The next All Whites coach

According to some on twitter, Ricki Herbert had  an interview with radio sport today, and he shifted the blame to the players. Anyone have a transcript.

A coach is only as good as the players he has available. Some people here are talking as though NZ was starting on an even footing with Mexico.
Yes no doubt he did a few things that in hindsight didn't work out. But was he ever starting with more than a distant outsider's chance? About the same chance as USA had in the rugby league world cup I reckon.

So there isn't any blame on the players? 

A coach is only as good as the players he has available. Some people here are talking as though NZ was starting on an even footing with Mexico.
Yes no doubt he did a few things that in hindsight didn't work out. But was he ever starting with more than a distant outsider's chance? About the same chance as USA had in the rugby league world cup I reckon.

CEO job.

Listen to the whole interview on radio sport and thought Herbert would make a good middle manager at a small office

somewhere. Highly unimpressive, just rattled off some cliche statements, thought his tactics were right, thought the

nine or ten people in management did a great job, players not so much. Christie was the right choice according to Herbert.

What i got from the interview is that, wednesday  will be sort of same, IMHO it seems he will take a 2-0 loss as a victory

on wednesday. Its going to be defensive again.

Difference is, in soccer a lesser team can sometimes, compete with a better team. How else do you explain New Zealand, drawing with Italy in 2010.

And this happens every time a weaker team plays a stronger team?

Correct. He will be trying to keep the score down. Nothing more nothing less.

Difference is, in soccer a lesser team can sometimes, compete with a better team. How else do you explain New Zealand, drawing with Italy in 2010.

So you accept that we weren't on an even footing with Mexico. 

Upsets can happen. 

On this occasion it didn't. 

Thanks for coming to your senses. 

No but it is arguably far more realistic and frequent to see an underdog upset a heavyweight in football. Honestly, just think about it for a second. When was the last time Russia, Japan, Fiji, Samoa, Ireland, USA, Canada, Romania, Argentina, Scotland, Italy, Portugal beat the All Blacks? Never. 

In football you see upsets all the time.

I honestly don't think Herbert will be this stupid. If what you are predicting has any validity, Herbert needs to man up, take responsibility, swallow his ego and do the right thing. Why on earth would anyone in the world go out with a defensive tactic/mindset and lineup when you are 4 goals behind on aggregate?? It's madness. If Herbert goes out with the same tactic, he's insane. Completely insane. That being said, it hasn't happened yet and I won't jump to conclusions until we know for sure. Still a worrying possibility...

And this happens every time a weaker team plays a stronger team?

Arsenal: I have no idea who those two people are in your last post.

Sorry just spent 30 minutes reading this forum. Wow! Obviously all football people or you would not bother. Having said that why would you give our anti- football media even more fodder to work with.

Most of those pricks sit there sharpening their rugby funded pencils waiting to launch into any sport that threatens the Rugby profile. Similarly those on Radio.

So we lost 5 - 1 against Mexico. Germany lost 5 - 1 against England a few years ago. 5 or 6 goal results happen in the Premier League and all major leagues. These guys a rightly ranked 50 places ahead of us.

Our reaction "Lynch the Coach" "Castrate the players."

Christie a fabulous young man who led us to our first ever Junior World Cup result against Poland, along with Vicilich who at 37 still gets out there in NZ's top club team. Our right back, Tony Lockhead, a fantastic servant of our club and country as is Leo. None had a good game let alone a great one in Mexico, but when called they were there battling. None did not believe it was possible to get a result, they all wanted it and their coach obviously believed in them. 

Can you not remember the immediate positive reaction to Ricki getting involved with the Knights. A Kiwi actually stepping up and taking on a role so many had failed in. Hey! Made in New Zealand on his backside.He also took on the All Whites. He got some positive results. TS and whoever in Wellington saw him as the guy to start the Phoenix and he did so. Not always winning but always there, and at times bloody exciting. We loved them in Christchurch.

Then he delivered us The All Whites, now lets get serious UNDEFEATED at a World Cup. "Nuts" to your one off upsets, Herbet pulled off three on the trot on the worlds biggest sporting stage. That was after outfoxing Bahrain to get there. have you forgotten that night.

To do all this he sold himself to football, moved from Auckland to Wellington with his family. Went overseas on numerous occasions to get the best possible advise and qualifications, chased every possible player with a Kiwi connection.                                                        He has since set a record of results in World Football, using players, the majority of whom struggle to make a decent living out of the game, unprecedented in NZ Football or anywhere in the world.

The timing, having Lord Nelsen ( I live in Christchurch) along with a couple of big kids (panel beaters) with potential, one other football brain (Simon) some really mediocre ( sorry lads !) lower division players and a GK on speed, all determined to be absolute heroes was incredible. He did (just like Adsie and Fallon before him) have to select them. He did (incredibly) devise a plan that worked. No other team in Sth Africa lined up in such an innovative way. Those players got us there. Those players still playing, put their hands up again to play Mexico. He picked them again.

This time they failed (in Mexico), no Nelsen, no Elliott, no Reid, what did you expect. We had our miracle in 2010, not saying we wont get another one (we also had one in 1982). Naïve to think others could step in to replace them, probably, used two players to replace Ryan. Who else would you have picked? Every coach has put their faith in those that have done it before, sometimes it works.

I would suggest he put his trust in some players who have served him superbly in the past. He was not rewarded this time. Who would you have seriously looked to in order to bring on another miracle. Our most talented kid had one good turn and tripped into trouble. neither he nor any of them are world class. Even Nelsen only had a world class brain. 

This was Mexico, a result important to us but essential for them. Two hundred players with more ability than ours to pick from. Sure we could have picked kids and sent them out to play. We did it a few weeks ago against Uruguay. 5 -1 it would have been 10 -1 against Mexico if we had gone out the same way, and we would now hear calls of naïve, too young and under prepared 

Where to from here. Stop all the crap and ask Ricki Herbert for his assessment of what should happen, along with Brian turner they can give us the best informed plan. Then we start again, get into the confederations, get some game time and lets move on.

Unless!!!! Did not we put 4 past Mexico in 1981.

Good Luck on Wednesday Ricki and The All Whites.       

Sorry just spent 30 minutes reading this forum. Wow! Obviously all football people or you would not bother. Having said that why would you give our anti- football media even more fodder to work with.

Most of those pricks sit there sharpening their rugby funded pencils waiting to launch into any sport that threatens the Rugby profile. Similarly those on Radio.

So we lost 5 - 1 against Mexico. Germany lost 5 - 1 against England a few years ago. 5 or 6 goal results happen in the Premier League and all major leagues. These guys a rightly ranked 50 places ahead of us.

Our reaction "Lynch the Coach" "Castrate the players."

Christie a fabulous young man who led us to our first ever Junior World Cup result against Poland, along with Vicilich who at 37 still gets out there in NZ's top club team. Our right back, Tony Lockhead, a fantastic servant of our club and country as is Leo. None had a good game let alone a great one in Mexico, but when called they were there battling. None did not believe it was possible to get a result, they all wanted it and their coach obviously believed in them. 

Can you not remember the immediate positive reaction to Ricki getting involved with the Knights. A Kiwi actually stepping up and taking on a role so many had failed in. Hey! Made in New Zealand on his backside.He also took on the All Whites. He got some positive results. TS and whoever in Wellington saw him as the guy to start the Phoenix and he did so. Not always winning but always there, and at times bloody exciting. We loved them in Christchurch.

Then he delivered us The All Whites, now lets get serious UNDEFEATED at a World Cup. "Nuts" to your one off upsets, Herbet pulled off three on the trot on the worlds biggest sporting stage. That was after outfoxing Bahrain to get there. have you forgotten that night.

To do all this he sold himself to football, moved from Auckland to Wellington with his family. Went overseas on numerous occasions to get the best possible advise and qualifications, chased every possible player with a Kiwi connection.                                                        He has since set a record of results in World Football, using players, the majority of whom struggle to make a decent living out of the game, unprecedented in NZ Football or anywhere in the world.

The timing, having Lord Nelsen ( I live in Christchurch) along with a couple of big kids (panel beaters) with potential, one other football brain (Simon) some really mediocre ( sorry lads !) lower division players and a GK on speed, all determined to be absolute heroes was incredible. He did (just like Adsie and Fallon before him) have to select them. He did (incredibly) devise a plan that worked. No other team in Sth Africa lined up in such an innovative way. Those players got us there. Those players still playing, put their hands up again to play Mexico. He picked them again.

This time they failed (in Mexico), no Nelsen, no Elliott, no Reid, what did you expect. We had our miracle in 2010, not saying we wont get another one (we also had one in 1982). Naïve to think others could step in to replace them, probably, used two players to replace Ryan. Who else would you have picked? Every coach has put their faith in those that have done it before, sometimes it works.

I would suggest he put his trust in some players who have served him superbly in the past. He was not rewarded this time. Who would you have seriously looked to in order to bring on another miracle. Our most talented kid had one good turn and tripped into trouble. neither he nor any of them are world class. Even Nelsen only had a world class brain. 

This was Mexico, a result important to us but essential for them. Two hundred players with more ability than ours to pick from. Sure we could have picked kids and sent them out to play. We did it a few weeks ago against Uruguay. 5 -1 it would have been 10 -1 against Mexico if we had gone out the same way, and we would now hear calls of naïve, too young and under prepared 

Where to from here. Stop all the crap and ask Ricki Herbert for his assessment of what should happen, along with Brian turner they can give us the best informed plan. Then we start again, get into the confederations, get some game time and lets move on.

Unless!!!! Did not we put 4 past Mexico in 1981.

Good Luck on Wednesday Ricki and The All Whites.       

Cheer up guys, Colombia was 16 years failing and failing again, and they have good players in Italy, UK, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Netherlands, Greece, Belgium, Escandinavia, Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, la Suisse,  and Argentina in everyone of the very top leagues.  Uruguay was 12 years without a wc.  A football-mad country like Ireland is now 12 years without a wc, as for  Belgium that was 12 years without a wc.  Embrace the future, get a reasonable and affordable coach,  like the Barcelona coach in your backyard, he  seems tactic-wise, young and can motivate your young talent coming up.

the inmediate future of NZ is bright, just need to play more games, this experience is valuable for some of your 25, 26 years old players to take over the team, the next generation

        the future is here

Keepers  Moss-- Spoonley--Gleeson--Basalaj, Crocombe

DF  Reid, Smith, Roux, Tuiloma, Boxall, Fitzgerald, Fenton, Adams, Musa, Old, Hogg

MD  McGlinchey, James, Keat, Henderson, Payne, Howieson, Clapham, Hicks,

FW  Wood, Brockie, Barbarouses, Rojas, Boyd, Bright, Ryan Thomas

plus add some of the older players to stick around... Durante, Smeltz, Killen, Fallon,

Are you Ricki Herbert?

Yeah checked out SST and HOS football articles at local café. They're not all online yet.

All make good points, but to most of the so called football media (not Danny Hay - as he was onto it) - where were ya when NZ Football and Herbert completely stuffed up the Oceania Nations Cup, and allowed it to be swept under the table. No other country, or their football media would let that happen. And that folks, is where this whole shamozzle started. It was not just alarm bells. It was a big bloody massive red flag. Van Hattum and the NZF operate like Dad's Army, and it won't be long before New Zealand's professional players overseas started asking themselves, if they really deep down want to be involved in a setup like this.

And that is exactly what will happen - their heart won't be in it when they get called into camps. And that will be significant, as odds are, several more of an exciting crop of young players coming through, will be picked up in next year or so by overseas clubs.

Right now - there's no way a top overseas coach with half a brain would come near NZF - more anonymous player mutterings re that this morning. Pity, as with so much good new wave talent already available, and believe me, much more to come, it would be a great gig.

That was my second thought. My first thought was that it is Jeremy Christie's mother.