HAve you seen Sydney play?
I am assuming it is better than the Phoenix played last season, or the AW's played the other day, so it will be an improvement.
haha exactly
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The next All Whites coach
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Herbert looks like football-mad Will Ferrell, the real guy , check when Ferrell talks, serious bussiness about the beautiful game, he said that not being able to be a soccer player was his biggest regret. Another crazy football mad-man is Mike Myers, Colin Farrell etc
This is my first post. I would like to comment on the debacle at Wellington Airport today, but am unable to. Is New Zealand Football now in charge of this website and stopping comment? Are we being muzzled by NZ Football's media guru Paul Gunn?
What a disgrace. NZ Football looks like amateurs in everything it does. Time for the egos to go and best practice is followed. Put aside 15 minutes at the airport for the coach, captain and the most positive player (Rory Fallon) then head to the hotel and kick back. Instead they've embarrassed the game, been heavy handed with media and told everyone there will be media tomorrow. Then backtracked and had to organise media at the hotel once they realised how unprofessional they had been.
And do you know what, the players wouldn't have wanted this. They are the professionals, let down by an amateur management team. This decision would have been made by media hater Brian Turner. Great player but out of his depth in his role as manager. Real jobs for the boys as he is Ricki's best friend. Think about best practice guys and what is good for the game not your ego.
Isn't it your 6th post?
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
This is my first post. I would like to comment on the debacle at Wellington Airport today, but am unable to. Is New Zealand Football now in charge of this website and stopping comment? Are we being muzzled by NZ Football's media guru Paul Gunn?
What a disgrace. NZ Football looks like amateurs in everything it does. Time for the egos to go and best practice is followed. Put aside 15 minutes at the airport for the coach, captain and the most positive player (Rory Fallon) then head to the hotel and kick back. Instead they've embarrassed the game, been heavy handed with media and told everyone there will be media tomorrow. Then backtracked and had to organise media at the hotel once they realised how unprofessional they had been.
And do you know what, the players wouldn't have wanted this. They are the professionals, let down by an amateur management team. This decision would have been made by media hater Brian Turner. Great player but out of his depth in his role as manager. Real jobs for the boys as he is Ricki's best friend. Think about best practice guys and what is good for the game not your ego.
This is my first post. I would like to comment on the debacle at Wellington Airport today, but am unable to. Is New Zealand Football now in charge of this website and stopping comment? Are we being muzzled by NZ Football's media guru Paul Gunn?
What a disgrace. NZ Football looks like amateurs in everything it does. Time for the egos to go and best practice is followed. Put aside 15 minutes at the airport for the coach, captain and the most positive player (Rory Fallon) then head to the hotel and kick back. Instead they've embarrassed the game, been heavy handed with media and told everyone there will be media tomorrow. Then backtracked and had to organise media at the hotel once they realised how unprofessional they had been.
And do you know what, the players wouldn't have wanted this. They are the professionals, let down by an amateur management team. This decision would have been made by media hater Brian Turner. Great player but out of his depth in his role as manager. Real jobs for the boys as he is Ricki's best friend. Think about best practice guys and what is good for the game not your ego.
This is my first post. I would like to comment on the debacle at Wellington Airport today, but am unable to. Is New Zealand Football now in charge of this website and stopping comment? Are we being muzzled by NZ Football's media guru Paul Gunn?
What a disgrace. NZ Football looks like amateurs in everything it does. Time for the egos to go and best practice is followed. Put aside 15 minutes at the airport for the coach, captain and the most positive player (Rory Fallon) then head to the hotel and kick back. Instead they've embarrassed the game, been heavy handed with media and told everyone there will be media tomorrow. Then backtracked and had to organise media at the hotel once they realised how unprofessional they had been.
And do you know what, the players wouldn't have wanted this. They are the professionals, let down by an amateur management team. This decision would have been made by media hater Brian Turner. Great player but out of his depth in his role as manager. Real jobs for the boys as he is Ricki's best friend. Think about best practice guys and what is good for the game not your ego.
This is my first post. I would like to comment on the debacle at Wellington Airport today, but am unable to. Is New Zealand Football now in charge of this website and stopping comment? Are we being muzzled by NZ Football's media guru Paul Gunn?
What a disgrace. NZ Football looks like amateurs in everything it does. Time for the egos to go and best practice is followed. Put aside 15 minutes at the airport for the coach, captain and the most positive player (Rory Fallon) then head to the hotel and kick back. Instead they've embarrassed the game, been heavy handed with media and told everyone there will be media tomorrow. Then backtracked and had to organise media at the hotel once they realised how unprofessional they had been.
And do you know what, the players wouldn't have wanted this. They are the professionals, let down by an amateur management team. This decision would have been made by media hater Brian Turner. Great player but out of his depth in his role as manager. Real jobs for the boys as he is Ricki's best friend. Think about best practice guys and what is good for the game not your ego.
Marylou you are an idiot- you are behaving worse than people that talk to other people on their cell phones in a cinema. if you want to post here try to get involved in a discussion without insulting all the fans and people on this website. Or just buzz off.
You need to tell me why. My first question was not answered?
Because you are posting the same post 7 times.
if you really can't see anything- it may be something to do with your computer and/or your internet connection
You need to tell me why. My first question was not answered?
Because you are posting the same post 7 times.
Did Jason Gunn tell you to say that?
Allegedly
That's not the answer. It was my first post and wanted some guidance. I've posted something and it was shut down/locked. You need to tell me why. Was it not appropriate and if not why? Calling someone an idiot is not helpful!!
Check out our rules and regulations. http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/categories/wellington-phoenix-discussion/topics/forum-rules-and-regulations
In particular, this one
1. Starting multiple threads. Before you start a new thread please check pages 2 and 3 of a forum or use the search function at the top of the page to see if such a topic already exists. Often what you are asking will already have been covered somewhere else. Please stick to one thread per topic, this is especially important around comments on each match. Also, read the FAQs, your answer may be there.
You failed that on numerous fronts.
That's not the answer. It was my first post and wanted some guidance. I've posted something and it was shut down/locked. You need to tell me why. Was it not appropriate and if not why? Calling someone an idiot is not helpful!!
He did answer it in the thread, as did I in your other thread. "Because there were at least 2 other threads that it could have been posted in"
Allegedly
The next All Whites coach . .. . . . . . . . . . .... wouldn't it be great if we could have trials, you know, have the same group of players, who can mould them into the best balanced attacking and defending side
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
This is my first post .....
..will J Christie finally get to start ?
Will Riki Herbert ever get the kudos he deserves ....?
Will Vorn Coveny arrive in time to save us ?
How much experience with media do you need to become a NZF Media manager ?
Is paper mache still considered a media ?
Animal droppings ?
What sort of high performance is Mr D jong on ?
What was it before he got his mitts on it ?
I am sixteen and at an all girls high school looking for a wealthy football coach with lots of time and a large severance....package.
So we're all agreed? Asterix's Auckland Spanish mate or up and coming Aussie as a stepping stone for A league or Socceroos? That about it?
Kotahitanga. We are one.
I am sixteen and at an all girls high school looking for a wealthy football coach with lots of time and a large severance....package.
Hello FU BLU
I am a very very wealthy football coach. In fact I make Kim Dotcom seem like a mere merchant banker such is the length of my, erm, coaching skills.
I would be very happy to discuss with you your future football career in my "starting XI". I can pick you up after school in my discrete, blacked out car. The number plate is "GR00MER".
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
So we're all agreed? Asterix's Auckland Spanish mate or up and coming Aussie as a stepping stone for A league or Socceroos? That about it?
He has the know how, he is affordable, he has the catalunyan school of Barça football., he can link well with your atttacking minded youngsters, but it is imperative for Nz football to reach an agreement with the ASIA federation, for your national team and domestic football, some kind of entrance to the preliminary qualifications, Check the Pumas and they are at the same issue, they cant compete with their regional teams, they needed to go elsewhere to improve
He's gone. But not quite yet. See StarTimes.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
I don't even know if the next all whites coach needs to be based in NZ. Its only ever a part time job and games will be very few and far between. We hardly ever play at home asking other countries to foot our friendly bills and hence eliminating any risk that we will lose money. Reid, Smith, Wood, Rojas, Henderon, tuiloma, Keat, James, Thomas, Fitzpatrick all play overseas and I would expect that these players will form the core of our team going forward. Whilst not the most attactive prize there must be someone out there decent who has made their coin, is over coaching a club side full time and wouldn't mind testing themselves against the Spain's of this world at the confed cup or possibly a world cup. I know I'm probably dreaming however
Basing an All Whites coach overseas has its merits as it's only a part-time role and most of the best NZ players are playing overseas or the A League. Would Nelsen be interested in splitting his MLS coaching career at Toronto with putting together and coaching the AWs when they infrequently play? Someone in NZ could keep him abreast of what's happing in the ASBP and the A League. Otherwise lets bring Simon Elliot back from LA or let him split his youth coaching role at LA Galaxy.
I note however that NZF are contemplating kicking Herbert upstairs as possibly High Performance Manager while Fred moves to the top job. Thus Van Hattam, Herbert and De Jong cover themselves and keep their positions. This would be terrible as Herbert would still dominate so much of the behind the scenes thinking. Can you imagine what it would be like at the Phoenix if Herbert was "director of football". Merrick would have walked and no good coach will tolerate Ricki tapping him on the shoulder. We have to make a complete break at the national level or we'll keep going backwards.
Yeah checked out SST and HOS football articles at local café. They're not all online yet.
All make good points, but to most of the so called football media (not Danny Hay - as he was onto it) - where were ya when NZ Football and Herbert completely stuffed up the Oceania Nations Cup, and allowed it to be swept under the table. No other country, or their football media would let that happen. And that folks, is where this whole shamozzle started. It was not just alarm bells. It was a big bloody massive red flag. Van Hattum and the NZF operate like Dad's Army, and it won't be long before New Zealand's professional players overseas started asking themselves, if they really deep down want to be involved in a setup like this.
And that is exactly what will happen - their heart won't be in it when they get called into camps. And that will be significant, as odds are, several more of an exciting crop of young players coming through, will be picked up in next year or so by overseas clubs.
Right now - there's no way a top overseas coach with half a brain would come near NZF - more anonymous player mutterings re that this morning. Pity, as with so much good new wave talent already available, and believe me, much more to come, it would be a great gig.
I don't even know if the next all whites coach needs to be based in NZ. Its only ever a part time job and games will be very few and far between. We hardly ever play at home asking other countries to foot our friendly bills and hence eliminating any risk that we will lose money. Reid, Smith, Wood, Rojas, Henderon, tuiloma, Keat, James, Thomas, Fitzpatrick all play overseas and I would expect that these players will form the core of our team going forward. Whilst not the most attactive prize there must be someone out there decent who has made their coin, is over coaching a club side full time and wouldn't mind testing themselves against the Spain's of this world at the confed cup or possibly a world cup. I know I'm probably dreaming however
Basing an All Whites coach overseas has its merits as it's only a part-time role and most of the best NZ players are playing overseas or the A League. Would Nelsen be interested in splitting his MLS coaching career at Toronto with putting together and coaching the AWs when they infrequently play? Someone in NZ could keep him abreast of what's happing in the ASBP and the A League. Otherwise lets bring Simon Elliot back from LA or let him split his youth coaching role at LA Galaxy.
I note however that NZF are contemplating kicking Herbert upstairs as possibly High Performance Manager while Fred moves to the top job. Thus Van Hattam, Herbert and De Jong cover themselves and keep their positions. This would be terrible as Herbert would still dominate so much of the behind the scenes thinking. Can you imagine what it would be like at the Phoenix if Herbert was "director of football". Merrick would have walked and no good coach will tolerate Ricki tapping him on the shoulder. We have to make a complete break at the national level or we'll keep going backwards.
Exactly, and that's my point. No decent coach will go near the 3 musketeers (Herbert, Van Hattum and de Jong). You watch. Nelsen won't, Elliot won't, Aussie coaches won't. Herbert's 'all about me' reaction since Azteca says it all. These guys will hang in till the death. There's no way they'll want to miss out on those FIFA gravy train goodies.
Tony Popovic
1: He got overlooked for the shockeroos cause he is still green and I think even he could not argue with that too much especially whom he was up against in Ange and Arnold who have earned the right.
2: He would inherit a young AW side, a few of which he would have seen in the A League and it would pretty much be a blank canvas for him to mold.
3: He gets into international football with a team not far from home and he wont have to give up his WSW gig nor will it really eat up his time for an extra $75k (at a guess). Thats not bad from a cost perspective for NZF. I'll also add that if they work it in with the WSW properly, its effectively a pay rise that NZF are paying for so from a WSW perspective, if it keeps him around, thats great for them.
4: It gets him in the shop window to show the FFA what he can do. He is locked out for at least 2 years with ange being there so why not?
5: From an NZ point of view, he can coach and he has shown what he can do. Being based out of Sydney, its not an expensive trip to get him over.
6: It also gives NZF another voice when it comes to FIFA windows and getting them off.
The only downside is that it could kill his stocks with the FFA if the AWs tank but he is young enough at 41 (?) that in 10 years time, if it goes tits up, no one will remember.
I think this is a great idea Wibblebutt.
I agree JV (huge round of cheers) but unfortunately I think there's little prospect of Popovic taking the AWs job. I don't think West Sydney would share him, it's a vibrant club where he's well looked after. He's also just finding his feet as an A League club manager. His name came up for the vacant Crystal Palace job and he didn't go for that.
The more I think about it the more I think Ramon Tribulietx would be a good candidate for the AWs job, if given a free hand from the old guard. However I don't want to lose him from ACFC as his possession-based attacking style is starting to come to fruition. Would he want to give up the annual Club World Cup adventure for a part-time international coaching role? It would certainly be a refreshing continental change of style from the dour Herbert years and he does know NZ football. However if Herbert moves upstairs then it's not going to matter, because nothing is really going to change. It's either a completely fresh break or more of the same.
Tony Popovic
1: He got overlooked for the shockeroos cause he is still green and I think even he could not argue with that too much especially whom he was up against in Ange and Arnold who have earned the right.
2: He would inherit a young AW side, a few of which he would have seen in the A League and it would pretty much be a blank canvas for him to mold.
3: He gets into international football with a team not far from home and he wont have to give up his WSW gig nor will it really eat up his time for an extra $75k (at a guess). Thats not bad from a cost perspective for NZF. I'll also add that if they work it in with the WSW properly, its effectively a pay rise that NZF are paying for so from a WSW perspective, if it keeps him around, thats great for them.
4: It gets him in the shop window to show the FFA what he can do. He is locked out for at least 2 years with ange being there so why not?
5: From an NZ point of view, he can coach and he has shown what he can do. Being based out of Sydney, its not an expensive trip to get him over.
6: It also gives NZF another voice when it comes to FIFA windows and getting them off.
The only downside is that it could kill his stocks with the FFA if the AWs tank but he is young enough at 41 (?) that in 10 years time, if it goes tits up, no one will remember.
I think this is a great idea Wibblebutt.
I agree JV (huge round of cheers) but unfortunately I think there's little prospect of Popovic taking the AWs job. I don't think West Sydney would share him, it's a vibrant club where he's well looked after. He's also just finding his feet as an A League club manager. His name came up for the vacant Crystal Palace job and he didn't go for that.
The more I think about it the more I think Ramon Tribulietx would be a good candidate for the AWs job, if given a free hand from the old guard. However I don't want to lose him from ACFC as his possession-based attacking style is starting to come to fruition. Would he want to give up the annual Club World Cup adventure for a part-time international coaching role? It would certainly be a refreshing continental change of style from the dour Herbert years and he does know NZ football. However if Herbert moves upstairs then it's not going to matter, because nothing is really going to change. It's either a completely fresh break or more of the same.
Nice idea. But Popovic will never come here. He'll be off to Europe at a much higher level post WSW. Seriously talented coach.
It seems the board is protecting themselves, they will advertise the all whites job, after wednesday, Herbert will be
the only scape goat and Van hattum and his pals will stay. :-(
It seems the board is protecting themselves, they will advertise the all whites job, after wednesday, Herbert will be
the only scape goat and Van hattum and his pals will stay. :-(
Yes I agree with you. And Herbert will end up getting an admin gig with all his mates.
contraversial and maybe not the right candidate but unless I missed something no-one has mentioned Ernie? in a dual role just like Rikki had - maybe not ideal for the Nix supporters but a good way for NZF to get a decent coach on a budget.
He does have international experience.
Id be happy with that ...quite like his willingness to try things , give youth a shot etc ...wont happen tho ...
I think Ramon Tribulitex would be a good option. He would definitely be within our price bracket as well. I would be happy to see him given a go and I'm fairly confident that he would take or seriously consider taking the job. One question is though, if he were appointed (which is unlikely in the first instance) would he turn into a Ricki Herbert of ACFC, favoring many of his previous club players over other options?
Unfortunately looking at the current players in ACFC, methinks he possibly will be a Ricki Herbert of ACFC ie: has a definite bias. You need only look at how many Spaniards have been drafted in the team since he's been coach - unless a coach at that level can survive on NZ home-grown players to play his style of football, he's not going to be able to manage with a National side that can only have NZ players.
contraversial and maybe not the right candidate but unless I missed something no-one has mentioned Ernie? in a dual role just like Rikki had - maybe not ideal for the Nix supporters but a good way for NZF to get a decent coach on a budget.
He does have international experience.
Agree.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
I think Ramon Tribulitex would be a good option. He would definitely be within our price bracket as well. I would be happy to see him given a go and I'm fairly confident that he would take or seriously consider taking the job. One question is though, if he were appointed (which is unlikely in the first instance) would he turn into a Ricki Herbert of ACFC, favoring many of his previous club players over other options?
Unfortunately looking at the current players in ACFC, methinks he possibly will be a Ricki Herbert of ACFC ie: has a definite bias. You need only look at how many Spaniards have been drafted in the team since he's been coach - unless a coach at that level can survive on NZ home-grown players to play his style of football, he's not going to be able to manage with a National side that can only have NZ players.
I'm not.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
I think Ramon Tribulitex would be a good option. He would definitely be within our price bracket as well. I would be happy to see him given a go and I'm fairly confident that he would take or seriously consider taking the job. One question is though, if he were appointed (which is unlikely in the first instance) would he turn into a Ricki Herbert of ACFC, favoring many of his previous club players over other options?
Unfortunately looking at the current players in ACFC, methinks he possibly will be a Ricki Herbert of ACFC ie: has a definite bias. You need only look at how many Spaniards have been drafted in the team since he's been coach - unless a coach at that level can survive on NZ home-grown players to play his style of football, he's not going to be able to manage with a National side that can only have NZ players.
I'm not.
Why?