Yes, AFC or Nix involvement next time would be an obvious improvement, or more likely the best team from the new Oceania pro league. Which could be Christchurch United. The reality is that this fiasco is all FIFAs fault. They should never have let Oceania be severely weakened by letting Australia leave. Now it seems they are becoming aware of what a lame Confederation Oceania is.
It is pointless in the sense that this won’t prove who the best club team in the world is. imanixsupporter
Negligence not getting in guest players.
Yes having ACFC in this comp is silly but I disagree with the eurosupremacist attitude that the whole thing is a waste of time
It's good for global football though. Take some of the attention and some money away from Europe for once.
Not sure it takes any money away from Europe? If anything, it gives it more given the number of teams playing in it? It’s a waste of time. If it needs to exist then it should be the actual champions of each regions international competition. That’s all, but it doesn’t and just makes a mockery of domestic leagues. All it does is prolong the football season and run more players into the ground.
Disagree. This has long been needed to take attention away from a purely eurocentric view of football and give exposure to the global game. This can only be good for confederations not called UEFA.
As for the players workloads, tbh that's on the clubs. If Madrid doesn't have enough money to rotate a squad throughout a season then that's on them. Most Brazilian players there will play over 70 matches and they're well up for this. The ACFC lads will play 30 plus matches a season while working real jobs and they're still keen.
This grows the game internationally and as a kiwi and A-league fan that's great. Fudge Premier League dominace.
It is pointless in the sense that this won’t prove who the best club team in the world is. imanixsupporter
Negligence not getting in guest players.
Yes having ACFC in this comp is silly but I disagree with the eurosupremacist attitude that the whole thing is a waste of time
It's good for global football though. Take some of the attention and some money away from Europe for once.
Unfortunately, probably not. A lot needs to charge to make it good for global football. Currently there a two big flaws:
1. It helps lock the top teams at the top of their respective local competitions by providing a bigger financial leg up over their opponents. This level of financial difference is absolutely massive, particularly for the smaller leagues. 2. The prize money awarded is not even, teams are paid different amounts simply for participating in the tournament (European sides more, Auckland City the least). Alongside this teams that go further will earn more prize money (expected to be European sides), quite possibly further increasing the financial division.
Also I think worth noting on the Auckland City front, probably most accurate would be to say FIFA probably didn't care. They are just there to fill a spot and make sure every confederation gets a representative and make some headlines for the competition. Frankly how bad their weakest confederation's token entrant is probably isn't high on their priority list when it came to organising the CWC.
One silver lining is that the commentators kept saying "Auckland" fans, not "New Zealand" fans so at least those of us south of the Bomb Bays or north of the Brynderwyns escaped association with that hiding to nothing.
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For those keen to watch replays, UKs channel 5 are showing all games on their player on demand. Better then supporting the Saudi's via DAZN. Obviously a VPN required for those outside of the UK.
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The channel 5 feed is through DAZN anyway so what difference does it make?Marto
For those keen to watch replays, UKs channel 5 are showing all games on their player on demand. Better then supporting the Saudi's via DAZN. Obviously a VPN required for those outside of the UK.
It’s a realistic result. Auckland City is the best team in Oceania by the FIFA rules. And people are always make fun or disrespectful of bad teams, most of them wish to be in that position There is no disgrace to lose 10:0 against Bayern Munich, it’s one of the greatest football Clubs ever. I’m happy for all the players to experience this. Imagine you need to defend 90min against Kane, Müller, Musiala? It’s something you never forget. That said the Club World Cup is a non sense bloated money grab that no one wanted or actually take seriously.
The big thing about OFC Pro League is that ACFC can't participate because of their shamateur Trillian Trust funding model. So if A-League Reserve teams are out - that probably means Auckland United or, at a very wild guess, Wellington Olympic step up.
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The big thing about OFC Pro League is that ACFC can't participate because of their shamateur Trillian Trust funding model. So if A-League Reserve teams are out - that probably means Auckland United or, at a very wild guess, Wellington Olympic step up.
There is an Auckland club conglomeration bid to enter the OFC Pro League. Sounds like Ivan Vuksich is involved in this bid, that also maybe involves other Northern Region clubs.
If it's successful, maybe Auckland City reverts back to being Central if that makes it easier to be 'amateur' and retain the Trillian Trust funding.
Certainly you feel Auckland City's almost locked on participation at FIFA events is coming to an end, and maybe then by association it's dominance of NZ domestic football.
The big thing about OFC Pro League is that ACFC can't participate because of their shamateur Trillian Trust funding model. So if A-League Reserve teams are out - that probably means Auckland United or, at a very wild guess, Wellington Olympic step up.
Auckland United and Olympic (and every other club in NZ) have the same funding model - basically relying on trust funding and if you enter the OFC Pro league then you can't get that funding. Christchurch United probably are the only ones that don't rely on trust funding
10-0 loss is never great but it wasn't that long ago that Bayern Munich beat Barcelona 8-2
Despite Auckland City’s many heroics in the past and the deviant rhetoric before the match, the result was almost predictable between the world’s #6-ranked team and #4954 (according to Opta Data), and it has ignited renewed criticism of the new club tournament. Auckland City’s travelling fans get behind their team at TQL Stadium, Cincinnati. Photo: Shane Wenzlick / Phototek.
At a closer look, these calls mostly come from Europe, where the big clubs and player associations are screaming player burn-out and point at Monday’s mismatch as a waste of their time and their precious millionaires.
Few of those critics, however, have taken the time to ask the clubs and fans from Tunisia, South Korea, Egypt, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa, UAE or Mexico, how they feel about matching themselves against teams from all continents.
The critics ignore the thousands of excited Esperance Sportive de Tunesie supporters filling the arrival hall at JFK Airport, eagerly awaiting their matches against Chelsea and Flamengo, and Club Leon.
Bayern Munich star Leroy Sane stops for a photo with Auckland City’s Haris Zeb..
They may also not be aware of thousands of Palmeiras fans from Sao Paolo who have spent their life savings to see their heroes take on Lionel Messi’s Inter Miami, FC Porto and Al Ahly.
Until the FIFA Club World Cup, most teams have not had the opportunity to test their skills against clubs from other confederations, unless they win their continental title, and these moments are priceless moments in a player’s career, as well as inspire teams to push their boundaries.
Watching the Auckland players hovering in the corridors of the TQL Stadium, trying to swap shirts, have a chat or get a selfie with the Bayern superstars, was a heart-warming moment to show what sport is all about.
And Harry Kane, Thomas Müller, Jamal Musiala and friends were happy to oblige.
After all, they remember the time when they were still mere mortals, and the kind of joy of 10 seconds with your idol can bring to a fellow footballer.
The reality, however, is that the 10-0 scoreline is making headlines around the world for the wrong reasons, and Oceania football officials in their Auckland OFC headquarters will be concerned that some other confederations may challenge their place at the tournament.
OFC president Lambert Maltock has long argued that the Pacific is the only place without a professional competition and is stopping clubs and talented players from bridging the gap to the rest of the world, so next January, OFC will launch a new Pro League.
New Zealand is fortunate to have two clubs in the Australian A-League, but the new OFC league will create a stepping stone between OFC’s existing amateur competitions and overseas professional leagues.
The new competition is expected to push football in Oceania to a new level, and the most successful club will represent OFC at the next 2029 FIFA Club World Cup, without their players having to take unpaid leave like the brave Auckland City squad.
The problem isnt really the mis-match or the score for that matter - as Coochie has said above the great part of this event is the ability for players form all over the world to meet their heroes/idols and share the same turf as them. The media have picked the score as their headline - which isnt the point. Yes there is massive money for the winner and actually getting to the CWC. But at the end of the day it's meant to be a celebration of club football, representing your club and it's fans on the global stage. What other sport in the world has the 6th biggest club meeting the 4600th???
The South American teams are taking this very seriously.. always do. Boca brought over 25,000 fans to Miami, my club river plate have done similar numbers, New York City is full of Palmerias fans, only the euro teams look down upon this yet ironically take competitions like the carabao cup seriously.. I think there is a lot of valid reasons to critique this tourney, but don’t tell the South American or even AFCON teams this, this is massive for them
Any move by Infantino to try weaken the grip that UEFA have on football, no bad thing.
The euros hate him but tbh I haven't seen much bad from him at all in regards to football in "lesser" areas. I do wonder if a lot of the hate is driven by the fact that he simply doesn't always favor european football.
I guess it's kind of like poms complaining about Saudis outbidding everyone for players when that's what they've done to everyone else for years. Taste of their own medicine.
The South American teams are taking this very seriously.. always do. Boca brought over 25,000 fans to Miami, my club river plate have done similar numbers, New York City is full of Palmerias fans, only the euro teams look down upon this yet ironically take competitions like the carabao cup seriously.. I think there is a lot of valid reasons to critique this tourney, but don’t tell the South American or even AFCON teams this, this is massive for them
Any move by Infantino to try weaken the grip that UEFA have on football, no bad thing.
The euros hate him but tbh I haven't seen much bad from him at all in regards to football in "lesser" areas. I do wonder if a lot of the hate is driven by the fact that he simply doesn't always favor european football.
I guess it's kind of like poms complaining about Saudis outbidding everyone for players when that's what they've done to everyone else for years. Taste of their own medicine.
Didn't Infantino win the FIFA presidency ahead of UEFA's preferred candidate?
But yeah pre Covid he was also pushing a Global Nations League, when UEFA thought the Nations League concept was their idea.
He also was also pushing biennial World Cups, which UEFA & CONMEBOL were both dead against (to be honest fair enough), but other Confeds like OFC, CAF actually got a bit keen on that idea.
I mean UEFA & CONMEBOL now have a joint office in London. There is definitely a split between them and Infantino's FIFA.
Anyone arguing that a 10-0 scoreline shows the absurdity of the tournament is going to be wild when they find out about the 48 team world cup next year. CONCACAF, AFC and CAF all have relatively low-ranked teams currently on track to qualify, with more on track to make the interconfederation playoffs. There are going to be a few bloodbaths.
Doesn’t really make it any better though, does it? Fitzy
Anyone arguing that a 10-0 scoreline shows the absurdity of the tournament is going to be wild when they find out about the 48 team world cup next year. CONCACAF, AFC and CAF all have relatively low-ranked teams currently on track to qualify, with more on track to make the interconfederation playoffs. There are going to be a few bloodbaths.
Shark, I got beaten 10-0 by Stop Out, I still valued the experience.number8
It’s a realistic result. Auckland City is the best team in Oceania by the FIFA rules. And people are always make fun or disrespectful of bad teams, most of them wish to be in that position There is no disgrace to lose 10:0 against Bayern Munich, it’s one of the greatest football Clubs ever. I’m happy for all the players to experience this. Imagine you need to defend 90min against Kane, Müller, Musiala? It’s something you never forget. That said the Club World Cup is a non sense bloated money grab that no one wanted or actually take seriously.
Unfortunately for City both Boca and Benfica will be going full bore against them. Goal difference will probably quite important after they drew 2-2. Thundering game btw. Lots of skill and passion. The Boca fans were amazing. The Sth American teams are taking this very seriously as apposed to the Euro snobs who are concerned their delicate millionaire players are getting tired. The money and bling of world football rests in Europe but the games beating heart still resides in South America. Despite continually being stripped of their best players these clubs still can compete at this level.
Watching NP hovering around the sheds at Hutt Park, trying to swap shirts, have a chat or get a selfie with the Stop Out superstars, was a heart-warming moment to show what sport is all about.Napier Phoenix
Shark, I got beaten 10-0 by Stop Out, I still valued the experience.number8
It’s a realistic result. Auckland City is the best team in Oceania by the FIFA rules. And people are always make fun or disrespectful of bad teams, most of them wish to be in that position There is no disgrace to lose 10:0 against Bayern Munich, it’s one of the greatest football Clubs ever. I’m happy for all the players to experience this. Imagine you need to defend 90min against Kane, Müller, Musiala? It’s something you never forget. That said the Club World Cup is a non sense bloated money grab that no one wanted or actually take seriously.
Felt pretty sorry for Ivan Vicelich trying to reply to the questions at the press conference after the game. Unfortunately he doesn't have any cards up his sleeve, so he will be just trying to get his players to keep their shape, concentration etc in the next two games. Good luck ACFC.
Shark, I got beaten 10-0 by Stop Out, I still valued the experience.number8
It’s a realistic result. Auckland City is the best team in Oceania by the FIFA rules. And people are always make fun or disrespectful of bad teams, most of them wish to be in that position There is no disgrace to lose 10:0 against Bayern Munich, it’s one of the greatest football Clubs ever. I’m happy for all the players to experience this. Imagine you need to defend 90min against Kane, Müller, Musiala? It’s something you never forget. That said the Club World Cup is a non sense bloated money grab that no one wanted or actually take seriously.
I went down 10-1 to Cashmere Technical last year. It sucked.
It'll be interesting to see how many Benfica and Boca put past ACFC these next 2 matches.
Originally it looked like the would be nothing matches as whoever won between Boca and Benfica would likely go through with Bayern leaving nothing on the line against Auckland City.
But since they drew against each other and should probably lose to Bayern - they both need to put as many goals Past ACFC as possible to go through on goal difference
I suspect City will seriously park the bus with five at the back. I sure hope they limit the damage somehow. The 0-10 really made NZ football look like a joke. Benfica are a really technically gifted team. Argentine legend Di Maria is still playing well for them. Will be a tough match
