Will he be playing though? I thought he was overseas with that squad
Will he be playing though? I thought he was overseas with that squad
He'll be playing
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Auckland being deserved winners, although the scoreline is a little flattering with two keeper's howlers contributing. Nelson never threatened the Auckland goal - we really missed our own petulant star, Mr Omar Guardiola. A nice sized rowdy crowd too.
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Auckland being deserved winners, although the scoreline is a little flattering with two keeper's howlers contributing. Nelson never threatened the Auckland goal - we really missed our own petulant star, Mr Omar Guardiola. A nice sized rowdy crowd too.
Good for Nelson getting to the final. Like the sound of your crowd. Any chance of Nelson pushing on and putting a side in next season's ASBP?
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Apparently 1,000 people were at the youth league final today. If that is the case Nelson should be given a license to enter a team in the ASBP
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Auckland being deserved winners, although the scoreline is a little flattering with two keeper's howlers contributing. Nelson never threatened the Auckland goal - we really missed our own petulant star, Mr Omar Guardiola. A nice sized rowdy crowd too.
I don't know about rowdy, but at least they tried to get behind the team. Auckland were a class above, and their record of one loss in the last three years (on penalties too) proves that.
Agree that Omar was missed immensely, just never looked like coming back into it. Although that is typical Falcons, come back and win games they perhaps don't deserve to win.
Ironic that Auckland's Ross McPhie (who left Nelson a year ago) was unbelievable, however if he was playing for Nelson I'm sure the score would've still been the same.
Can't see Nelson being in the ASB Premiership any time soon. The youth is there, but with no university there just isn't the quality at senior level. Putting them in ASB Premiership would dilute the youth team too. Fair to say they wouldn't have made the youth final without Ryan Stewart, Omar Guardiola and Coey Turipa who would all start in a senior team.
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Apparently 1,000 people were at the youth league final today. If that is the case Nelson should be given a license to enter a team in the ASBP
Where are the players coming from?
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Players go where $$, and success live. They also like a summer, nice beer and heaps of attractive women from all around the world wearing backpacks. Also, there's plenty of talent in Welli not in the TW squad, or not getting game time. A short commute for the right man??.
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
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Apparently 1,000 people were at the youth league final today. If that is the case Nelson should be given a license to enter a team in the ASBP
Where are the players coming from?
Are there no football clubs in Nelson?
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
Does the team have to be made up of 100% Nelson based or native players?
Doubt there's a team in the whole ASBP with all players based in the franchise home City
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Nope. Its not an "all locals" or "all imports" debate. You must have a balance of both for results, community buy in, and sustainability. The best way to destroy a franchise is to lose every weekend.
If we get the license I'd like to see at least five or six "imports" in the first two or three seasons, and a good look at coaching options.
Its crucial that young Nelson players develop alongside some of the best ASB talent and coaches - anything else is doing them a disservice, and setting them up to get smashed week in week out, which aint good for anyone.
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How many players in Nelson could you honestly say are ASB Premiership quality? ..they need a squad of what, 20-25 players?
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Thats a good point. But I reckon chuck six ASB players into that Falcons side from (keeper up the middle till Striker), pray for no injuries, call back a few Nelsonians like Panzer etc, add a Mainland senior player, a brazilian backpacker, and we would'nt come last in our first year:)
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I think it's unrealistic to expect an entire team to move here/move back here. (You can't just put the youth team in the senior league, what happens to the youth squad then?)
Nelson Suburbs has produced some ASB Premiership quality players in the past, but would they really move back to Nelson to play national league football? I'm not so sure.
I still think at this stage it's best to develop the players until they're 20, then let them go do something with their lives outside of the region whether it's study, travel, work or to try make one of the current ASB Premiership teams spread around the country.
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We agree to disagree Mr Garcia! Running a sustainable local football franchise isn't easy, but Nelson has everything in its favour at the moment.
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
No a great example.
Nelson Area has a popolation of 45000 or so. Hawkes Bay around 148,000 and Dunedin 118000..... so maybe it is all about the numbers!
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
No a great example.
Nelson Area has a popolation of 45000 or so. Hawkes Bay around 148,000 and Dunedin 118000..... so maybe it is all about the numbers!
Maybe check your numbers mate!!
Nelson Marlborough Falcons is a bit of a clue
Not just Nelson area that they'd draw players from but nice try.....
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
No a great example.
Nelson Area has a popolation of 45000 or so. Hawkes Bay around 148,000 and Dunedin 118000..... so maybe it is all about the numbers!
Maybe check your numbers mate!!
Nelson Marlborough Falcons is a bit of a clue
Not just Nelson area that they'd draw players from but nice try.....
OK add in another 42000 for the seething hotbed of football that is Marlborough, comment still stands .
While obviously not all about the numbers, it has an enormous impact. Yes you could bring in players to supplement local players but with such a limited population base the ability to raise sponsorship is greatly reduced. For a team to survive on a long term basis, it must have a core of locally based players.
They have a pretty good youth team but it is a very long step from that to the ASBP.
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
No a great example.
Nelson Area has a popolation of 45000 or so. Hawkes Bay around 148,000 and Dunedin 118000..... so maybe it is all about the numbers!
Maybe check your numbers mate!!
Nelson Marlborough Falcons is a bit of a clue
Not just Nelson area that they'd draw players from but nice try.....
OK add in another 42000 for the seething hotbed of football that is Marlborough, comment still stands .
While obviously not all about the numbers, it has an enormous impact. Yes you could bring in players to supplement local players but with such a limited population base the ability to raise sponsorship is greatly reduced. For a team to survive on a long term basis, it must have a core of locally based players.
They have a pretty good youth team but it is a very long step from that to the ASBP.
Much like the hotbed of football that is Hastings!!
I actually agree with a lot of what you say and am not advocating a Nelson team just suggesting that a percieved lack of playing numbers shouldnt be the only reason not to have an ASBP franchise as 2nd Best is implying
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
No a great example.
Nelson Area has a popolation of 45000 or so. Hawkes Bay around 148,000 and Dunedin 118000..... so maybe it is all about the numbers!
Maybe check your numbers mate!!
Nelson Marlborough Falcons is a bit of a clue
Not just Nelson area that they'd draw players from but nice try.....
OK add in another 42000 for the seething hotbed of football that is Marlborough, comment still stands .
While obviously not all about the numbers, it has an enormous impact. Yes you could bring in players to supplement local players but with such a limited population base the ability to raise sponsorship is greatly reduced. For a team to survive on a long term basis, it must have a core of locally based players.
They have a pretty good youth team but it is a very long step from that to the ASBP.
Nelson 40,000
Tasman 40,000
Marlborough 40,000
..so must be close. But population alone can't be the deciding factor. Nelson having the best youth in the South Island + Manawatu, Wairarapa and Wellington is a better answer. But how many of those players stay in Nelson once they're 20? Hardly any I bet.
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I don't think 2nd Best was implying they don't have enough players, more that they don't have the number of ASB Premiership quality players.
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I don't think 2nd Best was implying they don't have enough players, more that they don't have the number of ASB Premiership quality players.
Watches a lot of games in Nelson does he?
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Except the key ingredient. Players.
Probably got about as many as Napier and Hawke's Bay Utd do OK....
But not as many as Otago who dont do OK
So not all about numbers is it
No a great example.
Nelson Area has a popolation of 45000 or so. Hawkes Bay around 148,000 and Dunedin 118000..... so maybe it is all about the numbers!
Maybe check your numbers mate!!
Nelson Marlborough Falcons is a bit of a clue
Not just Nelson area that they'd draw players from but nice try.....
OK add in another 42000 for the seething hotbed of football that is Marlborough, comment still stands .
While obviously not all about the numbers, it has an enormous impact. Yes you could bring in players to supplement local players but with such a limited population base the ability to raise sponsorship is greatly reduced. For a team to survive on a long term basis, it must have a core of locally based players.
They have a pretty good youth team but it is a very long step from that to the ASBP.
Nelson 40,000
Tasman 40,000
Marlborough 40,000
..so must be close. But population alone can't be the deciding factor. Nelson having the best youth in the South Island + Manawatu, Wairarapa and Wellington is a better answer. But how many of those players stay in Nelson once they're 20? Hardly any I bet.
How many move to play at a higher level?
Would any stay if there were more options?
Could they be any worse than Otago/Southern Utd?
Are they even interested in having a Senior team?
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
Team Wgtn had 2 players take the field in the final that were born and bred and came through the ranks in Wellington.
The rest imports to Wellington!
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
Team Wgtn had 2 players take the field in the final that were born and bred and came through the ranks in Wellington.
The rest imports to Wellington!
Tell me about it!
I think Nelson could do a reasonable impression of Otago or Manawatu in the ASB Premiership. The question is whether that's a good idea or not, or whether they are better doing what they're doing and taking care of the local yoof.
There is a good deal of logic to supporting the local kids until they're of an age where they tend to leave the region anyway.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
Team Wgtn had 2 players take the field in the final that were born and bred and came through the ranks in Wellington.
The rest imports to Wellington!
Guess that proves 2nd Best point then if Wellington havent got enough players then what hope Nelson!!
Best to just scrap the league then and let The Phoenix produce all there own players, Oh thats right they cant afford too.....
So the parasite needs its host more then it needs them!!
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Sure it would be a struggle for Nelson to produce an ASBP team that could compete with the heavyweights like ACFC and Wellington but I'd still like to see them try. if they could attract a regular following of 500 or so supporters they could be viable, like Hawke's Bay. Who knows, they might surprise everyone. There must be two or three local young players who could make the grade. It would certainly make an enjoyable away trip for us.
I think both Nelson and South Auckland would be welcome additions to the competition, which certainly needs revitalizing.
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Sure it would be a struggle for Nelson to produce an ASBP team that could compete with the heavyweights like ACFC and Wellington but I'd still like to see them try. if they could attract a regular following of 500 or so supporters they could be viable, like Hawke's Bay. Who knows, they might surprise everyone. There must be two or three local young players who could make the grade. It would certainly make an enjoyable away trip for us.
I think both Nelson and South Auckland would be welcome additions to the competition, which certainly needs revitalizing.
Agree the competition needs new blood to be revitalised. Not sure Nelson is a long term winner.
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
Team Wgtn had 2 players take the field in the final that were born and bred and came through the ranks in Wellington.
The rest imports to Wellington!
yes and no. Plenty of them live in Wellington. Wellington is a major city so it's not surprising that people move here for jobs/uni etc.
Unfortuantely Nelson doesn't have that attraction. It's also has a older population.
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I don't think 2nd Best was implying they don't have enough players, more that they don't have the number of ASB Premiership quality players.
Watches a lot of games in Nelson does he?
LG is right.
Sure it's not the best comparison, but Nelson teams haven't made a great run in the Chatham Cup.
Nelson college made the last 32 in 2013. As did suburbs in 2012.
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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose if the team aren't locals?
Team Wgtn had 2 players take the field in the final that were born and bred and came through the ranks in Wellington.
The rest imports to Wellington!
yes and no. Plenty of them live in Wellington. Wellington is a major city so it's not surprising that people move here for jobs/uni etc.
Unfortuantely Nelson doesn't have that attraction. It's also has a older population.
It has plenty other attractions though - a lot more than Palmy. If they could give it a go, and the Bay can still do it, then Nelson's worth trying in my book.
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Deleted due to not reading the thread title properly!
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South Auckland are first cab off the rank. Supposedly.
And would make the most sense.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Deleted earlier post, as I thought this was about the Youth League but, yeah, from what I hear South Auckland will be next up if another ASBP franchise is admitted.
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