ASBP 2014/2015

Where do you get the 20k profit on each entry fee from?

His ass?

Id be dubious about NZFs ability to account for the tea money , let alone make any sort of profit ....theyve probably spent it on a new fax machine ...

TW has been Miramar for three or four years. And ACFC hardly draw from central do they - it's the other way around?

.. And you have to look real hard to spot the non cashmere players at canterbury united.

Strange that having the majority of your squad from a winter team that did the double!!

As usual, carefully reasoned and thought out 2nd Best, bet that required a lie down and a cup of tea afterwards.

It has been already outlined on this thread that the cost for travel of each franchise is roughly $45,000 a season so the extra $20,000 the NZF charge each franchise to compete in the ASBP is an added fee for so-called promotion/advertising, which we all know they simply trouser for their own ends. Hence the excessive top-up accusation. I wouldn't mind if NZF actually spent the extra money on the ASBP but they clearly don't so why put this extra pressure on struggling franchises?

Back to the purile humour. 

So you don't think the ASBP is worth investing in Tegal? I guess that's where we disagree.

Guess it depends what the return on investment is. If the Phoenix barely see an increase in crowds when they do an advertising push, I suspect it will be the same for ASBP clubs.

Yes, it's absolutely terrible when organisations trouser money for their own ends and leave other more deserving organisations struggling isn't it?

I'm sure the many community organisations in Auckland who don't receive funding from the Trillion Trust while a semi-professional football team gets $500k per annum would agree with you (and let's not forget the $200k Central also get).

Now I'm not saying you're completely wrong about NZF and the ASBP, but I do think you're being VERY selective about who you try and hold accountable for the rights and wrongs of how the league is funded.

If some of the organisations on the Trillion Trust's declined grants list ever tried to hold you and Trillion to the same standards you wish to hold NZF it could get interesting.

"Why have we been denied 20k for life rafts when you give them 700k to play players" sort of thing?

Have included cost of travel in NYL in your calculations?

The Southern section travel costs are huge!! 

Wouldn't a large chunk of BM's "missing" $160k go towards the salary of the Competitions Manager? Which leaves a much more modest sum for promotion/marketing and other operating costs?

What about competitions guys, media, referees etc....

Hello there,

I recall that the last figures I saw, at the end of the 2011-12 season, showed the national league (including the youth league) ran at an annual profit of about $25-30,000.(You have to factor in the sort of stuff where they send an Auckland ref to do an Otago game etc for swallowing up money).

But the big question was about the $300,000 of accumulated funds (to that date) from World Club Champs and what exactly happened to it. NZF would argue it was swallowed up by media/PR , Media Guide, Radio adverts, websites.

Of course the bigger imponderbale was how much of the tens of thousands of sponsorship money from ASB actually went into the national league pot (it's the ASB Premiership, remember) as opposed to other parts of the domestic game.

In my view they are quite reasonable questions. I was always astonished that clubs themselves got so little detail about finances of a league that is effectively run by an incorporated society in which they are stakeholders..

Hope this helps.

Best sides the once a year dole check from the Trust and WCC money (If successful), All ASB Prem teams have sponsors on there shirt and ground boards etc i noticed this money was not brought forward. Also the ASB prem Youth team players must play there sanction fees and some other fees, This is not the case for the senior team players as there clubs cover these fee. Then there is the odd gate fee and membership programs that all ASB teams have.

Add that up.

Hi Royz, not being funny, but I am at a loss to follow exactly what you are saying there. 

Are you arguing a proposition? 

If so, could you elaborate or clarify.

Ok it just sounds like every ASB prem team runs at a loss or struggles due to NZF grabbing funds unfairly. 

My point is besides Trust funds (And world club cup win-fall) each individual side/team has a major sponsor/sponsors and not all but most have billboard/flag signs and other sponsorship dollars coming in. 

So i am saying how about adding that up, NZF does not take money from shirt sponsors/ Or other individual team sponsors.

The sponsors of the actual league itself and where that funding goes is a good point, Besides NZF running the ASB website?.

Lot of local sponsorship would be "in kind" as opposed to cash.

LOL well i know for a fact as i asked "How much" was it to have a sign put up at ACFC i forget the actual size but it was quite small and the cost was $3000 a year but i had to have it for 3 years otherwise it was going to cost more. This was a home ground flag sponsor.  I also did this with Team Wellington and another club - No of them asked for vouchers - a none mentioned "none profit" deal.

There is no question franchises attract varying amounts of sponsorship which goes towards their individual operations.

But that is incidental to the main issue being debated here: that some people in the game believe there is a discrepancy between the aggregate total of entry fees $65,000 plus GST, league sponsorship (ASB) and Club World Cup money) on one hand - and the aggregate annual costs of running the league (& youth league).

If there is indeed a discrepancy, the issue is: what happens to that money, and how should it be best used in the interests of the league.

Who funds the ASB womens league? Is it not NZF?.

A question, do gaming trusts provide funding against league entry fees?

Seems to me the main focus of NZF is international success so with that in mind who can tell me a country that enjoys international success that doesn't have a reasonable domestic league and instead is obsessed with overseas domestic leagues? 

It seems to me there is little to no reasons not to want a successful domestic league and it appears that BM is passionate about having a domestic league and I applaud this. 

a lot of African countries. 

Bosnias teams never made it past qualifying stage of the CL, but their national team are in the WC. 

Probably a few more examples. 

A strong domestic league doesn't necessarily mean equivalent success in international competition either. 

But I do think the ASBP plays a part in developing players for eventual international success. But I wouldn't go as far as to say it is crucial to success. 

While I appreciate your lukewarm recognition of our national league I would disagree with your final point Tegal. The ASBP is crucial to the development of the game in NZ and thus the success of the All Whites. Many of the current All White squad have played in the national league and that's certainly true of the current Under 20 squad (leaving aside the Wanderers last season). The ASBP is the intermediate school to the high school of world professional football.

This why it's important that NZF starts to pay more attention to the development of the ASBP rather than largely leave it to its own devices. There's no question that a vibrant national league will feed through to a stronger All Whites, and dare I say, Phoenix who can cherry pick the best players.

yeah true enough. No doubt its important. I just also think there are other avenues for players, and development. 

And the fund raising begins

Such as?

professional football

Problem solved then!! 

Dont worry how players get to pro football that will work itself out.

No need for a national league or a decent Club structure just leave it all to Wellington Phoenix they'll see us right 

US College system. 

That hasn't actually worked out though has it?  We've had a load of kids go down that route, and how many have actually gone on to pro football or the AWs?  I don't know the exact answer and I may be off here but instinctively there aren't many, Boxall one of the only ones?  COnsidering the numbers that's quite a poor return

not so much any more I guess. But Elliott, Nelsen, Davis, Oughton back in the day

through one of the million academies?

academies producing good players and finding them clubs or trials overseas. And where did I say no club structure? I was saying there are examples where domestic top leagues aren't actually very good, but their national team is good. 

Looooong time ago now.

I'm not saying the ASBP doesn't help those top players in the country develop, but just saying that claiming it's crucial for that on the basis that our best players have played in it isn't a sound argument.