All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
Some questions here
How was Tommy Smith eligible? How was Storm Roux eligible?
How was he able to play a full international?
I think that the ruling your posted Conan in not quite accurate cause I believe in the case of Tommy Smith, he could play for NZ cause he did a good chunk of schooling in NZ, same as Wynne. He was in the UK when he made the change so was not currently satisfying that criteria you refer to when he made himself eligible for NZ and WC.
Maybe we have just lost our AW captain?
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Maybe he has a NZ passport under the Refugee act. And is not a full citizen.
They give you a "UN Travel Document" with that written in big letters on the cover to distinguish it from a full passport and it will say your a citizen of Iran, Syria, PNG whatever, not NZ.
As I understand it all the NZ players are elegible to play in the Olympic qualifiers. This is not in doubt and they have played under these rules. However, last night a secret meeting was held between the Island nations (NZ not invited) and they decided to CHANGE the rules and specify that all players had to meet Pacific games criteria which is slightly different to the Olympics! For the Pacific games you have to be a citizen for at least 5 years and on that basis they decided that Wynne was not elegible and booted NZ out.
The semi final against Vanuatu was an Olympic semi and had nothing to do with the Pacific games. So basically they are a bunch of crooks and cheats
He's played for the national team, and just completed a fifa world cup... how on earth could he not be "allowed" to play.
Perhaps this is OFC trying to say F you for everything you have said about us lately... or has our vote against Sepp come back to bite us in the arse.
I recon all of the above mate. Asia here we come.
NZ player eligibility (all teams). Responsibility-buck stops with High Performance Director?
By the way, that laughing you're hearing. David Chung.
So. Much. This.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Remembered when I saw these eligibility rules quoted, in 2013 on here when Durante's eligibility was questioned, for different reasons, but under same set of rules. So you'd think NZF would be very familiar with them. You'd think Hudson would be very familiar with rules given his worldwide search for eligible players (which isn't to be blamed for this, but would indicate him hopefully knowing what the rules are.)
So the question is, WTF GUYS????
As I understand it all the NZ players are elegible to play in the Olympic qualifiers. This is not in doubt and they have played under these rules. However, last night a secret meeting was held between the Island nations (NZ not invited) and they decided to CHANGE the rules and specify that all players had to meet Pacific games criteria which is slightly different to the Olympics! For the Pacific games you have to be a citizen for at least 5 years and on that basis they decided that Wynne was not elegible and booted NZ out.
The semi final against Vanuatu was an Olympic semi and had nothing to do with the Pacific games. So basically they are a bunch of crooks and cheats
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I think I've worked this out - relevant FIFA requirements:
Wynne can't meet that requirement because he's not 23 yet. He hasn't lived in NZ for at least 5 years since reaching the age of 18. Therefore he isn't eligible for NZ?
I think you've nailed it here Conan. Makes me wonder how he was able to participate at U20's though.
If this is indeed the case then:
1. Why didn't NZF check on criteria
2. Vanuatu are a bunch of cods
3. OFC caught in a tricky situation but not applying rational thought.
Surely if Vanuatu could work this out then Myanmar would have done so too during the U20 WC.
I think this is the Island Nations lining up to kick NZ for the comments Hudson made etc as well as knowing full well Fiji did OK at the U20s so might do OK at the Olympics.
Time for NZ to f.o. from Oceania to Asia.
So did he play in earlier games which are also then invalid?
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
Olympic events are contested under the rules and regulations of the global governing body of that sport, so it would still be FIFA statutes that apply.
Steven Holloway lays out the rules succinctly at the bottom of this article:
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
If this is all correct then Wynn wouldn't be the only ineligible player would he?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Steven Holloway lays out the rules succinctly at the bottom of this article:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
What about rule 5, 6 and 8? What (if any) affect do they have in relation to rule 7?
Olympic events are contested under the rules and regulations of the global governing body of that sport, so it would still be FIFA statutes that apply.
Steven Holloway lays out the rules succinctly at the bottom of this article:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
As I understand it all the NZ players are elegible to play in the Olympic qualifiers. This is not in doubt and they have played under these rules. However, last night a secret meeting was held between the Island nations (NZ not invited) and they decided to CHANGE the rules and specify that all players had to meet Pacific games criteria which is slightly different to the Olympics! For the Pacific games you have to be a citizen for at least 5 years and on that basis they decided that Wynne was not elegible and booted NZ out.
The semi final against Vanuatu was an Olympic semi and had nothing to do with the Pacific games. So basically they are a bunch of crooks and cheats
COYN
if it comes down to NZF vs OFC who has the least credibility?
Here is some information you may not know about OFC - don't ask me for my source as i can't reveal it.
OFC's new base at Ngahue Reserve in Auckland has two turfs installed - the company who installed these turfs made several payments to OFC prior to the tender process (which wasn't actually a tender process - IE only this company was invited to quote)
I can't remember the name of the turf company but they are Chinese, and one of their board members/directors is one David Chung
Also the official OFC clothing store (don't know if you have seen their emails etc hocking their gear) is also owned or part owned by one David Chung
If there was more interest and money in OFC the FBI would def be moving south next.
As I understand it all the NZ players are elegible to play in the Olympic qualifiers. This is not in doubt and they have played under these rules. However, last night a secret meeting was held between the Island nations (NZ not invited) and they decided to CHANGE the rules and specify that all players had to meet Pacific games criteria which is slightly different to the Olympics! For the Pacific games you have to be a citizen for at least 5 years and on that basis they decided that Wynne was not elegible and booted NZ out.
The semi final against Vanuatu was an Olympic semi and had nothing to do with the Pacific games. So basically they are a bunch of crooks and cheats
If there is truth in this it smells of typical FIFA incompetency that they allow Island nations to pull this sort of stunt. Football in Oceania sucks at best anyway and frankly, it offers nothing to the world game imo. The sooner we join the Asian confederation, the better. It is not perfect but there are enough heavy hitter nations involved to keep it more honest.
If Wynne is ineligible and it just wasn't picked up earlier then we can't exactly blame OFC, regardless of what's gone on behind the scenes. It's not OFC's job to make sure our players are eligible before they take the field.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
So when is our protest against the ruling being made? We are running out of time
I agree but surely NZF have learned from the past?? I would hope so or are we still living on the back in '82 administrative ethic?
So when is our protest against the ruling being made? We are running out of time
I believe NZ Football are trying to work out how the fax machine works
They tried to make us go to Rio, we said, no, no ,no.
Gutted for the team that sweated in the hot sun for 10 days and got no reward - even having to put up with the joke that Vanautu beat us 3 nil.
Heads up guys. IOC/FIFA sharks!!
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
It is possible that NZF assumed, or were advised, that given his age the fact that he had lived in NZ for five years made him eligible. Either way, if there has never been anything explicitly stated by FIFA on such matters it was a daft decision to select him for any NZ team.
Ok so here is a hypothetical based on Holloways post in the Herald that needs disproving:
John Smith arrives in NZ aged 3 from USA and is now aged 15 and is pretty bloody good at football - catching the eye of national age group coaches. He has no parents or grandparents of NZ decent and was not born here. Is it being posed that even though he is has lived here pretty much his whole life and for all intents is a Kiwi, he cannot play for NZ for another 8 years until he hits 23?
If this is the case then there will be a lot of people in trouble. Surely this cannot be correct.
Grumpy old bastard alert
It is possible that NZF assumed, or were advised, that given his age the fact that he had lived in NZ for five years made him eligible. Either way, if there has never been anything explicitly stated by FIFA on such matters it was a daft decision to select him for any NZ team.
Grumpy old bastard alert
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it. Do they still quality for the all whites U23 team?
According to the wording of that statute being quoted, no. He can't play for NZ until he is 23, and that is assuming he doesn't go to play overseas at all in the meantime. Unless there is another statute out there that applies to players who moved to a country before the age of 18, then he is ineligible for NZ.
Ok so here is a hypothetical based on Holloways post in the Herald that needs disproving:
John Smith arrives in NZ aged 3 from USA and is now aged 15 and is pretty bloody good at football - catching the eye of national age group coaches. He has no parents or grandparents of NZ decent and was not born here. Is it being posed that even though he is has lived here pretty much his whole life and for all intents is a Kiwi, he cannot play for NZ for another 8 years until he hits 23?
If this is the case then there will be a lot of people in trouble. Surely this cannot be correct.
http://www.espnfc.us/united-states/story/2447973/g...
His situation is not different to Wynne's - in fact, it is even worse because he had played age group football for Germany. He doesn't meet any of those 4 points outlined in the statutes either. So either FIFA cleared Zalalem and they actually shouldn't have under their own regulations, or Wynne should be eligible too. Unless we never got official FIFA clearance for it or something.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I remember that De Vries couldn't play for NZ until recently (he was from South Africa)...he was in line for last Olympics but then that rule came up...however this is far more confusing since Wynne was given the ok to play in recent Under 20s World Cup. I guess someone like Berhanu Taye would be in the same boat then as well, or basically any refugee...something seems wrong with that rule...so the Afghani lad Ahmad Mohammadi (who is in the under 17 training squad) won't be able to play for NZ under 17s either then...
According to the wording of that statute being quoted, no. He can't play for NZ until he is 23, and that is assuming he doesn't go to play overseas at all in the meantime. Unless there is another statute out there that applies to players who moved to a country before the age of 18, then he is ineligible for NZ.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Ok so here is a hypothetical based on Holloways post in the Herald that needs disproving:
John Smith arrives in NZ aged 3 from USA and is now aged 15 and is pretty bloody good at football - catching the eye of national age group coaches. He has no parents or grandparents of NZ decent and was not born here. Is it being posed that even though he is has lived here pretty much his whole life and for all intents is a Kiwi, he cannot play for NZ for another 8 years until he hits 23?
If this is the case then there will be a lot of people in trouble. Surely this cannot be correct.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Unless as stated, the pacific game rules for eligibility are being applied here... not football rules.
Which will put Fifa in a tricky position since they ok the tournament being a co-op.
I know a guy that is listed as being born in Singapore. He popped out on an oil rig and was registered in Singapore. Never set foot in the country and has lived in NZ every minute of his life. That would have been him stuffed by this criteria.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Grumpy old bastard alert
Ok so here is a hypothetical based on Holloways post in the Herald that needs disproving:
John Smith arrives in NZ aged 3 from USA and is now aged 15 and is pretty bloody good at football - catching the eye of national age group coaches. He has no parents or grandparents of NZ decent and was not born here. Is it being posed that even though he is has lived here pretty much his whole life and for all intents is a Kiwi, he cannot play for NZ for another 8 years until he hits 23?
If this is the case then there will be a lot of people in trouble. Surely this cannot be correct.
