ASBP 2014/2015

OK then please tell Ali, what positive contributions have NZF made in the past to the National League and now for it's future? (apart from keeping players fit for the Phoenix and developing age group players).

The reason why the ASB premiership has not developed is the crippling financial burden placed on franchises. The $65k entry fee for a 14 game regular season is well over the top. The actual travel costs for most teams, except Otago are around $40k so why the $25k difference should be given back to the franchises to market the games in their ,local communities. NZF said the $25k was used to market the league, what at load of rubbish 

If it wasn't for Auckland the league would not be here today. I'm not an Auckland fan but the money they win every year keeps the other franchises alive. also remember that NZF get approx$90k from Aucklands winnings 

Auckland is the benchmark for the league and other franchises need to aim to get to their standard on and off the pitch. all franchises rely heavily on gaming money and the rules have changed in that space. All funders are required to give money back to the communities it came from, so the provincial towns are limited. In Hamilton, there are now only two main funding trusts,Lion and grassroots where Auckand have a bigger market. that is where NZF can help the provincial franchises

The ASB premiership must stay but it's vital the national body actually support it properly

Its a nice cash cow for NZF , certainly their  marketing is appalling , things would improve if the ASBP ran themselves , all NZF bring to the party is nuetrality and incompetance ....

Couldn't agree more with this post. While I accept Ali's point that NZ football supporters need to get out and support ASBP matches, what really annoys me is the way NZF take from the franchises, particularly ACFC's O League winnings, and give nothing back. NZF could make it much easier for franchises to compete by not overcharging them to compete, by not creaming off a slice of the O League prize money and by actually investing national body funds in promotion of the ASBP. By the above reckoning it seems NZF actually takes close to $250,000 out of the ASBP/O League rather than investing in its own national league. This money could buy serious promotion and a TV highlights package for starters or relieve financial pressure on the smaller franchises. They should also be responsible for bringing on board a decent sponsor to invest in the competition. Unfortunately the ASBP does not figure in NZF's priorities, which are the AWs and the Phoenix. For that NZF needs a major kick up the backside which I'm happy to administer.

Dude you lose any credibility your posts might have by having pots at the Nix like a big sulky baby.

NZF to pay for ASB prem matches to be shown live on TV? Fkn LOL! If a free to air channel does not even want to put a 5 min high-lite package together then you have to think......Is the product worthy?. ACFC are indeed doing there thing however i find it funny watching (OCL TV) people hanging there cloths out to dry in the background at ACFC home games. You don't see that in the pacific islands

Also if the league games where shorten due to sustainability from some clubs when it was a 8 league format - Why was it expanded (before nix and wanderers) and the 3rd round of games not reinstalled?.   Its like what i see from the A-League when it started to where it is now.

- Not enough money from clubs to survive from sponsors and gate money.

- NZF cant sell the rights to the ASP prem when no one wants it at all on there network. And if it miraculously did then it would have to filter it to the clubs without hurting there Amateur status.

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Nonsense, I'm merely stating a fact. By saying NZF are more interested in the All Whites and Phoenix than their own national league I'm not taking pot shots at the AWs or Nix, I'm explaining reality. That's what has been happening for years. It's you guys who seem to leap up on the merest hint of any criticism of the Nix who risk credibility. Pick holes in my arguments against NZF's performance with regards to the ASBP by all means but stop being so silly. Starting with "dude" and ending with "big sulky baby" is pretty pathetic for a reasoned debate. No wonder you endorsed it JV and Tegal, it's right up your alley.

So what resources from NZF are the nix getting that the ASBP aren't...?

But the thing is BM, you have not answered the question put to you time and time again. Tegal has just asked it ONCE again.

If you want to have an open and frank discussion, you have to debate all points. Most have merit but sell us this 'fact' that the Phoenix take resources from NZF that should be for the ASBP. If you can't, then you understand why the point gets endorsed. Its been put to you a few times, just answer it and we can all move along.

What I've kept saying, and I'll do so again, is it's all about "focus". NZF's focus is on the AWs and Phoenix. For example, Andy Martin has recently been talking about how they'll fit a Phoenix reserve team in the ASBP, just like they slotted in the Wanderers last season. He hasn't been talking about investing directly in and promoting the ASBP in its own right but merely using it to get game time for the reserve Phoenix players as if that's all it's worth. That's what I'm talking about, it's not me taking pot shots at the Nix of AWs as you claim. The Phoenix is an Australian registered club with wealthy backers, they can look after themselves.The ASBP is our domestic national league but NZF don't see the ASBP/O League as a primary investment focus - instead they actually take funds out of them for their own ends, as has been explained it you read the posts. Yet it seems their only interest in the ASBP is to get game time for the Under 20 team and now the Phoenix reserves. NZF lets the ASBP finance itself and then uses it for their own ends when it suits them. They don't treat the national league as an entity worth promoting in its own right. It's not me who's not answering the question. Try to get a handle on what's being debated. There is no NZF investment in the ASBP - fact! They have invested in the Wanderers (read AWs) - fact! They have invested in the Phoenix in the past - fact! Their main "focus" for next season is to get the Phoenix reserves in the ASBP - fact! This is the reality.

Some fair points here - but my understanding is that $100,000 a season would buy a weekly ASBP TV roundup, that surely can't be beyond NZF, especially when it helps itself to about $250,000 in ASBP entry fees and O League winnings (by ACFC). If that money wasn't skimmed off by NZF and instead actually put into promoting the ASBP properly I think gates and interest would lift. It could also finance the cost of another round of games so the season isn't so short. I know there's a lot of pessimism about the ASBP but decent investment would attract interest and sponsors. It's a great product.

Bring back YHM

I'm not saying NZF are blameless - I'm just saying that you can bitch and moan about them all you want and you won't make them improve

THIS !!!!

Maybe you Akld City lot can get your massive supporter base along to the AW game tonight so Akld won't be an embarrassment 

And the O League.

Didn't Auckland have the biggest attendance at a Phoenix game last season by some margin? Just pointing out a fact by the way.

Don't buy into the Wel v Akl pissing contest at all, but comments like this one astonish me. The NZ national team is playing in your backyard and you're gibbering about strong Aussie connections? If ACFC are the saviours of NZ Football, and their supporters are (as some of you claim) the guardians of all that is good and true about football in NZ, then why take the piss, in this way, about YOUR national team?

So the nix haven't got any resources from NZF that ASBP haven't. Cool. 

You mean this guy?

Sounds like you City lot don't actually support the AWs. Which makes sense given you think football in NZ exists to support Akld City

Yawn.

I can imagine the wellcentric arguments in 4 years... "Well WP stadium sold out in November 2013 for the AW's but Akl only managed 9K in May 2014 so obviously Aucklanders hate football and we should hold the AW's Vs Argentina in Wellington"

Welly is " THE HOME OF NZ FOOTBALL  ...."

at least according to the " Saviour of NZ Football ...."

Unfortunately for this fable some of us have memories , and can count ....

Yawn. 

ACFC the saviors of Croatian football.

Can't we all just get along?

Actually forget that.It's more entertaining this way.

It's vital the ASB survives

I am nervous about the Nix Reserves playing in the ASB on two fronts.The first, is how an professional club  can play in an amateur league without  impacting  on the gaming trusts other franchises rely on. The trusts can only give funds to an amateur team . We all know teams can get around that but the rules around gaming money are changing

The second concern , is the quality of the team. If you base it on the challenger games they played against ASB franchises in the past few years then it will be a joke. The Nix reserves were rubbish and actually didn't take it seriously

We need a strong Nix team to grow NZF but I'm not sure the ASB league is the way to go.

I agree with BM that NZF treats the ASB franchises appalling. They just take money from the franchises without reinvesting back into the league. The franchise contracts between NZF and franchises actually state NZF with the O League winnings will reinvest into the league. The pure and simply don't

NZF has used the ASB as a cash cow for many years at the expense of the franchises. I'm not talking about NZF having the league on TV but there are other ways to support franchises. They promised franchises money to assist with a GM but they reneg on that

All we are asking is NZF show respect for the hard work the franchises put in. You have to remember franchise are run by volunteers

There is space for a strong ASB league as well as strong Nix team

On the gambling trust issue, they don't give money to run teams (per se) do they? Money is given for things like coaching, equipment, maintenance etc and not wages or salaries for players. Where the likes of ACFC and the Nix differ is that they are amateur vs professional organisations where the whole dyamics are different. While in reality they might both want to be sustainable and make money, Nix want a $ return for their owners and the amateur clubs want to run things as well as possible without members (not owners) having to dip into their own pockets. Largely its a choice each club makes itself as to what banner and set of rules it wishes to operate under. Each has its plusses and minusses.

Agree ...but think NZF is less than clear where the cash goes vis a vis the whole Pnix operation 

The NZF incompetance thing is what Id like to see some effort put into ....cant see it happening with the new people , theyve gone to the default " mushroom setting ".....