The next All Whites coach

Be interesting to hear if any of the failed applicants for the Nix job re-apply again to fill RH's patent shiny slip-ons. I'm sure one who won't will be H Sanchez. (boo-hiss!)

i think i'm being idealistic but...

i'd like to think that we would have a kiwi resident appointed as coach from now until the next world cup.  whoever it is, should have one or a series of foreign coaches seconded on a mentor/consultant basis.

simon elliott, gavin wilkinson, shane knowles, chris milicich, paul marshall, steve cain, neil emblen could all be goers

short of finding a good kiwi, i'd go australian, ideally graeme arnold, but he's just been snaffled up

I think of the Kiwi names you have listed, you rule out Marshall, Knowles, Milicich, and Cain straight away. I think you have to be coaching at the ASBP level first. While that's not applicable to Emblen, he was there for 3 years and is the current assistant and Oly White coach. Mili has just been dumped and that's a frosty relationship and Cain has personal boundary issues. Knowles is coaching a team in the bottom half of NRFL (without national league experience in the last 10 years). Marshall.... well the oil on him is that he has no real friends in football which is not a pre-requisite for being a coach but he is a micro managing coach from the sidelines.

Realistically, the only NZ resident ones that would get looked at are Emblen, Ramon, and Ernie. If I were to throw in another name that comes up is Tony Readings. I can't think of anyone else that I think would get looked at although I have this nagging suspicion that I am missing someone.

From Australia, who knows. I still think that should tap up Poppa as unlikely as he is to say yes. Phil Moss was rumoured for the Phoenix gig, would be a good profile boost for him.

Kiwis overseas - Wilkinson has been coaching a while. Elliott hasn't really done any coaching and may still be too close to some of the players, same with Nelsen who is a rookie coach and Oughton has had a couple of years as an assistant? Too soon for 3 of those but Wilkinson might be tempted (I don't really know of him so he is just a name to me)

Where else do you go? There will be a boat load of names from overseas but like you say, you do not want to get into this revolving door thing like we had with Clark and McGrath etc. Makes it tough really.

I heard Piney on the radio yesterday about the situation and he said that you may not get the coach you want today. Maybe you get the one you need in a couple of years time but get the person that will do the job right now. Interesting thoughts that.

You would hope that NZF are transparent with all applicants about the lack of programme and lack of support they will give them rather than lie to them to get them here (if it was overseas) and then they bugger off when they understand whats going on here.

Aaron McFarland is a great coach, he player/coached a team I was in in Wellington around 12 years back, not saying much but he would be the best coach I ever had. Had excellent ideas, communication and enthusiasm back then and always lead by example. Be cool to see him go on higher honours in coaching.

I thought he was an ex Dunedin man? Played national league for Caversham or something?

Yep, came up from Dunners and was a teacher at Wellington College for a few years in the early 2000's

I understand Tony Readings is currently undertaking his Pro Licence with the likes of Tony Popovic, Frank Farina, Phil Moss, John Kosmina and former Waikato FC Coach Dave Edmondson in Australia at the moment, so could be a long shot for the National Team position - does he have any experience in the men's game apart from a brief spell with Birkenhead a few years ago..?

What about Roger Wilkinson? Kevin Fallon?

Of the "go forward" squad being bandied about on the AW game thread (post match), the starting XI don't even play their football in NZ - aside from Moss. Plenty of the "next XI" don't either.
How much does this come into play, if at all?

Think they (though the 'they' thing terrifies me) will appoint an interim coach, and make the big appointment for the WC push down the track a bit. No need to fork out big bucks (by our standards) yet, as realistically there will be few games. If Ernie goes well at the Phoenix - think he'll get the gig at the end of his contract, when Greenacre takes over there.  Unlikely anyone of compulsory note will apply for the job yet.

I like the NZ homegrown concept in principal, but it's gotta be someone the overseas based players respect. If Reid and co see a micky mouse setup, they'll be as interested as Reid looked sometimes down here under Herbert. He's got to be the leader, but has to want to be the leader. 

NZ needs to play between 8 to 10 friendlies next year at least, with the fifa windows, and would love a tour for games to Southamerica, to take advantage that most teams are eager for friendlies just before the wc

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Big potential under right coach

First up, I don't think we're likely to get a coach who'll make as an immediate an impact as Ricki. On the flip side, I don't think he has to. The talent is there, so it doesn't need something dramatic from the coach, but someone who can manage and facilitate talent, and has a reasonable tactical awareness. Ok, so that is likely to be a big ask. But the bigger ask will be a platform of games for the AWs as they had with Graham Seatter that saw Ricki take the squad to Europe and other places. Administration backed with some finance will be the call that can make the most difference. Maybe we could look to try and play games against club teams associated with our top players?

Anyway I'm half tempted to say Danny Hay, just so he can take a turn in the hot seat. All in all though, too many cb coaches...Ricki, Danny hay, Neil Emblen etc etc...

I think we really have to look at the pathways for our coaches as well. If they are serious we want to get them involved with teams overseas like Poppa was. It would be nice if the person who coached the AWs wasn't the one left holding the baby, but like Ricki (and hopefully more) had done their licenses and got some real momentum in their coaching career before taking on the chalice...

deep lying DM yeh? and CB for Knights and Waitak?

What about Danny Hay and Billy Harris as a coaching team? Then they can feel the heat in the kitchn together!

Shit just saw someone else already suggesting it. Sorry for the double up.

Aye but both have always been quick to throw in the cheap shots at Herbert in the past.

Not sure if Harris deserves the honour as much as Tony Smith...or one of the other Stuffians whose name I can't recall...used to enjoy Billy Harris' guff as it usually had very little seriousness about it. Whereas Hay gets on the stump from time to time for sure

I think not having too many cooks is a good idea, and having either an explicitly caretaker or someone who is clearly the boss and can pick his own management/coaching team and has the confidence of NZF and the rest of us...Elliot got coaching licences?

I think Ivan and Elliott are too close to the team still. I would also like to see Ivan retire as a player first before getting our national job.

Perhaps we should appoint Emblen as caretaker and wait until Nelsen gets sacked from Toronto like all the coaches before him 

Ha ha ha Feverish.