All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There's two arguments, the All Whites are a national team so travel the games around (as much as I hate to say it, Christchurch must be due a game soon, surely)
The other is that it's not unprecedented for a national team to have a home, Wembley anyone? I think England occasionally play elsewhere but rarely (really though, do we want to be like England?)
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While it would be awesome if Australia and South Africa were lined up, there are other teams who I think it would be a lot more interesting to play against like, say, Bulgaria, Romania, Canada or Norway for example.  Wishful thinking, yes, but that would be legendary.
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Canada?  For serious?
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zinidane wrote:

In reality Australia would bring in the crowds. But the obvious opposition would be an Asian team. Close proximity makes it easier and cheaper to get them here. A game against Sth Korea or Japan or China would give the guys a great game. Even a second tier side like Indonesia would be OK

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The logic of playing teams like Indonesia appeals to me. I don't think we will improve much by being consistently flogged by big name teams (not that we will have the opportunity to play these teams anyway) and it would be better to play teams that are good enough to challenge us but who we would still back ourselves to beat on our day (i.e. most asian teams). Ideally we could mix this up with the occasional match against a top 10 team and an occasional match against an OFC team who we could smash.

The idea of a tri-nations purely for sentimental reasons also seems a bit stupid to me, although it could draw a few more egg-ball converts
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:

The logic of playing teams like Indonesia appeals to me. I don't think we will improve much by being consistently flogged by big name teams(not that we will have the opportunity to play these teams anyway) and it would be better to play teams that are good enough to challenge us but who we would still back ourselves to beat on our day (i.e. most asian teams). Ideally we could mix this up with the occasional match against a top 10 team and an occasional match against an OFC team who we could smash.

The idea of a tri-nations purely for sentimental reasons also seems a bit stupid to me, although it could draw a few more egg-ball converts


I didnt know we got flogged by Italy, Paraguay, Serbia and Slovakia.
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2ndBest wrote:
Canada?  For serious?


I'd be happy to see us play Vanuatu (though not ideal) so yeah, serious.  A better team I'd welcome even more though.

I'll be honest, was watching some How I Met Your Mother before I posted that and they were rightly hassling one character for being Canadian so that's partly why it came to mind.
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can NZ play England-based friendly matches like Socceroos ??

Australia2:1 (1:1)Jamaica Head-to-Head� 07/09/2003Reading Friendly
Australia1:0 (1:0)South Africa Head-to-Head� 30/03/2004London Friendly
Australia2:2 (1:1)Norway Head-to-Head� 16/11/2004London Friendly
Australia1:0 (0:0)New Zealand Head-to-Head� 09/06/2005London Friendly
Australia5:0 (2:0)Jamaica Head-to-Head� 09/10/2005London Friendly
Australia1:1 (1:0)Ghana Head-to-Head� 14/11/2006London Friendly
Australia1:3 (0:3)Denmark Head-to-Head� 06/02/2007London Friendly
Australia1:0 (0:0)Nigeria Head-to-Head� 17/11/2007London Friendly

Australia2:2 (2:1)South Africa Head-to-Head� 19/08/2008London Friendly

halu2010-07-14 23:01:48
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Phil B. wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/all-whites/news/article.cfm?c_id=117&objectid=10656344
"There have been suggestions a match against Australia would take place in Wellington while any fixture against South Africa would be played in Auckland because of the sizeable South African community."
 
Not Auckland!! No no no
 
Just look at what happened with the Beckham match at Mount Smart Stadium in 2008.....
 
Wellington is the obvious choice
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Aucklands black SA community or their white SA community? Im guessing the latter, who dont really seem to care too much for their national football side. Pretty much all the safas i know have ZERO interest in Bafana Bafana. What a shame

[QUOTE=Azevo]Tri Nations football?

Want to see South Africa in Wellington to be honest. As long as we get a fixture, I'm happy.

Yep. If their was any sense to this logic they would play Aus in Auckland and SA in Wellington, where they could market the game towards the greater African community of Wellington.
AJ132010-07-15 07:24:45
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look at all these friendlies coming up.  Hope we get some confirmation of something soon.
 
 
 
From 01.08.2010 To 31.08.2010
Italy - C�te d'Ivoire Head-to-Head� 10/08/2010 London Friendly USA - Brazil Head-to-Head� 10/08/2010 New York/New Jersey Friendly Republic of Ireland - Argentina Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Dublin Friendly Denmark - Germany Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Copenhagen Friendly Norway - France Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Oslo Friendly Iceland - Liechtenstein Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Reykjavik Friendly Czech Republic - Latvia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Liberec Friendly Ukraine - Netherlands Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Kyiv Friendly Malta - FYR Macedonia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Ta'Qali Friendly Panama - Venezuela Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Panama City Friendly Sweden - Scotland Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Solna Friendly Moldova - Georgia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Chisinau Friendly Mexico - Spain Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Mexico City Friendly Algeria - Gabon Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Algiers Friendly Montenegro - Northern Ireland Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Podgorica Friendly Egypt - Burkina Faso Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Friendly Lithuania - Belarus Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Kaunas Friendly Turkey - Romania Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Istanbul Friendly Slovenia - Australia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Ljubliana Friendly Serbia - Greece Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Belgrade Friendly Malawi - Botswana Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Blantyre Continental Qualifier Chad - Tunisia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 N'Djamena Continental Qualifier Bosnia-Herzegovina - Qatar Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Sarajevo Friendly Cyprus - Andorra Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Larnaca Friendly Angola - Uruguay Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Lisbon Friendly Poland - Cameroon Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Szczecin Friendly Morocco - Equatorial Guinea Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Rabat Friendly Slovakia - Croatia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Bratislava Friendly Korea Republic - Nigeria Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Seoul Friendly Albania - Uzbekistan Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Friendly Mali - Guinea Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Friendly China PR - Bahrain Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Beijing Friendly Israel - Gambia Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Friendly Trinidad and Tobago - Jamaica Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Port Of Spain Friendly Senegal - Cape Verde Islands Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Dakar Friendly Paraguay - Costa Rica Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Asuncion Friendly South Africa - Ghana Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Johannesburg Friendly Kazakhstan - Ecuador Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Astana Friendly Estonia - Faroe Islands Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Tallinn Continental Qualifier Finland - Belgium Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Turku Friendly Russia - Bulgaria Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Moscow Friendly Wales - Luxembourg Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Llanelli Friendly England - Hungary Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 London Friendly Austria - Switzerland Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Klagenfurt Friendly Azerbaijan - Kuwait Head-to-Head� 11/08/2010 Baku Friendly Bahamas - Cayman Islands Head-to-Head� 18/08/2010 Bayamon Continental Qualifier Puerto Rico - Anguilla Head-to-Head� 18/08/2010 Bayamon Continental Qualifier Suriname - Cuba Head-to-Head� 18/08/2010 St. John's Continental Qualifier Cayman Islands - Anguilla Head-to-Head� 20/08/2010 Bayamon Continental Qualifier Puerto Rico - Bahamas Head-to-Head� 20/08/2010 Bayamon Continental Qualifier Antigua and Barbuda - Cuba Head-to-Head� 20/08/2010 St. John's Continental Qualifier Anguilla - Bahamas Head-to-Head� 22/08/2010 Bayamon Continental Qualifier Puerto Rico - Cayman Islands Head-to-Head� 22/08/2010 Bayamon Continental Qualifier Antigua and Barbuda - Suriname Head-to-Head� 22/08/2010 St. John's Continental Qualifier
 
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halu wrote:
can NZ play England-based friendly matches like Socceroos ??

Australia 2:1 (1:1) Jamaica Head-to-Head� 07/09/2003 Reading Friendly
Australia 1:0 (1:0) South Africa Head-to-Head� 30/03/2004 London Friendly
Australia 2:2 (1:1) Norway Head-to-Head� 16/11/2004 London Friendly
Australia 1:0 (0:0) New Zealand Head-to-Head� 09/06/2005 London Friendly
Australia 5:0 (2:0) Jamaica Head-to-Head� 09/10/2005 London Friendly
Australia 1:1 (1:0) Ghana Head-to-Head� 14/11/2006 London Friendly
Australia 1:3 (0:3) Denmark Head-to-Head� 06/02/2007 London Friendly
Australia 1:0 (0:0) Nigeria Head-to-Head� 17/11/2007 London Friendly

Australia 2:2 (2:1) South Africa Head-to-Head� 19/08/2008 London Friendly

they have to look at it, but the problem we have is our squad is split - half on one side of the world and half on the other. either the Euro based AWs have to fly all the way here or the A-League based AWs have to fly there. Bloody difficult to do either during a league season on any remotely regular basis - which means we may have to wait until the May-AUgust break to get any decent internationals (and which time the players are knackered and just want a holiday!)  
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Hopefully Moosecat gets a call up to play Macedonia.Oska2010-07-20 21:09:37
You know we belong together...

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http://www.paraguay.com/deportes/cotizada-albirroja-suma-tres-amistosos-mas-a-su-calendario-37304
Nueva Zelanda el 12 del mismo mes


NZ v Paraguay on 12 Oct ???
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Paraguay would be cool. I'd be up for anyone coming over, but I'd prefer someone top 50.

AJ13 wrote:
Phil B. wrote:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/all-whites/news/article.cfm?c_id=117&objectid=10656344
"There have been suggestions a match against Australia would take place in Wellington while any fixture against South Africa would be played in Auckland because of the sizeable South African community."
 
Not Auckland!! No no no
 
Just look at what happened with the Beckham match at Mount Smart Stadium in 2008.....
 
Wellington is the obvious choice
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Aucklands black SA community or their white SA community? Im guessing the latter, who dont really seem to care too much for their national football side. Pretty much all the safas i know have ZERO interest in Bafana Bafana. What a shame

[QUOTE=Azevo]Tri Nations football?

Want to see South Africa in Wellington to be honest. As long as we get a fixture, I'm happy.

Yep. If their was any sense to this logic they would play Aus in Auckland and SA in Wellington, where they could market the game towards the greater African community of Wellington.


I'm pretty sure Auckland has a larger African community than Wellington who could also be marketed at. Not just South Africans, but from across the continent. And I assure you the white Safas would come out for it, many I knew on the Shore were bigger football fans than rugby. Auckland is definitely appropriate for an SA game and it would definitely sell out. Would be a great atmosphere (as long as the Jarpies keep their vuvuzelas at home). If both games were go, it would be ridiculous to have both games in Wellington.
Footpaul2010-07-22 21:25:13
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I truly hope they dont decide where to play the game based on which city has the largest SA population. Perhaps that would be an important consideration if we were playing China, but otherwise I think its far more important to be thinking about catering to the NZ fans first and foremost.

And personally I am quite happy if this game is held in Akl (or Chch). We have had it pretty good down here and have an entire A-League season ahead of us. We have to spread the love around a bit and Id rather give up a friendly than something more important down the road.
 
Plus, given a reasonable opposition and if we can actually get our European based players back here, I think Akl will turnout in reasonable nos for a one-off game given the World Cup hype and current AWs profile.
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i have heard there is a game on the cards. Vs Good oppo

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Marius Lacatus wrote:
And personally I am quite happy if this game is held in Akl (or Chch). We have had it pretty good down here and have an entire A-League season ahead of us. We have to spread the love around a bit and Id rather give up a friendly than something more important down the road.

Yeah the games have to go to Auckland and Chch, but I think the first one back in NZ should come to Wellington. Let us turn it on again and get the rest of the country hyped for the following games
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halu wrote:
http://www.paraguay.com/deportes/cotizada-albirroja-suma-tres-amistosos-mas-a-su-calendario-37304
Nueva Zelanda el 12 del mismo mes


NZ v Paraguay on 12 Oct ???


New Zealand-Paraguay 12/10/2010
Friendly
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yeah my contact thought they had locked something in - but sounds like there is a very strong prospect of a game, but nothing over the line yet

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Radio sport reported it may be against Paraguay. Most likely.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/3955097/Paraguay-fixture-date-catches-out-NZ-Football

Paraguay on Oct 12th all but confirmed by everyone but NZF. FIFA have it on their site, the President of the Paraguayan FA has confirmed it on Twitter, but NZF say it isn't confirmed, but is likely.

Michael Glading has suggested any match will be held at North Harbour, Waikato Stadium, Westpac or possibly Christchurch, but another nation is still keen on a friendly here as well so we could see a second match during that window. As long as one is held in Wellington I'll be happy.
Robb2010-07-25 05:49:09
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that a good match, i think people would enjoy seeing that

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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Herald on SUnday suggesting NZF baulking at 400k cost of hosting. That is only 20,000 people at $20 each. Easy. The Bahrain game generated roughly a million in gate takings.
I hope Glading is just playing hard to get to drive a deal with the Paraguayans bc at that kind of cost (even if its more than he'd like to play) the risk of a blowout is extremely low. People will turn out for this game.
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Will only sell out if it's in wellington... Be interesting to see who the other team Gladings talking to is?? 
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they can get a good crowd for this game anywhere. 25-30k shouldnt be too hard if they bring back our european players. 20k watched the nix in Chch last year, 12k watched boca in the rain the other night paying $50 for the privelege.
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I would be surprised if they were to play at Eden Park. Would be like a smack in the face for North Harbour stadium seeing that NZF is based there.

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So if we beat Paraguay we go through to the last sixteen of the World Cup, right?

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Marius Lacatus wrote:
Herald on SUnday suggesting NZF baulking at 400k cost of hosting. That is only 20,000 people at $20 each. Easy. The Bahrain game generated roughly a million in gate takings.
I hope Glading is just playing hard to get to drive a deal with the Paraguayans bc at that kind of cost (even if its more than he'd like to play) the risk of a blowout is extremely low. People will turn out for this game.
plus the cost of the stadium,flying players over (fallon 1st class with champagne) etc? also skeptical about getting too massive a crowd. would depend on timing,cost and weather.

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So I'm very much hoping for a Christchurch game here.  Marketed right, priced wisely, and with our European big names I think it could do well.

In Christchurch AMI Stadium has a capacity (according to wiki) of 38 628.  If it sold out and was $30 a ticket that would be comfortably over 1 million in gate sales alone - easily making the 400k ML mentioned.  That would be awesome.  I hope another game happens, though.  One here and one in Wellington.

I mean, we got over 10 000 against Malaysia with what was very close to a 'B' team.  In the squad we had Nicholson, Banks, Fleming, Fisher, Old, Pritchett, Webster, Wylie, Smith, and Tinkler.
loyalgunner2010-07-25 16:28:27
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loyalgunner wrote:
So I'm very much hoping for a Christchurch game here.  Marketed right, priced wisely, and with our European big names I think it could do well.

In Christchurch AMI Stadium has a capacity (according to wiki) of 38 628.  If it sold out and was $30 a ticket that would be comfortably over 1 million in gate sales alone - easily making the 400k ML mentioned.  That would be awesome.  I hope another game happens, though.  One here and one in Wellington.
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
Herald on SUnday suggesting NZF baulking at 400k cost of hosting. That is only 20,000 people at $20 each. Easy. The Bahrain game generated roughly a million in gate takings.
I hope Glading is just playing hard to get to drive a deal with the Paraguayans bc at that kind of cost (even if its more than he'd like to play)�the risk of a blowout is extremely low. People will turn out for this game.


I would'nt hold you breath. NZF would only be interested if they know they can make money. They have not changed in 30 years.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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status TBA

exciting, even though it is a Tuesday night.

New Caledonia     -     Tahiti      Head-to-Head�
29/09/2010     TBA     Friendly

New Zealand     -     Paraguay      Head-to-Head�
12/10/2010     TBA     Friendly

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I'm sure they can accomodate 40k at Wellington. Those temp seats can come out more. Soccer field is tad smaller then a rugby field.

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I think it will come down to ticket prices and which players show as to whether this sells out, wherever it is played. $50 with no Europe-based players won't sell out in Wellington, let alone Auckland. If both sides field top teams, than I reckon $40-$50 would be fair. If not it would have to be $25-$30 in order to sell well.

It would be more than fair if Auckland is given a game and a chance to show they can come out to watch football, but I'm not sure which venue would be best. Harbour only seats 20-odd thousand, Eden Park isn't finished and Mt Smart is a bit out of the way. It will be interesting to see where this goes. Wherever it is, I'm there!
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Game should be at North Harbour. 
 The game needs to build on the momentum built up by the world cup performances and that should include giving the kids in Auckland a chance to view their hero's in person.

A dog with a bone :)

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Tegal wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
Herald on SUnday suggesting NZF baulking at 400k cost of hosting. That is only 20,000 people at $20 each. Easy. The Bahrain game generated roughly a million in gate takings.
I hope Glading is just playing hard to get to drive a deal with the Paraguayans bc at that kind of cost (even if its more than he'd like to play) the risk of a blowout is extremely low. People will turn out for this game.
plus the cost of the stadium,flying players over (fallon 1st class with champagne) etc? also skeptical about getting too massive a crowd. would depend on timing,cost and weather.
i understood 400k was an all up figure, including 100k for the paraguayan match fee
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darkhorse wrote:

I'm sure they can accomodate 40k at Wellington. Those temp seats can come out more. Soccer field is tad smaller then a rugby field.


40k is what we can stretch to [and will be at the RWC] but we actually lose money on the temp seating because the cost to install vs the value of the seats is a loss. With the Bahrain game it was worth losing $$ for NZF because they wanted to pack [pax?] out the stadium. RWC has a lot of money coming in from corporates so it's easy to include the loss of the temp seating. It's just not viable at most events.

I'd be surprised to see the game in Wellington though, can see NZF 'sharing' their product with the rest of the country.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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nightz wrote:
Game should be at North Harbour. 
 The game needs to build on the momentum built up by the world cup performances and that should include giving the kids in Auckland a chance to view their hero's in person.
Are you serious?
 
I can see Auckland/ North harbour making a complete dogs breakfast of it.
 
 
 
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Whitehartlane wrote:
nightz wrote:
Game should be at North Harbour. 
 The game needs to build on the momentum built up by the world cup performances and that should include giving the kids in Auckland a chance to view their hero's in person.
Are you serious?
 
I can see Auckland/ North harbour making a complete dogs breakfast of it.
 
 
 
 
I don't see why that would necessarily be the case. It'll all depend on ticket prices and which players come down from Europe. And, of course, also how many of you Wellingtonians come up to join us in the White Noise section!
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