Vs Mexico 2nd Leg Wed 20th 7:00pm SS1

How shit is brockie? The kids atrocious

2nd Best.....I'm disappointed, like everyone, we didn't progress to the World Cup as we did four years ago but your posting above is really pathetic and so Riki lick arse. Not tracking Mexican runners defensively on our right was the reason for the 3-0 half time score due to Riki's ball watching zonal defense set up, sadly perfected on the night by Durante. 

Again I avoided the match day thread and people saying stupid shit like 'I hate Brockie'. This forum has a bad case of the Goldilocks Syndrome. "We played too defensive and got thrashed. We should have attacked more" "We played too attacking and getting opened up, we should defend more" Once again, the reality is, they are ranked in the 20s for a reason because we could have played with 13 men, and they still would have beaten us. They know who they are.


Ricki put out the team of the future (or the team the fans wanted) and for the most part, they played with reckless abandon and positive intent. They chased everything hard but in hindsight, an extra midfielder would have been better than a striker and they might have shapped better in a 4-5-1 (I think thats been mentioned?) The reason being is that we got split open a bit through there when we lost possession (James was quite guilty of that for all the good things he did). An extra body in the middle would have worked better I think and helped with the possession we had. It would have allowed McG to sit a little higher and be the outlet for James.


Mexico really sat off us in the second half once again and it allowed us to play. The ignorant few will say "Why did we not play with this team in Mexico" and the answer is that team would have got slaughtered worse in Mexico than 5-1 had we played this team in that manner. Mexico did not have to work as hard to split us open because the space was there but then as said last week, the reason why we sat deep was because the gaps in behind get exposed and thats EXACTLY what happened tonight - we took it 3-0. When they pushed forward, they came at us with pace and numbers. Durante got found out as an international CB and with two games like that on the trot, I think his days are done and Smith did not exactly perform to a level across both games that makes me think his performances were an anomaly either.


People think the Mexican goals were offside - they were not (a replay of Fallons is not favourable for onside though). The only mistake the referee made was that he missed one penalty and from where he was, he would not have been able to see it through the Mexicans body so all the talk of corruption (Javier) is really just a load of absolute toss. I thought both sets of officials did very well.


People that give Brockie shit and all the hate speech, he won the penalty and most teams give that person the right to take it. If I or any other poster were in the EXACT same position as he was with 41 games and no goals, we would have taken it as well. It was just not a very well taken penalty. Selfish? Nah I don't think so, he earned the right to take it. If Smeltz had missed, they would have said 'Why did Brockie not take it' I felt sorry for him to be honest.


In terms of players, I thought that Roux had an OK debut. Because of his continuous balls into the box, he cut out the man in front of him - Marco whom when he got on the ball, looked dangerous. Tuiloma played more ball to feet and that meant Kosta got involved more on his side. I don't think Marco played like a guy out of shape at all - he played like a man starved of the ball because instead of getting it from the RB, it went route 1 into the box. Even Harry was pointing it out. Tuiloma looks very relaxed and in a tighter game, he wont be allowed that first touch where the ball can roll 5 feet in front of him. I thought he played within the team plan better but then was so naive playing an offside trap. Fenton came on and looked better as an international RB than a club RB. Henderson put himself about, Kosta had a good game (although a bit of a black hole) and I actually thought Brockie was not as bad as others think. McG didn't do too much but nothing really bad, James made things happen but then coughed up the pill too much and i've already mentioned that I didn't think much of Smith or Durante. Smeltz looked definitely short a gallop. I'm on record of saying that Fallon is a has been but he has played well across both legs so I raise my hand in humilty and say hats off to the guy. He seems like a really genuine person that embraces his faith and incredibly positive and you need those guys that are genuine.


You can't forget Ricki and what he has done over his term. He takes some lumps but he also did some good stuff too. The one thing that disappointed me was prior to KO on Tony Veitchs Facebook page he posts this: "Listen to this guys: here's the word from one of the All Whites... Ricki Herbert 'has not talked to the team' since the loss in Mexico.. wow.. that is totally bizarre...!!!!" When he got called out about it he basically said that his source was a text from one of the players in the team that was sent to a mate of his and he had seen the text. Shit like that (whether its true or not) is a bit low class and not needed before kick off. Ricki was gone in 90mins, and had already announced it so who cares. Ricki has left this team in good shape for the next man coming in and for those that say he does not pick or play youth, there are a boat load of players in this team that can be there for nearly 2 WC cycles.


In all, we played ok tonight and it was an enjoyable watch. There were parts in both legs where we were allowed to play but the reality is, Mexico showed why they are ranked where they are and we are ranked where they are. You cannot argue with the score line across both legs.

JV you need to stop being so arrogant.

Wait for the JV essay in the making....

End of the day we played some good football but realistically Mexico were far too good.

going to the asia route is mandatory, competition to play at some qualifiying rounds, it is time with the new pool of players coming through  you have almost 30 under 26 years old players to build around plus some veterans.  The entrance of NZ and Oceanian alongside Asia , can create better chances for nz players to play in asian leagues

If the first one was a pen it should have been a red card...

tbf, it seems that people did enjoy this game a lot more than the first leg, or any other recent NZ game.  In a fixture that 99% right minded people knew we had absolutely no chance of winning, it appears that people preferred us losing while trying to play football as opposed to getting spanked when not - who would have thought that would be the case?

But was thinking that team- take out Brockie and durante and add Wood and Reid and MAAAAAAn...that is a good team...want to see us put up a real fight for the WC next time around...

End of the day we played some good football but realistically Mexico were far too good.

If you can do better, post your opinion on the game. I take a pretty wide view of it all and generally get a fair amount of agreement. At least I put myself out there and am prepared to stand by what I write. Can you?

if i were the nz football  I would take advantage of the wc in brazil and i would play some friendlies there to tour the team, and maximize the expeditures by playing 3 or 4 games there,

yeah wont happen. team wont play until after world cup. cant see anyone coming here for a friendly to be fair

Scotland always need a wee confidence boost so hopefully you guys come and play us...

We're also not busy around June next year incidentally.

Peoples opinion JV. Some were heartless over both legs

You've included some absolute donkeys Javier. Better options in CAPS

Feeling the love from the Mexican fans on the All Whites Facebook (now they've qualified):

https://www.facebook.com/AllWhites

• • Pedro Muñiz What a beautiful crowd, to be with your team till the end, is admirable. Thank you New Zealand, you are a noble people, and wish you the best.., and in the field you fought like warriors....Next time my friends..

    
    

  • José Rodrigo Castro Zepediux I'm mexican, but I admire the way you played, congratulations, You got so much heart, now you have a new fan.

    
    

  • Efren Carrillo Paredes Canta y no llores NZ Canta y no llores  "Sing and don't cry NZ sing and don't cry" good match great crowd (Translated by Bing)

  
  

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• arlos Enrique Morales   I love a New Zeland fans!!! I am from México. Congratulations...
  

• José Solis  Awesome crowd cheering the whole game now that's having love for you're team!! Arriva nueva zelanda!!
  
  

• Christian Hernández Sánchez  All Whites fans, are amazing we hope to see you again and good luck.

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• Angel Najera Zerecero Thank u NZL  your fans are amazing!  WE ARE BROTHERS

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• Eduardo Segura NZ don't cry .... your fans are awesome and amazing:)

• • Nestor Daniel Orozcoall whites and all the people in the stadium, thanks a lot. you made a great game on the pitch and in the stadium. you are amazing hope one day I have the fortune to be there enjoying as you did tonight. good luck all blacks too!! one game to make history!!!!
    

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  • Eric Contreras  #RESPECT to fans of All Whites from mexico

    
    

  • Cesar Salgado Im Mexican but your fans are awesome!! Unfourtanely one team had to loose.

    #respectforyouall

  • AND THERE ARE ALWAYS KIWIS LIVING EVERYWHERE INCLUDING MEXICO:

  
  
• Morrie Ex KiwiEx Good game boys. The bar here in Sayulita, Mexico went very quiet after Fallon's goal...
  

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• JEEZ, SOME LOVE US SO MUCH THEY'RE IMMIGRATING:

• Gerardo Guerrero As a mexican moving to new zealand it's nice to see your comment warner, and I'm sure the AW's will get better.
  

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