New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

Interesting Smithy and as I see it it’s either One or Two below.

One

Somebody squealed and whoever it was had to have the smarts, inside knowledge, where with all, contacts and ability to get the message to the Vanuatu coach or senior official at a major tournament in enough detail to enable Vanuatu to lodge a complaint within FIFA guidelines, in a timely manner, advise on how to lodge the complaint, in a manner that would win and cause major damage to NZF…

Two

Or it was a pure guess and stab in the dark by Vanuatu…

If One is the answer was it another code, was it someone within NZF, was it someone who NZF rejected, was it someone NZF fired…

NZF needs to hang its head in shame for creating a situation where this could happen and maybe a Crawford [Australian 2004 restructure] restructure is needed. Inept, incompetent, negligent in the extreme words actually fail at this level of miss management. Nothing short of a root cannel top to bottom change is needed.

HOWEVER somewhere in the land of the long white cloud, everything points to a willing and knowledge person with inside information in precise detail.. They passed this on and it has done untold damage to the reputation of NZF overseas and I guess domestically as well… Wonders aloud for a fee would the Vanuatu coach or official  say who or maybe an intermediary was used…

To the short list

Was it

Rugby

League

NZF reject

NZF fired person

NZF person not happy in their job

Quite a few lawyers in Port Vila if you walk down the main drag. Tax haven and all that.

Wouldn't be surprised if one of them had a passing interest in football and don't think we should underestimate them 

A great sub plot to this whole shemozzle. Usually the best information comes from  a dissatisfied insider or former insider, so if that was the source, no surprise. I think we need a TV miniseries, nominations of actors to play the roles please:

Hudson -

Wynne -

Herbert -

Sigh

god we suck

damn hobbits

So then why didn't they bring it up prior to the game..?

probably thought they'd win anyway so wouldn't need to..................................................

This email went out to international players today: 

Dear [player]

As you will be aware, New Zealand Football’s Men’s Olympic team was disqualified from a tournament in Papua New Guinea last weekend, as a result of alleged discrepancies in the eligibility criteria of one of the players.

On behalf of everyone at New Zealand Football, I would like to apologise for the stress and concern that this difficult situation has caused the team, management, families and the wider football community.

Our focus right now is two-fold. With the support of our legal advisors we are working hard to better understand the issues around and potential impact of the disqualification of our Men’s Olympic team. Playing a qualifying tournament within another event (in this case the Pacific Games), has meant considerable confusion, which we believe had been clarified in advance of the event. However, it now seems this was not the case.

Over the next few days we will, with the support of our Board, consider our options, including our right of appeal to overturn what we consider a very harsh decision.

At the same time, we are reviewing all of our internal processes and eligibility information to ensure we do not put ourselves in a position where this could happen again. This includes a review of the information we hold on individual players, to ensure all players meet the criteria set out in our National Talent Centre parents and players pack.

If additional information is required from you, Rob Pickstock will soon be in contact. Rob will let you know what we need, and how to go about submitting this additional information to our online registration system. To those of you affected, thank you in advance for your help with this.

As you know, we have been working hard since early 2014 to build a better professional football operation in New Zealand, to support our shared ambition to qualify for and win at World Cup events on a regular basis. While we have made some great progress - evidenced by our Football Ferns and U20 Men making history at their recent World Cups - we still have a long way to go. This week has shown us that we have work to do to ensure that the right processes and systems are in place to protect us from challenges such as this. I want to assure you that we will leave no stone unturned in our efforts to achieve this.

If you have any questions at all please contact Rob [tel:021 APPEALME] or Steven Upfold, Communications Manager [tel:021 SUEME]. We will keep you up-to-date on developments and are here to provide any other help or support you need. Please don’t hesitate to contact us.

We are staunchly focused on our goals and want to assure you that you, our players, remain our top priority.

Yours sincerely,

Andy

Andy Martin – Chief Executive Officer

An interesting response. They really don't know what they're (not) doing.

Oops. Unintentional. Fixed.

Doesn't sound too confident to me.

Fiji has just lost to PNG 2-1 in injury time, hope they do way better in Rio

So Robs been given the job of sorting out this mess.

The question therefore is:

1: Was he responsible for the shark beforehand and has been told, you made it, you clean it up

Or

2: Fred was responsible and is now gone burgers from anything to do it.

Bearing in mind that Rob was a director of an immigration company that has been around for donkeys years I am figuring he may have been tasked with the player eligibility job description to begin with.

Too late, it Was up for a good 20 minutes. I have already texted both of them asking why Wynne was selected against Thailand when he was not a NZ citizen. Signed off as Andy

I will let you know once one of them replies

Seriously? You're trying to qualify for the Olympic football tournament, and you're unfamiliar with FIFA's regulations for the said tournament (and the qualifying preliminary tournaments)?

This thread is becoming very boring. Why don't we wait until there is a result?

You realise that you don't have to read it, right?

I don't. I hope they take monumental thrashings of Micronesia type proportions so FIFA and the rest of the World decide that it is no longer viable to keep Oceania Confederation as a separate Conf.

Reading Martins email to the players is really depressing. It sums up what most of us thought. They really had no clue on what they were required to do under FIFA regulations. It appears that the joke someone made about " yeah, no......he's sweet to play, he's got a NZ passport" is actually true. 

I just fail to understand how full time, well paid managers of a professional organisation can be so incompetent.

I don't, NZ is (in)famous for it's Manager class.

Dick useless don't do it justice.

Regardless of the content of the letter/email, it's good to see them addressing the players at least. Years gone by, it would be silence...

Shut up guys, You're making Leggy bored.

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Anyone know if the FIFA regulations cover international futsal as well?  Just thinking this issue goes back a few years if Futsal is also under the same regs.  Dylan Manickum for example has no Kiwi bloodlines and is under 23 so would fall foul of the regulations as well. 

Should be similar for the FIFA futsal comp but not for the AMF tournaments.

Huh, how can Fiji lose the semi final v New Cal, but still play in the final??? Me confused

Thanks for clearing that up CT

The match against PNG was the bronze medal playoff, they played it because they lost against NC. They played the olympic qualifier too, where they beat PNG in a complete different semifinal and beat Vanuatu

What a fudgeing stupidly confusing format with two tournaments in one. All this angst about Wynne-gate makes it easy to forget what a dumb qualifying path it was in the first place.

Yes exactly the same rules for futsal. In fact the rules apply over all types of football that FIFA regulates.

in light of the 8-team tournament with four semi-finals leading to two separate competitions that some teams can win and others can't, and for all the regulation-whisperers out there...

...for the sakes of an argument (because it's calming down a little too much and I can sense 'Napier Phoenix' and 'Bestie' getting uncomfortable)...

...would Deklan Wynne/Luke Adams/Sam Burfoot/Storm Roux be eligible to represent New Zealand in the Olympics, in the 100 metres?

Yes, FIFA runs the football at the Olympics. But is the Olympics for FIFA's tournament, or is FIFA's tournament for the Olympics? I suspect the latter, ultimately.

But as almost always, especially with the U-23 element - there's arguments either way.

And supplementary question - what is the point of regulations?

Bonus question - does CAS out-rank FIFA? In 'real' terms...

Also - Storm is such a 'kiwi' name...East Coast anyway - guess the giveaway is it's spelt correct.

unfortunately Roux is very much a white South African name as well

Twuntford, is that you?

When does WYNN leave for his trials and have any other u20's got some lined up?

He is off in the next week or 2