brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
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All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
Vs Mexico 2nd Leg Wed 20th 7:00pm SS1
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James has now scored more than Brockie for the national team.
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James has now scored more than Brockie for the national team.
Hard to comprehend I know.
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I thought Roux was the NZ man of the match. So much maturity and skill for someone so inexperianced. He has the NZ RB slot for ever....he only made one error.
Have just watched the replay of the goals. He was caught square for each of the three goals. I thought he looked great going forward on the ball but he did get shredded in that first 30 minutes
He was caught out, but I wouldn't pinpoint the blame solely on him. Their attackers were finding space everywhere.
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Brockie is a strange one. Does score good goals in the A League but when a striker doesn't score in 40+ internationals, often against pretty poor Oceania opposition, you've got to question him. Think he's had more than enough time to prove himself. I must confess I did feel sorry for him when he hit that soft penalty but I've always felt he drifts in and out of games too much.
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Consider the example of Scott McDonald, who regularly scored in the EPL and the Scottish League for his clubs yet was unable to break his duck for Australia. He eventually was dropped from the Socceroos because he could not fit into the attacking plan (rather than just because of his barren scoring run) and has not been recalled during the recent campaign for Brazil. Unlikely to be recalled for the WC finals.
Sounds familiar? Well, he famously declined to take an available penalty kick for the Socceroos just to break his duck (Wilkshire took it instead), as he would have rather scored from the play (this story from the World Game on SBS some months ago).
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P.S. interested whether people who watch Mexico a bit think that the new coach has made a bit of a difference since the qualifying rounds. They certainly didn't seem to be the rabble they were talked about as under previous coaches, and wondering whether that is due to the new coach, strength of opposition (i.e. us), or both?
I do think that Miguel Herrera has made a rather large impact on the team since taking over. As a traditional, and for most of CONCACAF's history the only, regional power Mexico has earned a (rather well deserved) reputation for being arrogant combined with things just falling into place and working out for them when they have seldom found themselves in a tough situation. They for the most part have never had to "grind it out" in CONCACAF nor build a program like the US, Costa Rica and Honduras have.
Until recently, most Mexican players stayed in Mexico. During the 2006 World Cup, only four players on their squad plied their trade outside of Mexico, one of which was playing for Chivas USA, MLS's Mexican team. Mexico always had great players, but they were never superstars in the way that Chicharito, Giovanni Dos Santos and Andrés Guardado are and they always had to fight for their position on the team. To be fair, the FMF wasn't a total corrupted clusterf*ck like it is now. What Miguel has done is basically sent a shot across the bow of all the Mexican players by showing that just because you ride the bench for ManU most of the year does not mean you automatically play or make that squad for that matter. In addition, this provided and excellent opportunity for the guys on the fringe of the national team, that they normally would not have, to book their ticket to Brazil. He showed everyone that regular Liga MX players are perfectly capable of doing what they have traditionally done, qualify with Mexican league players.
Most experts agree that this is not the team that will show up in Brazil. They are an all-star club team, but certainly not a national team. All these guys that Miguel selected were in form, most make their living by playing with each other day in and day out, and his comments about the travel and adjusting to the altitude of Mexico City were legitimate in my opinion. He made the best team from the best immediately available players, which unfortunately are head and shoulders above the current crop of All Whites in terms of technical ability, form and shape.
I know you guys are feeling in the dumps, and I hate to pile on, but in all sincerity, I am not sure if the All Whites would have made it into the final round of qualifying (the hex) if you were in Concacaf. If you had, I suspect you would have gone the route of Jamaica. While most of the US fans would have loved to have seen Mexico implode even further, most never seriously thought that they wouldn't make it through to Brazil.
We may not have "historically" build programs, but we're currently in one (that has brought results in the U-something WCs). We may be arrogant, but this was mostly due to bad and predictable tactics (everybody knew how Chepo's team played and how to counter it, adding the pressure of not getting results) and bad timming, De La Torre should have gone long ago, not as late as he was fired. Herrera brought a new tactic scheme and new guys so the pressure was not so strong in them.
Mexico will always have most of its guys in Mexico, they are well payed, and well, about superstars, we have had, mostly locals, but way bigger than a Guardado, and Rafael Marquez, Luis Garcia, Rafael Marquez, Jorge Campos, etcetera would be as big or bigger than Hernandez and Dos Santos in their times.
In Brazil there will be some of the foreign based players, if not all of them.
I agree NZ would have had a hard path in CONCACAF, from what I saw from them, I would put them in the level of an El Salvador or T&T.
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brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
Hey pal, football is like poker, you know, you bluff, or not, Who knows? Controversy is what this beautiful game is made of, There is a thin red line for ifs, because there is a ref out there and 2 linesmen to take actions, dont seek justice in a sport, seek justice from goverments and politicians with their big, fat wallets.
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brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
Hey pal, football is like poker, you know, you bluff, or not, Who knows? Controversy is what this beautiful game is made of, There is a thin red line for ifs, because there is a ref out there and 2 linesmen to take actions, dont seek justice in a sport, seek justice from goverments and politicians with their big, fat wallets.
Please, give us a break.
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Aurelio Vidmar looks like being released by AP as he picks his own staff .... http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/in-the-mixer-with-val-migliaccio-and-marco-monteverde-the-weekly-a-league-column/story-fnk9a3dc-1226765325416
Coached in the A-League ... has been the coach of U 20 I think Australian squad ... has all the necessary certificates ...
Worth a look I think ....
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
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Just got home after 17 hours on a bus with Mexican fans over the last 48 hours. Henderson and Fallon should have started I think. I thought we were average compared to our performances against Honduras and China in 2012. Probably due to our crap build up and lack of game time together though. I truly believe we could have won this playoff had we had a better build up and didn't lose Reid, Killen and Payne through injury's and Smeltz and Rojas had recent game time and if we had our yellow cards wiped at the end of OFC qualifying... Really hoping we can build from here.. Really proud of the amount of people that turned out to support the team at $60 each though. Amazing stuff.
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My ten key learnings going forward from the game! :-)
http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2013/11/21/ten-key-learnings-going-forward/
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I have seen the future of NZ football and it looks fine by me.
Just got home from the match. I now have great hope for NZ football. The way our youngsters took it to Mexico made me proud to be a kiwi supporter. At the bar after the match the Mexican supporters all congratulated us on our game. They could not believe it was the same team as the Azteca. To see a NZ side comfortable on the ball, pass and moving, keeping the ball on the deck.....it gave me great joy.
I thought Roux was the NZ man of the match. So much maturity and skill for someone so inexperianced. He has the NZ RB slot for ever....he only made one error. I thought Costa was excellent....very positive and direct. Rory made a big difference when he came on. He held the ball up and layed it off well. For me Smeltz looked out of condition. Rojas did some very good stuff but showed his lack of precision from little recent game time. James was busy and creative.
Sure there are things you can criticise....but in the circumstances it would be churlish. (why did Brockie take the penalty) Considering this team has just come together and had little or no practice playing in this style then it was a thoroughly commendable performance. Imagine what they could do if we could get a decent coach who could drill them on this style of play.
Great night despite the scoreline...I am very happy. Just don't f**k it up now NZ football
I can see why Brockie took it- when the guy eats, he really fills his boots. If he'd got on a confidence run he might have really been smashing them home and got 2 or three, plus he wanted a odds on chance to break his duck...now it's a bit of a bogie for him.
Really do feel the surge of confidence.
I think the thing that has typified this era of NZ football is not f-ing apologising for being Kiwis playing football, but trying to win every game. And for me personally this goes back to the Wales game with Smeltz, Siggie, Brown et al under Herbert where we went 1-0 up and then 2-1 up and really took the game to the opposition. So partly it has been the era of Shane Smeltz, a really accomplished goal scorer, capable against any team, but the belief behind him from all the players has resonated and we have always come to play, not just to make up the numbers like when we played against Brazil so long ago.
I think the mistake many are making is in thinking that our Azteca game was a departure from this philosophy. It was an attempted rope-a-dope, but we got knocked out early.
Wood is not yet the goal scorer Smeltz is, but he's a fairly damn accomplished forward and attacking player who combines well with McG, Marco et al.
I worry now about us getting our shit together enough to achieve the potential we saw in Wellington on Wednesday. The admin needs to be much tighter than it was and the coaching and team management set up at least as good...
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yeh haven't seen enough of Henderson right? he looked good I thought...
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brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
Hey pal, football is like poker, you know, you bluff, or not, Who knows? Controversy is what this beautiful game is made of, There is a thin red line for ifs, because there is a ref out there and 2 linesmen to take actions, dont seek justice in a sport, seek justice from goverments and politicians with their big, fat wallets.
Please, give us a break.
thought it was a pen, and should have been a red. Contact with the player, not the ball and Brockie could have got around and finished it if the keeper hadn't taken him out. But hey. didn't really think either of the others were a pen. The last one perhaps a make up. Still it was appreciated!
Crowd sounded awesome, was worried at the start but everyone got there and made some good noise, let them be afraid of coming to Wellington!
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I was just thinking, Chris James would make a good All Whites captain. He is passionate, works hard and seems to lead by example. Not to take anything after away from Smith at all.
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I was just thinking, Chris James would make a good All Whites captain. He is passionate, works hard and seems to lead by example. Not to take anything after away from Smith at all.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
Hey pal, football is like poker, you know, you bluff, or not, Who knows? Controversy is what this beautiful game is made of, There is a thin red line for ifs, because there is a ref out there and 2 linesmen to take actions, dont seek justice in a sport, seek justice from goverments and politicians with their big, fat wallets.
Please, give us a break.
thought it was a pen, and should have been a red. Contact with the player, not the ball and Brockie could have got around and finished it if the keeper hadn't taken him out. But hey. didn't really think either of the others were a pen. The last one perhaps a make up. Still it was appreciated!
Crowd sounded awesome, was worried at the start but everyone got there and made some good noise, let them be afraid of coming to Wellington!
Grumpy old bastard alert
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I know you guys are feeling in the dumps, and I hate to pile on, but in all sincerity, I am not sure if the All Whites would have made it into the final round of qualifying (the hex) if you were in Concacaf. If you had, I suspect you would have gone the route of Jamaica. While most of the US fans would have loved to have seen Mexico implode even further, most never seriously thought that they wouldn't make it through to Brazil.
Don't worry about piling it on. Nothing you said was unfair, even if Jamaica had been the 4th team we would have probably still been underdogs against them (although had a much better chance than Mexico). I would only add that the real advantage in being in a bigger qualifying group is that there are so many more meaningful games to help raise the standard. Our preparation this cycle has been pretty bad.
Did we actually have a build up? I hope your not referring to that waste of time trip to the USA? The NZF knew how important this play off was going to be, despite whom the opponents were. Yet, as per normal they did fuck all. Nothing was learned from the Bahrain games. We got lucky there. I don't buy the argument that none of the big countries would ever consider playing us in a friendly. Some would as it gives them a chance to try things with their own squads.
So Frank Van Freeloader, what bollox can you use as an excuse for such a non build up? You're the big man in charge, time to earn you're dosh. I bet you are going to Brazil at Fifas expence. Lucky for some.
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Mulligan thumped home some good freekicks and put in some good performances in the mids. James would want to establish himself more than he has done so far before he could captain. been good, but not a dead cert - howieson etc etc
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brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
Hey pal, football is like poker, you know, you bluff, or not, Who knows? Controversy is what this beautiful game is made of, There is a thin red line for ifs, because there is a ref out there and 2 linesmen to take actions, dont seek justice in a sport, seek justice from goverments and politicians with their big, fat wallets.
Please, give us a break.
thought it was a pen, and should have been a red. Contact with the player, not the ball and Brockie could have got around and finished it if the keeper hadn't taken him out. But hey. didn't really think either of the others were a pen. The last one perhaps a make up. Still it was appreciated!
Crowd sounded awesome, was worried at the start but everyone got there and made some good noise, let them be afraid of coming to Wellington!
Agreed. Never a red card. Brockie's touch is going away from goal and probably out, there's a defender heading towards the goal line and Munoz realises he's not gonna get the ball and pulls his hands away. Brockie anticipated the touch from the keeper and went down. As a keeper, in those circumstances I'd have been disappointed to even get a yellow really
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Wow!! People are leaving it late to get into the stadium - just saw on TV 3 News - looks like thousnds waiting to get in 5 mins before kick-off.
Guess that unfortunately most people don't follow football closely and so didn't realise the kick-off was brought forward to 7 pm
ANYWAYS -GO THE ALL WHITES !!! GOALS GOALS GOALS (TO US PLEASE THIS TIME!!!!)
Just got back from Wellington, getting in was slow as, we had pre-booked flights before time change, flight was supposed to arrive 6:15 actually got there just after 6 jumped straight in a taxi, dropped off a 1k from the stadium got to the q at 6:35 and talk was we might even get to see the National anthems! - No such luck arrived at our seats 6 mins after kick-off. bloody diabolical organisation getting in when all tickets were prepaid. Had first bag check in 30 metres wide area, reasonable free flowing, then a hard left turn into the turnstiles that slowed down, like trying to get on the Auckland motorway at peak hour traffic! Should of only taken 15 mins tops if the had opened the gates straight opposite the bag check.
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brockies penalty save was justice for cheating to get the penalty.
Hey pal, football is like poker, you know, you bluff, or not, Who knows? Controversy is what this beautiful game is made of, There is a thin red line for ifs, because there is a ref out there and 2 linesmen to take actions, dont seek justice in a sport, seek justice from goverments and politicians with their big, fat wallets.
Please, give us a break.
thought it was a pen, and should have been a red. Contact with the player, not the ball and Brockie could have got around and finished it if the keeper hadn't taken him out. But hey. didn't really think either of the others were a pen. The last one perhaps a make up. Still it was appreciated!
Crowd sounded awesome, was worried at the start but everyone got there and made some good noise, let them be afraid of coming to Wellington!
Agreed. Never a red card. Brockie's touch is going away from goal and probably out, there's a defender heading towards the goal line and Munoz realises he's not gonna get the ball and pulls his hands away. Brockie anticipated the touch from the keeper and went down. As a keeper, in those circumstances I'd have been disappointed to even get a yellow really
gunna check the replay, but keeper comes, misses the ball, gets the player who if he had been able to carry on unimpeded might have been able to get to the ball find the angle...red card...brockie's touch wasn't that heavy
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Yeah it was. It would have most likely gone for a goal kick and there is a defender on the goal line
Grumpy old bastard alert
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wouldn't have gone for a goal kick, defender on the line, but two other AWs in the box. Definite pen, marginal on the red. Certainly seen them given and there is a chance for Brockie to either hit an amazing finish or square for a much higher percentage finish, pretty good goal scoring opportunity with the keeper taken out of play.
didn't realise it was Brockie that shot right at the keeper earlier. had thought it was Smeltz. Should have looked to make a better opportunity, squared it. Brockie has been taking some low percentage options of late.
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If we conceeded a penalty where the keeper pulled out of the challenge and the Mexican forward made a massive effort to ensure there was contact, we would be screaming about them being cheats.
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Clear pen, but definitely not a clear goal scoring opportunity. So no red was correct from the ref.
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geez, clumsy challenge, the keeper DID NOT GET TO THE BALL (much like Glenn Moss in two of their goals and in both of those circumstances we conceded), perfectly damn justified. I don't see much pulling out by the keeper, but a whole lot of momentum towards the striker who gets to the ball first, then contact keeper on striker.
If it was a West Ham striker (if you've got one Sam'll play- and yes sorry about my paranoid suspicions about Big Sam with the Winnie injury- but I am still suspicious about Canavaro getting injured at training...) you'd be laughing all the way to your points...
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Jordan v Uruguay is on now
Stone me! Strange things happen in football at times - hard to believe but after their 5-0 home humiliation last week, Jordan got a 0-0 in Montevideo !!! I was expecting a 7-0 or something...Sounds like Jordan well & truly parked the bus (credit to Ricki for not doing that in Wellie)
Makes our scoreline aggregate the worst of the play-offs now = 2-9
http://gulfnews.com/sport/football/uruguay-draw-0-0-to-reach-brazil-2014-1.1257945
"....Left back Martin Caceres suggested that winning the first leg by such a big margin had made it harder to concentrate in the second.
“After winning 5-0 it was going to get complicated, we knew we had to take the match seriously,” he added. “We’d have liked to give the crowd a triumph and at least one goal to shout about but it wasn’t to be, that’s football.”
Despite needing to score at least five to have any hope of overturning the deficit, Jordan defended deep and in numbers on Wednesday, denying the South Americans scoring chances and making sure there would be no repeat of the 5-0 mauling.
The closest the home side came to scoring was when centre back Diego Godin headed against the bar just before halftime, but the lack of goals failed to dampen celebrations on the pitch or among the crowd of 60,000 in the stands.
“[Jordan] got what they wanted, a dignified role and a result that I suppose for them is very important,” coach Oscar Tabarez told the post-match news conference.
“We must accept...that the main reason why we couldn’t win was our rivals’ good tactics.”
Jordan’s Egyptian coach Hossam Hassan was pleased with his team’s reaction to their punishing defeat at home.
“We played very well, we met a very good team, very strong, with players from different parts of the world,” Hassan said.
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brockie should have been taken off for grabbing ball and missing penalty.very selfish attitude no thought of team and agreed penalty taker.41 games and counting.as for Herbert saying they exposed the Mexicans you were already 7 behind and playing a team without any European players.
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brockie should have been taken off for grabbing ball and missing penalty.very selfish attitude no thought of team and agreed penalty taker.41 games and counting.as for Herbert saying they exposed the Mexicans you were already 7 behind and playing a team without any European players.
So you know that Brockie wasn't the designated Penalty taker? Is that published in the program or something?
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brockie should have been taken off for grabbing ball and missing penalty.very selfish attitude no thought of team and agreed penalty taker.41 games and counting.as for Herbert saying they exposed the Mexicans you were already 7 behind and playing a team without any European players.
So you know that Brockie wasn't the designated Penalty taker? Is that published in the program or something?
Probably not a bad assumption that he wasn't.
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with the next generation of young, small, mobile players nz needs a coach away , very much, from the brittish style or the catenaccio style of the italians, need a ball tactic mind, that's why i say the catalunyan guy, check Ireland has changed under O'Neill to the grass football finally, away of the the brit stamp, even wth Kerr they tried so,.. it is good to have one or 2 players tall to offer havoc when needed like fallon,
NZ missed Reid and Killen 2 players that could have add a bit of bite to the team, Killen is so underrated a guy that tactically is impeccable, and can play center bck, center mid, wide and center forward. vs Bahrein Fallon, Paston and Nelsen got the pictures, for key situations of the game, but for me Killen was man of the match that day, he was all over the game and played a link to teammates a bit more after Elliot was suspended.
The national team was witthout Reid, Killen, Nelsen and Elliot this time around 4 players of great experience, tactically good, with expertise and commitment, that for different reasons they werent able to play. NZ couldnt replaced them properly when the holes left by them came a reality.
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Jordan v Uruguay is on now
Stone me! Strange things happen in football at times - hard to believe but after their 5-0 home humiliation last week, Jordan got a 0-0 in Montevideo !!! I was expecting a 7-0 or something...Sounds like Jordan well & truly parked the bus (credit to Ricki for not doing that in Wellie)
Makes our scoreline aggregate the worst of the play-offs now = 2-9
Having in mind the first leg result, I would rather take losing 2:4 on the day as we did, and ending on 2:9, than drawing 0:0 to end on 1:5.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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brockie should have been taken off for grabbing ball and missing penalty.very selfish attitude no thought of team and agreed penalty taker.41 games and counting.as for Herbert saying they exposed the Mexicans you were already 7 behind and playing a team without any European players.
So you know that Brockie wasn't the designated Penalty taker? Is that published in the program or something?
Probably not a bad assumption that he wasn't.
In the scheme of things he had the right to claim the first option on the pen.
Smeltz was talking to him prior to the kick, wonder if he gave him advice or was simply trying to persuade him to give it to him...
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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with the next generation of young, small, mobile players nz needs a coach away , very much, from the brittish style or the catenaccio style of the italians, need a ball tactic mind, that's why i say the catalunyan guy, check Ireland has changed under O'Neill to the grass football finally, away of the the brit stamp, even wth Kerr they tried so,.. it is good to have one or 2 players tall to offer havoc when needed like fallon,
Javier: we are in no position to employ a full-time imported coach from Europe just for the NT job, as we do not play enough international football to keep him busy. You could argue that a combined role of a NT coach with maybe a national developmental role etc. might be financially more likely. I doubt if these two types of jobs (requiring different skillsets) could be done by the same person, unless a national skill development plan is also to be remodelled in near future, to place more importance on ball skills, possession and passing.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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brockie should have been taken off for grabbing ball and missing penalty.very selfish attitude no thought of team and agreed penalty taker.41 games and counting.as for Herbert saying they exposed the Mexicans you were already 7 behind and playing a team without any European players.
So you know that Brockie wasn't the designated Penalty taker? Is that published in the program or something?
Probably not a bad assumption that he wasn't.
What do you base that assumption on? I would say the fact he took the penalty makes it a pretty good assumption that he was.
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The only other realistic option for the designated penalty taker is Smeltz, who has a history of missing them in high pressure situations (see: NZ vs Honduras, penalty missed in 90th minute, Glory vs Victory, penalty hit onto the crossbar in the 89th minute of a playoff which would have put Perth through to the semifinals).
Out of the two players that could potentially take penalties, why would you choose the one that has a history of being worse at them in important games?
I think the chance that Brockie was the designated penalty taker was quite high.
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