All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
football137 wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
I think you would find it's the best. The only other league comparable would be the K league.
football137 wrote:http://www.givemesport.com/342964-top-20-best-leagues-in-world-football
Ok bro. Roll up with a free pass wearing a polo shirt and jeans with only enough money for a couple of drinks, and yeah you'll be drinking apple juice. Turn up in an Italian cashmere suit with a grand cash, you'll have no problem finding yourself in the lounge sipping a nice 40yr old scotch, among other things ..
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
newsflash : New Zealand prepared to admit that quality national coach costs money and decides to pay........just like every other country on earth does - even with the 2010 windfall there has never ever been the suggestion that a Gus Hiddink or even a Ernie Merrick might be given this full-time job and give the national team the boost it deserves.....
That's a bit OTT. You have to remember, up until mid 2012, Ricki has done a good job for 7 years. The reality is, his ideas are stale and this group probably don't respond to the same voice anymore as happens just like at the Phoenix. He (and Ryan) got us to a WC. Yes he has a flaws but like John Adshead (and his Knights fuck up) it does not make him a poor coach. It just means he is dated. He did well in his time but his time is now pretty much over (or he needs a very fresh environment to start again)
Whats a 'Hiddink' type coach going to do? Spend months researching and unearthing new talent and guys coming through? Spend time with them? Fuck off he would. He will take the team a week out from any game, demand a fortune, have his entourage run the show then stuff off. Ricki might not be perfect but he at least knows the NZ landscape. Ernie has learned the NZ landscape and found the talent by being here. Hiddink will not do that. Hiddinks way of doing things, Jason Hicks would not get a leg up, Justin Gulley and Hamish Watson would not show what they are capable of, Alex Rufer would not have doors opened for him. So you would see the same players rolled out each time until someone in the national body (likely FDJ) says 'we think you should look at this player' and then he will get taken into a camp. The national coaching job is not a fulltime job, nor paying and never will be. So you have to find a coach that is prepared to work part time for part time wages and thus, will never invest that time.
Also I'd like to add, no coach worth his salt that you speak of would take the job and the shambolic organisation of fixtures. Do you think a Hiddink type coach would tolerate the lead in we have to tournaments (OFC Nations) or that bullshit of a tour that just happened through America or give two flying fucks what Phoenix players need to be where? We'd get more exposed for being the mickey mouse organisation we already are. Durante would not have played and he would have told the national body to sort it before he picked him (which means it would not have been)
Neil Emblen coming through seems to be achieving good things (and Ryan said the Olympic campaign was excellent under him) so there are resources there that do not bankrupt us. That aside, the national side will not be seen of 2 years anyway because of costs so its pointless.
the point was plenty of relatively shite football nations, with half the talent of New Zealand, recognise the need to invest in a decent coach. New Zealand is one of the prime freeloaders of the FIFA set-up through our domination of the OFC - we have more money than a bunch of other nations, the problem is that we use our money like a savings account instead of an investment fund. If New Zealand Football actually signalled their intent by hiring a quality full time coach, perhaps they could build an international programme to match it.........I don't believe it is impossible just because of where we are geographically.
newsflash : New Zealand prepared to admit that quality national coach costs money and decides to pay........just like every other country on earth does - even with the 2010 windfall there has never ever been the suggestion that a Gus Hiddink or even a Ernie Merrick might be given this full-time job and give the national team the boost it deserves.....
That's a bit OTT. You have to remember, up until mid 2012, Ricki has done a good job for 7 years. The reality is, his ideas are stale and this group probably don't respond to the same voice anymore as happens just like at the Phoenix. He (and Ryan) got us to a WC. Yes he has a flaws but like John Adshead (and his Knights fuck up) it does not make him a poor coach. It just means he is dated. He did well in his time but his time is now pretty much over (or he needs a very fresh environment to start again)
Whats a 'Hiddink' type coach going to do? Spend months researching and unearthing new talent and guys coming through? Spend time with them? Fuck off he would. He will take the team a week out from any game, demand a fortune, have his entourage run the show then stuff off. Ricki might not be perfect but he at least knows the NZ landscape. Ernie has learned the NZ landscape and found the talent by being here. Hiddink will not do that. Hiddinks way of doing things, Jason Hicks would not get a leg up, Justin Gulley and Hamish Watson would not show what they are capable of, Alex Rufer would not have doors opened for him. So you would see the same players rolled out each time until someone in the national body (likely FDJ) says 'we think you should look at this player' and then he will get taken into a camp. The national coaching job is not a fulltime job, nor paying and never will be. So you have to find a coach that is prepared to work part time for part time wages and thus, will never invest that time.
Also I'd like to add, no coach worth his salt that you speak of would take the job and the shambolic organisation of fixtures. Do you think a Hiddink type coach would tolerate the lead in we have to tournaments (OFC Nations) or that bullshit of a tour that just happened through America or give two flying fucks what Phoenix players need to be where? We'd get more exposed for being the mickey mouse organisation we already are. Durante would not have played and he would have told the national body to sort it before he picked him (which means it would not have been)
Neil Emblen coming through seems to be achieving good things (and Ryan said the Olympic campaign was excellent under him) so there are resources there that do not bankrupt us. That aside, the national side will not be seen of 2 years anyway because of costs so its pointless.
the point was plenty of relatively shite football nations, with half the talent of New Zealand, recognise the need to invest in a decent coach. New Zealand is one of the prime freeloaders of the FIFA set-up through our domination of the OFC - we have more money than a bunch of other nations, the problem is that we use our money like a savings account instead of an investment fund. If New Zealand Football actually signalled their intent by hiring a quality full time coach, perhaps they could build an international programme to match it.........I don't believe it is impossible just because of where we are geographically.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
newsflash : New Zealand prepared to admit that quality national coach costs money and decides to pay........just like every other country on earth does - even with the 2010 windfall there has never ever been the suggestion that a Gus Hiddink or even a Ernie Merrick might be given this full-time job and give the national team the boost it deserves.....
That's a bit OTT. You have to remember, up until mid 2012, Ricki has done a good job for 7 years. The reality is, his ideas are stale and this group probably don't respond to the same voice anymore as happens just like at the Phoenix. He (and Ryan) got us to a WC. Yes he has a flaws but like John Adshead (and his Knights fuck up) it does not make him a poor coach. It just means he is dated. He did well in his time but his time is now pretty much over (or he needs a very fresh environment to start again)
Whats a 'Hiddink' type coach going to do? Spend months researching and unearthing new talent and guys coming through? Spend time with them? Fuck off he would. He will take the team a week out from any game, demand a fortune, have his entourage run the show then stuff off. Ricki might not be perfect but he at least knows the NZ landscape. Ernie has learned the NZ landscape and found the talent by being here. Hiddink will not do that. Hiddinks way of doing things, Jason Hicks would not get a leg up, Justin Gulley and Hamish Watson would not show what they are capable of, Alex Rufer would not have doors opened for him. So you would see the same players rolled out each time until someone in the national body (likely FDJ) says 'we think you should look at this player' and then he will get taken into a camp. The national coaching job is not a fulltime job, nor paying and never will be. So you have to find a coach that is prepared to work part time for part time wages and thus, will never invest that time.
Also I'd like to add, no coach worth his salt that you speak of would take the job and the shambolic organisation of fixtures. Do you think a Hiddink type coach would tolerate the lead in we have to tournaments (OFC Nations) or that bullshit of a tour that just happened through America or give two flying fucks what Phoenix players need to be where? We'd get more exposed for being the mickey mouse organisation we already are. Durante would not have played and he would have told the national body to sort it before he picked him (which means it would not have been)
Neil Emblen coming through seems to be achieving good things (and Ryan said the Olympic campaign was excellent under him) so there are resources there that do not bankrupt us. That aside, the national side will not be seen of 2 years anyway because of costs so its pointless.
the point was plenty of relatively shite football nations, with half the talent of New Zealand, recognise the need to invest in a decent coach. New Zealand is one of the prime freeloaders of the FIFA set-up through our domination of the OFC - we have more money than a bunch of other nations, the problem is that we use our money like a savings account instead of an investment fund. If New Zealand Football actually signalled their intent by hiring a quality full time coach, perhaps they could build an international programme to match it.........I don't believe it is impossible just because of where we are geographically.
I agree with you, just getting to the World Cup is a false prize....to be a better football nation we need the All Whites to play more regularly and a proper coach is part and parcel of that - not the magic bullet solution. more games with no coach would be better than the dribble of games we have now with even a legendary coach.
Been think about this for a while, and despite what I've said about him in the past, I reckon Fallon needs to start. The opposition and scenario is made for him. I'd shape it up like this:
Moss
Bertos Durante Smith Lochhead
McGlicnhy Vicelich James
Brockie Kosta
Fallon
Play for corners and freekicks and try take advantage of the space left by their wingbacks.
3 holding midfielder as I just don't 2 is enough esp with Vicelich's ageing legs. They need to win tackles, protect our fullbacks, and pump it long and early.
Brockie and Kosta in there is provide decent wide delivery, pace, and some defensive ability.
Bertos and Lochhead to hold. Defend, tackle, play the channels early.
Tell ricki. Like it but sadly hes gonna have Siggy-Dura-Smith and bertos and lochhead are going to get murdered down the flanks ala every game against mex weve played
Tell ricki. Like it but sadly hes gonna have Siggy-Dura-Smith and bertos and lochhead are going to get murdered down the flanks ala every game against mex weve played
On the plus side, we should have a new coach soon
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Been think about this for a while, and despite what I've said about him in the past, I reckon Fallon needs to start. The opposition and scenario is made for him. I'd shape it up like this:
Moss
Bertos Durante Smith Lochhead
McGlicnhy Vicelich James
Brockie Kosta
Fallon
Play for corners and freekicks and try take advantage of the space left by their wingbacks.
3 holding midfielder as I just don't 2 is enough esp with Vicelich's ageing legs. They need to win tackles, protect our fullbacks, and pump it long and early.
Brockie and Kosta in there is provide decent wide delivery, pace, and some defensive ability.
Bertos and Lochhead to hold. Defend, tackle, play the channels early.
Think Fallon better with his head. If Mexico are is bad as told from set pieces and corners, think he is the best person to have in there.
Think Fallon better with his head. If Mexico are is bad as told from set pieces and corners, think he is the best person to have in there.
Three for me, and two for them.
He got us through last time............
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
He got us through last time............
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Been think about this for a while, and despite what I've said about him in the past, I reckon Fallon needs to start. The opposition and scenario is made for him. I'd shape it up like this:
Moss
Bertos Durante Smith Lochhead
McGlicnhy Vicelich James
Brockie Kosta
Fallon
Play for corners and freekicks and try take advantage of the space left by their wingbacks.
3 holding midfielder as I just don't 2 is enough esp with Vicelich's ageing legs. They need to win tackles, protect our fullbacks, and pump it long and early.
Brockie and Kosta in there is provide decent wide delivery, pace, and some defensive ability.
Bertos and Lochhead to hold. Defend, tackle, play the channels early.
Normo's coming home
I kind of agree about Fallon being made for this scenario, but so is Chris Wood.
We could play an 8-0-2 formation with Fallon and wood upfront. Taking route one to the next level.
We could play an 8-0-2 formation with Fallon and wood upfront. Taking route one to the next level.
Good point Javier16. Although I think we could grind out a result like Jamaica v Mexico at Azteca Stadium where they drew 0-0.
It looked like Jamaica had 3+2 upfront, 1 linking mid fielder and 4 at the back.
So Mexico couldn't move forward in large numbers.
Attack or defend, and try not to waste energy on fighting your way up the mid field.
yes, this Mexico is not the big adversary but altitude is, check this out, best players from Ecuador and Colombia are not from altitude, even tough they play their home games in the Q, at Quito or Bogota, to use the altitude factor, Ecuador is like Nigeria or Ghana very athletic and fast, Colombia has more flair and try to moving it around, with Pekerman as manager. Yes, you coudnt battle it or play a passing game because you cant have turnovers at altitude play it simple and play it safe if you dont have the days to aclimate yourselves , just shield the goal, and try fast counterattacks with young fast players avail, to cover up the flacks, with spicey fast players, like wingers so the fullbacks will be busy for not letting empty spaces for long ball passes at a clear spots,
One thing that you cant do is not trying to get counterattacks, is the only way to keep their wingbacks men busy
Uruguay lost vs Ecuador in october at Quito, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphjEPL_cnI
they played 5-2-3, 5-4-1 actually vs Ecuador similar way we played, with christian rodriguez and CAVANI on the flanks and Luis Suarez as lone striker, similar tactics that we used there, the almost nick a goal there ...
Been think about this for a while, and despite what I've said about him in the past, I reckon Fallon needs to start. The opposition and scenario is made for him. I'd shape it up like this:
Moss
Bertos Durante Smith Lochhead
McGlicnhy Vicelich James
Brockie Kosta
Fallon
Play for corners and freekicks and try take advantage of the space left by their wingbacks.
3 holding midfielder as I just don't 2 is enough esp with Vicelich's ageing legs. They need to win tackles, protect our fullbacks, and pump it long and early.
Brockie and Kosta in there is provide decent wide delivery, pace, and some defensive ability.
Bertos and Lochhead to hold. Defend, tackle, play the channels early.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Boxall no doubt.
Options:
Old
Fitzgerald
Boxall
Musa
Butler. Rickie likes him, remember.
Nov 07. #225
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Jerzy, It's a sad state when the coach is picking people because he likes them.
It's a wonder he doesn't pick the person he's sleeping with, or has he? Just joking!
Excuse my ignorance, but are we allowed to call up an extra player into the squad in light of the injury?
I was wondering that aswell.. has to be Fitzgerald or Keat.... but knowing Herbert he'd call up Butler
I wasn't the only one to guess right.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
newsflash : New Zealand prepared to admit that quality national coach costs money and decides to pay........just like every other country on earth does - even with the 2010 windfall there has never ever been the suggestion that a Gus Hiddink or even a Ernie Merrick might be given this full-time job and give the national team the boost it deserves.....
That's a bit OTT. You have to remember, up until mid 2012, Ricki has done a good job for 7 years. The reality is, his ideas are stale and this group probably don't respond to the same voice anymore as happens just like at the Phoenix. He (and Ryan) got us to a WC. Yes he has a flaws but like John Adshead (and his Knights fuck up) it does not make him a poor coach. It just means he is dated. He did well in his time but his time is now pretty much over (or he needs a very fresh environment to start again)
...Also I'd like to add, no coach worth his salt that you speak of would take the job and the shambolic organisation of fixtures. Do you think a Hiddink type coach would tolerate the lead in we have to tournaments (OFC Nations) or that bullshit of a tour that just happened through America or give two flying fucks what Phoenix players need to be where? We'd get more exposed for being the mickey mouse organisation we already are. Durante would not have played and he would have told the national body to sort it before he picked him (which means it would not have been)
Neil Emblen coming through seems to be achieving good things (and Ryan said the Olympic campaign was excellent under him) so there are resources there that do not bankrupt us. That aside, the national side will not be seen of 2 years anyway because of costs so its pointless.
Ernie Merrick coached Hong Kong, Frank Farina (not saying he is that fantastic) coached PNG and there is a long list of crappy small football nations with half decent coaches (better than Herbert). Yes it comes down to money but you need to spend a little to get a decent coach of the quality to get us into the confederations cup and the world cup where the prize money to qualify for these tournaments well outweighs the cost.
Ricki has done a good job for 7 years??? Really??? because since the last world cup I would think he has done a very poor job. Why does everyone seem to forget the disaster of the Oceania Cup. I don't care what excuses they had for that tournament. We were garbage and are still playing terribly. Ricki has not bought anything new to the table since the last world cup.
Its also pretty obvious that the last world cup came done to Ryan Nelsen not Ricki Herbert. Is anyone aware that while Herbert was coaching the Phoenix it wasnt uncommon for him to leave selection and tactics down to the experienced players in the team? And thats a fact.
Herbert has been carried by his experienced players for a number of years. Now he hasn't got the likes of Elliott, Brown and Nelsen to carry his ass he has become exposed and clueless.
Its going to take a miracle for us to qualify for the world cup and if we do it will not have anything to do with Herbert.
Now if Herbert has done such a good job with the Phoenix and the All Whites I am sure he will have lots of clubs chasing him. My prediction. He will never coach another professional team again.
Graham Arnold to me seems the best possible candidate to take over the AW's - he may be feeling sore about being overlooked for the Socceroos job, so that may work in our favour (make him inclined to think "stuff FFA, I'll take NZ").
He'll probably get bored with coaching Central Coast Mariners after this season and could see coaching NZ as a gateway to eventually coaching Australia or Asian national sides.
The guy would be ideal with his pro playing CV (many years in the Netherlands & Belgium) and national team coaching experience as assistant Socceroos coach 2000-2010 amd head coach 2006-7.
He would have benefited from his time as coach of Central Coast 2010 to date and knows the A-League inside and out. He has two current All Whites playing for him now.
An Aussie would be a good fit for coaching NZ - we're not too dissimilar culturally and in player character.
Arnold's an intense character and would be good for the AW's, instilling a new discipline and a better tactical approach.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
Doubt hed want to coach us when we wont b playing in 2014 if we dont qualify or 2015
2016 ofc nationa cup is next time nzf might care
Fresh Ivan Vicelich interview video on Mexico games (and a plug for his sports shop):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdZk95ani-0
All Whites travel plans - Bertos not even in Phoenix squad for today's game!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9380602/Whistlestop-trip-to-Chch-for-A-League-All-Whites
"The All Whites are travelling to Los Angeles - their training base before heading to Mexico on Tuesday - from two hubs, Auckland and London.
Phoenix wingback Leo Bertos, who was omitted for the Perth Glory game, and former Phoenix defender Tony Lochhead will already be in Auckland, along with Canterbury United midfielder Aaron Clapham, Auckland-based players Ivan Vicelich, and Tamati Williams and Australia-based A-Leaguers Michael McGlinchey, Kosta Barbarouses and new cap Storm Roux.
UK-based players Chris Wood, Tommy Smith and Rory Fallon will be joined in London by Marco Rojas from Bundesliga club Vfb Stuttgart, one-cap defender Bill Tuiloma from France's Olympique Marseille and Scandinavian-based midfielders Chris James (Finland) and Craig Henderson (Sweden)."
The 22nd player, United States-based midfielder Jeremy Christie, will meet the team in Los Angeles."
Speculation on Ricki's formation:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11154017
"The coaching staff are confident that either Ben Sigmund or Vicelich will provide enough cover defensively to fill the void left by Reid. If Vicelich is chosen in that role, then a new defensive midfielder will need to be found. Chris James, provided he is 100 per cent fit after his injury, would be the favourite to fill that role as he offers more pace than Jeremy Christie or Aaron Clapham. Butler is probably too inexperienced to be considered for a starting role at the Azteca. Mexico are expected to play three in the centre of midfield (one holding, two attacking) and the All Whites would need to match that formation. They would either employ one of the attackers in an advanced midfield role or select an extra midfielder."
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
Sky think the game is at 2pm on Thursday (aswell as the Phoenix v Glory today at 5:30) haha
Is there going to be a WN venue that will be screening the game? BB or 4kings?
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Great, thanks. Will book some leave for Thursday am I think.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Breaking news: Ricki Herbert molested at LAX
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9383908/Under-pressure-Mexico-good-for-New-Zealand
"Herbert was the centre of attention at LAX and despite not being scheduled to be interviewed, he had no choice as 10 Mexican and American journalists stopped him and fired questions while the New Zealand and Australian-based players snuck past unmolested."
RIP Rickis innocence. Glad the rest of the crew made it through. Stay safe AWs
... inb4 TV
"It will be pressure for them (Mehico). Can they deal with it? Can they handle it? They probably don't know where Wellington is."
RH indulges in psychological warfare on arrival in LAX
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Christie is based in the US. has he actually been playing there?
Might pick up a team if he gets it but doubt mls. Poss his old club the rowdies in 2nd tier but who knows