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Deklan Wynne was born in South Africa. Does he have NZ citizenship? Both passports?

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 10 years ago

Anyone have the info on Deklan Wynne? Was he born a kiwi?.

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago

Or know how old he is. Lol.

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over 10 years ago

Deklan went to my school. He came here in 2009 and was new in my Social Studies class at the start of 2010. You would think he has citizenship, but I personally do not know. How many years do you have to wait to get citizenship?

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over 10 years ago

The fudgeing state of nz football, jesus...

yung thug

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over 10 years ago

CactusJones wrote:

Deklan went to my school. He came here in 2009 and was new in my Social Studies class at the start of 2010. You would think he has citizenship, but I personally do not know. How many years do you have to wait to get citizenship?

5 years i thinks

yung thug

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over 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

Royz wrote:

Total BS! Hudson to go?

Is it really the coaches fault? Piss poor administration

It depends what the ineligibility is?  Haven't heard if it is passport/age/cards...

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over 10 years ago

It's a yellow cards issue?

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over 10 years ago

How would be able to play in an U20 FIFA World Cup without a NZ passport???  the first thing they do at Tech Meeting is have every player stand up and the officials check off the person with their passport...

If he's not a citizen/passport holder, he's done well to get as far as he has so far...

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over 10 years ago

im sure bill is happy that he skipped pre season for this...

yung thug

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over 10 years ago
Wynne is illeligible and got no yellow cards No idea what issue is then


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over 10 years ago

he only played one game prior to Vanuatu so I doubt it's cards...

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over 10 years ago

Guessing there must be different eligibility rules for this tournament than other matches?

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over 10 years ago

Piney saying not yellow cards. Wiki says DOB is March, 95. So it's citizenship and / or passport.

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over 10 years ago

why can I see this being a messy court room battle dragging our sport through the mud in the media a bit more?


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over 10 years ago

So hes got no yellows, has the correct passport,  is within the correct age range. What other reason is there? .... shark hair cut? ?

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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over 10 years ago

Conspiracy theories here please...

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over 10 years ago

didnt we have a pretty bad stuff up a few years ago? not quite as serious but just a silly if i remember.

yung thug

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over 10 years ago

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 10 years ago

Maybe he has a NZ passport under the Refugee act. And is not a full citizen.

Mr Positive

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over 10 years ago

So this is a shambolic clusterfudge of OFC/NZF proportions. 

Did we mis-spell his name on the teamsheet or the registration form or something?

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over 10 years ago

Royz wrote:

Maybe he has a NZ passport under the Refugee act. And is not a full citizen.

You need citizenship to get a passport. Do FIFA require citizenship AND passport, as opposed to just citizenship?

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over 10 years ago

So how the hell does Vanuatu know that he is not allowed to play, but our administration did not.

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over 10 years ago

Global Game wrote:

Royz wrote:

Maybe he has a NZ passport under the Refugee act. And is not a full citizen.

You need citizenship to get a passport. Do FIFA require citizenship AND passport, as opposed to just citizenship?

I thought with FIFAif you weren't born to a nationality you just need to have lived there for 5 years and be a citizen. Seeing as you have to live in NZ 5 years for citizenship anyway, if he's got it he should be eligible.

Did he ever play for a SA team in an official comp?

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over 10 years ago

He's played for the national team, and just completed a fifa world cup... how on earth could he not be "allowed" to play.

Perhaps this is OFC trying to say F you for everything you have said about us lately... or has our vote against Sepp come back to bite us in the arse.

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over 10 years ago

I know NZF have a history of this sort of administration "ahem" error. But I would give them the benefit of the doubt until the challenge process has gone through its course. As someone mentioned earlier, it would be very unlikely Wynne would have been eligible to participate in the FIFA U20 World Cup had due diligence not been done. I have far more faith in NZF than OFC in terms of administration.

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over 10 years ago

There had to have been a tip off involved in this...

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over 10 years ago

This whole thing is soo confusing.

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over 10 years ago

The final nail has been struck.

NZF to join Asia.

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over 10 years ago

Article 7 of the OFC Statutes just states:

Article 7: PLAYERS Each Member of OFC shall respect the decisions of the FIFA and/or OFC in relation to the regulation of the Status of Players and the provisions for their transfer in accordance with the respective regulations.

That doesn't really clear things up.

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over 10 years ago
Competition is not being played under FIFA rules. Apparently.

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over 10 years ago

Surely Fifa's rules on eligibility outweigh OFC's

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over 10 years ago · edited over 10 years ago · History

I think I've worked this out - relevant FIFA requirements:

Article 17 Acquisition of a new nationality Any player who refers to art . 15 par. 1 to assume a new nationality and who has not played international football in accordance with art . 15 par. 2 shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the following conditions : (a) He was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (b) His biological mother or biological father was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (c) His grandmother or grandfather was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 an the territory of the relevant Association.

Wynne can't meet that requirement because he's not 23 yet. He hasn't lived in NZ for at least 5 years since reaching the age of 18. Therefore he isn't eligible for NZ?

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over 10 years ago

Article 7 of the OFC Statutes just states:

Article 7: PLAYERS Each Member of OFC shall respect the decisions of the FIFA and/or OFC in relation to the regulation of the Status of Players and the provisions for their transfer in accordance with the respective regulations.

That doesn't really clear things up.

Looks like a provision preventing appeal of any decisions relating to this matter... 

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over 10 years ago

If it's the fault of an administrator at NZF, I hope heads will roll very quickly....

Why don't OFC name the player concerned?

Not naming the player reeks of a set-up.

Hopeless!

I won't be watching the Final now.

Stuff it! 

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 10 years ago

Wow, just wow!

OFC can't even get the name of the match today correct as I just pointed out to them on their Facebook!!!

This on their Facebook:

Fiji will contest the OFC Olympic Qualifier Semi-Final with Vanuatu after New Zealand was found to have fielded an ineligible player. http://bit.ly/1K1eW7m

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 10 years ago

I think I've worked this out - relevant FIFA requirements:

Article 17 Acquisition of a new nationality Any player who refers to art . 15 par. 1 to assume a new nationality and who has not played international football in accordance with art . 15 par. 2 shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the following conditions : (a) He was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (b) His biological mother or biological father was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (c) His grandmother or grandfather was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 an the territory of the relevant Association.

Wynne can't meet that requirement because he's not 23 yet. He hasn't lived in NZ for at least 5 years since reaching the age of 18. Therefore he isn't eligible for NZ?

But he's not assuming a new nationality as he already has one. This argues he can't have it if he doesn't meet blah blah, but the reality is, he already does have the nationality required to play in the team.

How OFC can say a player who is a full international player is ineligible is beyond belief.

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over 10 years ago

so that means someone moving to NZ at age 14 would need to start a new 5 year stand down period at age 18 as they would have only had 4 years residence prior to that??? surely I'm reading that wrong, I am fairly thick...

this still doesn't establish how he was able to play a FIFA tournament if he was actually ineligible...

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over 10 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I think I've worked this out - relevant FIFA requirements:

Article 17 Acquisition of a new nationality Any player who refers to art . 15 par. 1 to assume a new nationality and who has not played international football in accordance with art . 15 par. 2 shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the following conditions : (a) He was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (b) His biological mother or biological father was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (c) His grandmother or grandfather was born an the territory of the relevant Association ; (d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 an the territory of the relevant Association.

Wynne can't meet that requirement because he's not 23 yet. He hasn't lived in NZ for at least 5 years since reaching the age of 18. Therefore he isn't eligible for NZ?

But he's not assuming a new nationality as he already has one. This argues he can't have it if he doesn't meet blah blah, but the reality is, he already does have the nationality required to play in the team.

How OFC can say a player who is a full international player is ineligible is beyond belief.

He is assuming a new nationality though because he wasn't an NZ citizen at birth and presumably when he was first registered to play competitive football as a kid it wasn't as a New Zealander

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over 10 years ago

TBdFSOE wrote:

so that means someone moving to NZ at age 14 would need to start a new 5 year stand down period at age 18 as they would have only had 4 years residence prior to that??? surely I'm reading that wrong, I am fairly thick...

this still doesn't establish how he was able to play a FIFA tournament if he was actually ineligible...

Yeah I think that's what it means. Which is ridiculous of course, but I can't see how else it could be read.

He might not have been eligible to play at the U20 WC too - it's just that no one ever challenged his eligibility then

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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