How to improve the All Whites leading up to WC 2030?

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5 days ago
MetalLegNZ wrote:
 LG wrote:
Ban the Bazeley Ball style of play. Score a goal and sit back. We have so many players with so much talent yet we continue to have no real game plan other than Bazeley Ball. NZF are wasting the talent they have available. 
England did the same thing against Argentina... nerves play a part. Baz has done fine. 
And that didn't end well did it? Obviously the system doesn't work.
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MetalLegNZ wrote:
 LG wrote:
Ban the Bazeley Ball style of play. Score a goal and sit back. We have so many players with so much talent yet we continue to have no real game plan other than Bazeley Ball. NZF are wasting the talent they have available. 
England did the same thing against Argentina... nerves play a part. Baz has done fine. 
I think we should look at our players and use them to their skill set. Wide wingers or through the midfield, long ball as a very last resort.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

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5 days ago
martinb wrote:
England were happy enough after the Azteca. They were only unhappy because they failed to do it properly against Argentina. And they failed to use the resources that they had in Saka and others.

Low block doesn’t necessarily mean 9 behind the ball and everyone deep in the box. 


 
Bit different when you only have 10 men on the pitch.

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coochiee
5 days ago
Coochiee, you have just made my original point.

1. Comparing population sizes (Denmark with NZ) is not pointless, it's offering you a window of what's possible and what's not. The opportunity is that yes, Aotearoa can create a vibrant, competitive league alone like Denmark. Maybe that's the point with the OFC. Money is a pitiful to most countries around the world, but that has never stopped them from having a go at developing a solid League.

2. Christchurch absolutely deserves an A-League team and yes, it would be amazing benefit to the All Whites. But I don't think it's going to happen.....Sorry!....but I'm not going to discuss that now. 

My point is whether there is a 3rd team in Aotearoa or not, the demand for Pro contracts will still outstrip supply and that's why when you hear a pro team is releasing 21 players, young brave Kiwi's should jump at the opportunity. Whether that opportunity is in South Africa or not they should go (if they believe in their talent).

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A 3rd NZ A League club is going to happen.
Pragnell & co, meeting APL chiefs in November (India game at Te Kaha) to basically discuss the timeline of when.

NZ will never have a full professional football league of it's own. Just not enough money or talent in the country to make it ever work.

Even rugby as the number 1 sport can't. Most NPC players either study, work part time or have that Super Rugby contract as their main income earner. Super Rugby is basically the ALM, just with the NZ teams the dominant clubs. Most of the provinical unions need a NZ Rugby handout to operate.

The best likely pyramid model for football in NZ is -
National League clubs/A League academies/US Colleges - OFC Pro League - A League clubs x3 - best to head off overseas

With yes some trying their luck outside of that pathway by heading off to Europe as young teenagers. But few of them ever really do well. 
The Woodsman an obvious outlier. Tuiloma sort of another. Most of the ex Ole contingent played little NL, but they did go through a top Academy at the time. 
I'm sure there are others. But it is a tougher pathway to cracking the pro scene.
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du
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There are many discussions from different investment groups going on. That's good, but it's not signed and sealed. If it happens great but let's see.

I'm talking about "possibility' which doesn't have a clearly defined time line. Will it be the Danish Superliga? No but it doesn't have to be. What Aotearoa football environment going to be in 20 or 30 years time? I don't know but the trend lines tell everybody that it's going to be very popular sport with more kids wanting to play and go pro. And once again, looking at the population size, what's the "possibility"?

If you had asked anyone from Aotearoa or Oz in the mid 80's about having a pro soccer league. That person would have given a few choice words and told you "there's no money". Today we have the ALM and OFC Pro. To have an OFC Pro was even more improbable, but here it is. Are the players given enough moolah to sleep on a bed of gold of course not, but they are given. And that's pro by definition. Danish Superliga pro? Nobody is saying that but the possibilities in future could be closer.

I'm glad that you finally agreeing to my original point. The "few" players that move outside of Europe is all the AW will need. But the "need" for opportunities is clearly there even if there is a Christchurch franchise. 🤞
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