New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

Surely OFC should not be advertising the change until the appeal is heard.

If we don't get in I'd be pushing for NZ to do an Ireland and bleed $$$ out of Fifa so we can fund an international programme to replace the one this is going to cost us if the decision stands.

If OFC have fudgeed up.

If NZF have fudgeed up then I'd expect whoever oversaw the selection/eligibility process to be publicly pelted with rotten fruit and other organic matter in advanced stages of decomposition.

This is quite farcical. 

Then Storm Roux is also ineglible.

The difference here is I am saying is he has assumed a new nationality already... and is not assuming one. If he carries a NZ passport he is a NZ citizen.

Knowing us, we won't lodge the appeal until way too late, like until after the Olympics has finished.

Perhaps we should enquire into the passports of the Fiji and Vanuatu players etc as well. Good chance there is an overage player or two considering the lack of accurate birth records etc.

It just smells of sour grapes... perhaps Ricki had a quiet word : (

the five year thing came in a few years back after Qatar gave passports to 3 Brazilian guys who they wanted to play for the national team, who had never been to the country before!!  it was a way of getting around countries "buying" players in, and also pilfering teenaged talent from poor countries and granting them citizenship quickly etc...

Mexico can play a guy against the All Whites who played for Argentina U20, scored goals for Argentina U20, was not eligible to represent Mexico at that time, never went to Mexico until his mid-20s, and was therefore technically outside every single common sense eligibility criteria going, but that's fine... we have a kid who migrated legitimately to NZ with his family as a teenager, has presumably met residence and citizenship criteria under NZ law to gain a passport legally, but that's not fine and we're probably out of the Olympics...

fun and games...

Fifa will probably have to get involved and make a call here as this ruling could potentially negate other results around the world.

Problem being, Fifa is not known for its quick responses and clear answers.

Your whole post stinks of sour grapes, to accuse others of cheating because it's been found/deemed that we fielded an ineligible player.

Said in jest.... trying to be a little light hearted given the circumstances.

I think you've nailed it here Conan. Makes me wonder how he was able to participate at U20's though.

Okay, I see (checking back a few pages on this thread).

NZF have released the name of the player concerned but not OFC (they haven't named him anywhere ).

I just googled it and no NZ news organization identifies Deklan Wynn- only a US paper (carrying an "Associated Press" report)!!!

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/f8e4b5aa41c4462b84da1b4fa9f894a9/SOC--Oceania-Olympic-Qualifier

Seems to be international news already (via Associated Press)

Interesting that the foreign media are head of NZ in reporting NZ sports stories...

Haha sorry, on another internet place with less light hearted people, some were giving it this! Always funny when people making comment light heartedly reads so similar to people being serious!

Unless of course, this was already sorted out by FIFA earlier and they did say he was eligible. OFC might not be aware of that decision and are just interpreting the rules differently. That would explain NZF's indignation and certainty that he is eligible (obviously NZF would probably act like that anyway). 

All just speculation of course

This is shocking for NZ Football. I think a head or two should roll as it is just someone that has not done their homework.

If this is indeed the case then:

1. Why didn't NZF check on criteria

2. Vanuatu are a bunch of cods

3. OFC caught in a tricky situation but not applying rational thought.

So I want to know, what were the grounds that New Zealand Football thought he was eligible to play, in relation to FIFA/Pacific Games rules.

If the Olympic games are qualified for via a FIFA tournamnet and the players has played full internationals under FIFA jurisdiction then i cant work out how OFC can operate to rules that would go against how FIFA operates.

Time to leave OFC as far as i am concerned.

If OFC think they're right, and NZF think they're wrong, and there's no agreement reached today with the challenge etc, then perhaps this ends up in the Court of Arbitration for Sport... if it rules in NZF's favour, then a match between NZ and Fiji at a later date if today's match doesn't involve NZ... all of which is a lot of time and money for running around in circles...

Fun and games...

Also he played in the U20 WC didnt he?.  I am sure the Olympic qualifier system is played under FIFA rules so if he is able to play at U20 WC level whats wrong here. Do I have this wrong regarding Olympics and FIFA setting the criteria?

I'm just hoping that NZF got the proper permission from FIFA for Wynn to play for the All Whites and u-20's.

If FIFA gave NZF permission, then he will in fact be eligible for the Olympic qualifiers too...

Which year did Wynn immigrate to NZ?

It would be an interesting exercise to look at the players in the recent u-20 World Cup to see if any had changed nationality and not lived in the new country for at least five years.

Here are all the squads and players on Wiki:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup_squads

After clicking on USA team and then Zelalem I see he actually was born in Germany, immigrated to USA in 2006 and went to Arsenal in 2013  - so he lived in USA for more than five years...

Some questions here

How was Tommy Smith eligible? How was Storm Roux eligible?

How was he able to play a full international? 

I think that the ruling your posted Conan in not quite accurate cause I believe in the case of Tommy Smith, he could play for NZ cause he did a good chunk of schooling in NZ, same as Wynne. He was in the UK when he made the change so was not currently satisfying that criteria you refer to when he made himself eligible for NZ and WC.

Storm Roux played in a 3 Kings Small Whites tournament when he was 9 years old, his family had moved to NZ a few years earlier. I think from memory that they moved to Aussie when he was 14. 

It's been posted on here that the rule is at least 5 years in NZ while being over 18, is there a rule that states just flat '5 years in country'?

A baby who goes to a country when 1 year old and lives there whole life wouldn't qualify until 23 under the eligibility rules we've seen on here, which doesn't seem right.

This whole scenario actually really spells out a bigger situation, regarding NZF and OFC...

NZF criticise OFC setup and decisions, especially in regards to PNG... OFC officials and Local Organisers none too impressed... potential eligibility loophole presents chance for NZF to be taken down a peg or two and lose a precious international tournament opportunity, with another (smaller) OFC member team benefitting ... NZF challenges, protests, maybe takes legal action, but ultimately come out of it angry, frustrated, maybe embarrassed and shown to have some administrative shortfalls... even if the decision is reversed and we play, win and qualify, there's still a sour taste... NZF makes more noise about wanting to leave OFC and join Asia... OFC know that they need NZ to keep their Confederation viable, but also know that FIFA statues are very clear that a country can only change Confederation if they have "exit consent" from the one they are currently members of... so if OFC have no intention of granting that, then NZF are stuck, with nowhere to go and no options for change... meaning NZF either have to take whatever OFC dish out, or not enter any competitions OFC administer - which is everything we want to be in...

So basically no matter what happens, NZ is stuck, with OFC increasingly disliking us and able to do whatever they like ...

Awesome

Cricket dick

It can't get any worse 

And then it does.

It could be some other grounds that Vanuatu appealed on too, it's just that this is the only possible explanation I could come up with through a quick googling.

or NZF fudgeed up and played an ineligible player.

NZ player eligibility (all teams). Responsibility-buck stops with High Performance Director?

By the way, that laughing you're hearing. David Chung.

So Hudson's player search strategy of seeking out anyone with a whiff on NZ connection is fatally flawed? So, he'd have to revert to actually developing Kiwis then?

Remembered when I saw these eligibility rules quoted, in 2013 on here when Durante's eligibility was questioned, for different reasons, but under same set of rules. So you'd think NZF would be very familiar with them. You'd think Hudson would be very familiar with rules given his worldwide search for eligible players (which isn't to be blamed for this, but would indicate him hopefully knowing what the rules are.)

So the question is, WTF GUYS????

It doesn't undermine that strategy overall, they just shouldn't touch anyone who was not born in NZ and also didn't have a parent or grandparent born in NZ. Or FIFA could fix a poorly constructed regulation.

So we are out of the Olympics and the final will be Vanuatu-Fiji? And what if NZF succesfully challenges the decision? The final will be played twice?

As long as they do NTC it's good with me.