the "incidents" are not the same. 

Also, bizarrely, Bonnie talks about feeling bad about being part of media criticism of the poor performances of the Ferns in recent times, not knowing about these off field issues that the Ferns were dealing with. But her own reporting chronology suggests the problems only started with the incident directed at a single player which happened after the Ferns were eliminated from the World Cup, and I don't think there has been much in the way of criticism towards the Ferns after the World Cup? So is she suggesting that things have been bad under Klimkova for years, and the "incident" was something of a straw that broke the camel's back? 

Obviously, it's hard to know what to think when specifics still haven't been (and maybe can't be) reported. But I think back to Pragnell's interview with Piney about Klimkova's exit the other week. I thought, and commented here at the time, that it was annoying to me that Pragnell was doing his very best to suggest that nothing at all had gone wrong, no mistakes had been made, it was absolutely the right call to appoint Klimkova for 6 years, and results had been good enough, etc etc, and how it was the same old story from NZF, they always seem obsessed with making themselves look good and spinning things in the most positive way and never accepting mistakes had been made or things could have or should have been done better. Anyone who ever listened much to Andy Martin or Anthony Hudson will know what I mean. 

It seems I'm not the only person who feels this way, it seems the Ferns are also quite annoyed about it. They are not feeling sufficiently "heard" and I'm not surprised given the way Pragnell sounded in that interview. It would have been so refreshing for Pragnell to have shown a bit more humility and paid at least lip service to the idea that some minor mistakes have been made. 

But on the podcast Bonnie suggests there may be more reporting in the coming days, so stay tuned...