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about 12 years ago

Also Canterbury had the 2nd best defensive record but really couldn't put away the goals.  Yes Kamo may hold the ball up well but we lack a quality striker who can actually put the ball in the net.  If you take away Clapham's penalties from goals scored our scoring ability from play is not good.

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about 12 years ago

Scoring goals has always been a problem, as keep stating 3 regulars scorers in the MPL have never made squad. Having a tight defence doesn't mean anything if cant get goals. Canterbury only on way down now as Imagine some players moving on! so if Keith quits who we think Mick Braithwaite or John Brown?

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about 12 years ago

JB and KB swap jobs?

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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about 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

JB and KB swap jobs?

Only thing with that is both squads wouldn't change it still be the same players

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about 12 years ago

True that. Reality is that there may simply be no better option available at present.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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about 12 years ago

Which in itself reflects the state of footy in canterbury. Board won't do anything drastic though, as they are unlikely to see it as a disastrous year.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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about 12 years ago

So then they will probably stick with KB. I think Clapham may have played his last game for Canterbury also 

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about 12 years ago

if they think that then they are easily pleased

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about 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

True that. Reality is that there may simply be no better option available at present.


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about 12 years ago
onthemoney wrote:

Also Canterbury had the 2nd best defensive record but really couldn't put away the goals.  Yes Kamo may hold the ball up well but we lack a quality striker who can actually put the ball in the net.  If you take away Clapham's penalties from goals scored our scoring ability from play is not good.

Hi first time YF post but as a CU fan living in Auckland I've been impressed with Kamo
I don't believe he is the problem the problem is a stricker should in theory get 50% of the goals and currently excluding Clapham who else is going to score???
Has Kamo not done his job?
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about 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

Which in itself reflects the state of footy in canterbury. Board won't do anything drastic though, as they are unlikely to see it as a disastrous year.


Out of the proper teams in the league, they finished last.

Three for me, and two for them.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

what's the view from down there on how seriously the players take themselves?  

also, in terms of preparation, auckland and waitak train like genuine semi pros.  preparation starts pretty much as soon as the northern league ends (or even before).  while team wellington have a fair chunk of their squad with the phoenix through the a-league pre-season.

it seems that canterbury cobbled together their squad 2-3 weeks before the season began

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about 12 years ago

Wait til you see Kamo's goal from today! Top class!

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about 12 years ago
onthemoney wrote:

Also Canterbury had the 2nd best defensive record but really couldn't put away the goals.  Yes Kamo may hold the ball up well but we lack a quality striker who can actually put the ball in the net.  If you take away Clapham's penalties from goals scored our scoring ability from play is not good.

Hi first time YF post but as a CU fan living in Auckland I've been impressed with Kamo
I don't believe he is the problem the problem is a stricker should in theory get 50% of the goals and currently excluding Clapham who else is going to score???

Has Kamo not done his job?



No not in this league.  Most times he gets the ball he falls over.  He needs to stay on his feet.
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about 12 years ago
reg22 wrote:

what's the view from down there on how seriously the players take themselves?  

also, in terms of preparation, auckland and waitak train like genuine semi pros.  preparation starts pretty much as soon as the northern league ends (or even before).  while team wellington have a fair chunk of their squad with the phoenix through the a-league pre-season.

it seems that canterbury cobbled together their squad 2-3 weeks before the season began



Going by their first results probably correct....
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about 12 years ago
Bomling wrote:

Wait til you see Kamo's goal from today! Top class!



Can't wait.  I take it he did not fall over?
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about 12 years ago

CU must be gutted. They should have at least qualified for the playoffs. Loss to Wanderers early on and recently to HBU at home proved decisive. When they played ACFC at Kiwitea Street I thought CU were good value although I can appreciate they need a goal scorer.

Would be a shame if KB moved on, I appreciate his passion. Think the CU board needs to invest more in the team. At least it won't end up an all Auckland final and ACFC have secured their O League spot for 2015.

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about 12 years ago

The game today could easily have seen the chips fall differently were it not for Robinson pulling off several saves.  Goals conceded were 2 great strikes from 25 yards (1 a free kick) and 1 wind assisted direct from a corner type.  Canterbury's obvious problem I think this year is depth.  I like reg's comment about the squad being cobbled together at the last minute.  They probably spend their budget on the core of the team and flesh out the rest of the squad with youth and the best of those who are keen.  Clapham and Kamo drifted in and out of today's game but they are the obvious class of the side.  All in all, Canterbury obviously not achieved what they've hoped for but they've shown they can compete with the best on their day (Auckland - 2 draws) and over the course of a season, to compete you need a stronger extended group, no matter who is the coach!

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about 12 years ago
Bomling wrote:

Wait til you see Kamo's goal from today! Top class!


Yes! And some!
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about 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

... No doubting Keith's desire and I'm sure he's going all he can. But now it's time to ask, is there anyone else who could do a better job?

Yes. Several. Regardless he is the incumbent with a year to run on his contract, no doubt an extensive review will hopefully identify the issues that undermined this seasons campaign, poor pre-season and start being an obvious one.

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about 12 years ago
Bomling wrote:

The game today could easily have seen the chips fall differently were it not for Robinson pulling off several saves.  Goals conceded were 2 great strikes from 25 yards (1 a free kick) and 1 wind assisted direct from a corner type.  Canterbury's obvious problem I think this year is depth.  I like reg's comment about the squad being cobbled together at the last minute.  They probably spend their budget on the core of the team and flesh out the rest of the squad with youth and the best of those who are keen.  Clapham and Kamo drifted in and out of today's game but they are the obvious class of the side.  All in all, Canterbury obviously not achieved what they've hoped for but they've shown they can compete with the best on their day (Auckland - 2 draws) and over the course of a season, to compete you need a stronger extended group, no matter who is the coach!

Season is only 14 games long, the squad assembled were good enough to do the job, sometimes in football you don't get what you deserve. C'est la vie.

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about 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

JB and KB swap jobs?

Haha and the board of CTech replace the board of Cant Utd?

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about 12 years ago
kiwifan90 wrote:

Scoring goals has always been a problem, as keep stating 3 regulars scorers in the MPL have never made squad. Having a tight defence doesn't mean anything if cant get goals. Canterbury only on way down now as Imagine some players moving on! so if Keith quits who we think Mick Braithwaite or John Brown?

More rubbish, particularly the last 2 statements. 

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about 12 years ago
reg22 wrote:

what's the view from down there on how seriously the players take themselves?  

also, in terms of preparation, auckland and waitak train like genuine semi pros.  preparation starts pretty much as soon as the northern league ends (or even before).  while team wellington have a fair chunk of their squad with the phoenix through the a-league pre-season.

it seems that canterbury cobbled together their squad 2-3 weeks before the season began

The Dragons began training as soon as the local MPL season and Chatham Cup were over, several trial games and a 4 game pre-season curtailed by Wellington pulling out of a planned friendly in Blenheim from memory. KB spent the local season scouting players along with Martin Stewart (manager). Training 3 times a week plus gym sessions, what more should they be doing remembering the only quality opposition sits north of Cook Strait? Tough tight league this year, unbeaten in 4 games against Auckland City or Wellington, from 2nd to 5th could have finished in any order. 21 game league would suit Canterbury better.

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about 12 years ago
Ronaldoknow wrote:
Global Game wrote:

... No doubting Keith's desire and I'm sure he's going all he can. But now it's time to ask, is there anyone else who could do a better job?

Yes. Several. Regardless he is the incumbent with a year to run on his contract, no doubt an extensive review will hopefully identify the issues that undermined this seasons campaign, poor pre-season and start being an obvious one.


Do you think Cashmere's Chatham Cup run had a negative impact on poor early season Canterbury form?

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
Global Game wrote:
Ronaldoknow wrote:
Global Game wrote:

... No doubting Keith's desire and I'm sure he's going all he can. But now it's time to ask, is there anyone else who could do a better job?

Yes. Several. Regardless he is the incumbent with a year to run on his contract, no doubt an extensive review will hopefully identify the issues that undermined this seasons campaign, poor pre-season and start being an obvious one.


Do you think Cashmere's Chatham Cup run had a negative impact on poor early season Canterbury form?
Given the history of poor starts by CU I would say not, more an issue of KB not deciding on his squad until part way through the season as he looks to land bigger fish. Compounded by some players not committing until they've seen what Auckland, Wellington, Napier are offering. Which makes it tough on any coach. More an issue of being a summer league following on from a winter league, same for all franchises and causes some quality players to bypass the ASB Prem. Talk of returning to a winter league or mothballing players over the winter - some, not all.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
Having just seen the game on Sommet Sports tonight, two of the Waitak goals were unstoppable (Cardozo's freekick and Manko's screamer) and the opening goal went in directly from a corner and should have been stopped.


Kamo's goal a sensational first-time volley hit sweetly from well out on the left.


Waitak deserved the win - were well-organized in all areas, had more effective strikers etc.


To me, Canterbury's main problem this game and others is lack of defensive ability in the midfield. Opposition players had no problem cutting through the Canty midfield and this placed too much pressure on the defence. Contrast to Waitak who had good defensive cover in midfield in the form of Jake Butler etc. Good attacking midfield (Clapham, Kelly) but a poor defensive one.

The back four were basically sound most of the season - Terris / Schwarz / Collett / Boys

Capable goalie in Highfield who doesn't make too many mistakes (could have saved the goal from the corner today but was he fouled?)

Strikers: Kamo didn't score many this season (five) but cut through the Waitak team at will in this game and scored one of the goals of the season. Not convinced by Marquez - does two or three effective things every game but otherwise often doesn't add much. Doesn't look like he'll ever score many in this league (four this season: three from  open play, one free kick). Canty badly need a player or two who can score regularly at this level.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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about 12 years ago

From our outsiders perspective, there were clearly 5 very strong franchises fightining for 4 spots. Canterbury are a very strong football community both on and off the pitch. They are very well funded and supported

I think Keith has done a fantastic job over the years . My recollection is that this is the first year in many they haven't reached the playoffs. They will ruin the start of the league when they lose to WaiBop and drew with Wanderes. That was the difference in the finish

While your supporters are obviously dissapointed with this year, you have to put things in perspective

Canterbury football is very strong right across the board







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about 12 years ago
Ronaldoknow wrote:
reg22 wrote:

what's the view from down there on how seriously the players take themselves?  

also, in terms of preparation, auckland and waitak train like genuine semi pros.  preparation starts pretty much as soon as the northern league ends (or even before).  while team wellington have a fair chunk of their squad with the phoenix through the a-league pre-season.

it seems that canterbury cobbled together their squad 2-3 weeks before the season began

The Dragons began training as soon as the local MPL season and Chatham Cup were over, several trial games and a 4 game pre-season curtailed by Wellington pulling out of a planned friendly in Blenheim from memory. KB spent the local season scouting players along with Martin Stewart (manager). Training 3 times a week plus gym sessions, what more should they be doing remembering the only quality opposition sits north of Cook Strait? Tough tight league this year, unbeaten in 4 games against Auckland City or Wellington, from 2nd to 5th could have finished in any order. 21 game league would suit Canterbury better.

That's crap the only time I saw KB at halswell was when they were playing tech other than that never there. he knows his squad even now for next year players from tech and ferrymead and rest is imports or out towners

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about 12 years ago
kiwifan90 wrote:
Ronaldoknow wrote:
reg22 wrote:

what's the view from down there on how seriously the players take themselves?  

also, in terms of preparation, auckland and waitak train like genuine semi pros.  preparation starts pretty much as soon as the northern league ends (or even before).  while team wellington have a fair chunk of their squad with the phoenix through the a-league pre-season.

it seems that canterbury cobbled together their squad 2-3 weeks before the season began

The Dragons began training as soon as the local MPL season and Chatham Cup were over, several trial games and a 4 game pre-season curtailed by Wellington pulling out of a planned friendly in Blenheim from memory. KB spent the local season scouting players along with Martin Stewart (manager). Training 3 times a week plus gym sessions, what more should they be doing remembering the only quality opposition sits north of Cook Strait? Tough tight league this year, unbeaten in 4 games against Auckland City or Wellington, from 2nd to 5th could have finished in any order. 21 game league would suit Canterbury better.

That's crap the only time I saw KB at halswell was when they were playing tech other than that never there. he knows his squad even now for next year players from tech and ferrymead and rest is imports or out towners


Wrong with the last statement as I saw Keith at Halswell Domain watching your club play a team in blue. 
Maybe he was there to watch what we thought was the game of the day anyway and not the MPL game.
As for the season finish and review I thought Keith and Sean ran the team well, trainings Iooked well run the few I saw early on in the season.
Players or some of them not being fully committed maybe one of the problems as seen from outside the fence.
If you go out drinking up large on the day of trainings should you be still in the squad?
Question marks on selection as has been mentioned.

 
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about 12 years ago

Correct me if im wrong, although i believe out of all the mids clapham is the only one to score(albeit a few penalties)!! Kelly, Obrien, mitchell and morrison all struggled in front of goal which puts alot of pressure on Kamo, clapham and marquez to perform week in week out...

From what i saw obrien and Mitchell will gain experience from this season and have huge potential

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about 12 years ago
kiwifan90 wrote:
Ronaldoknow wrote:
reg22 wrote:

what's the view from down there on how seriously the players take themselves?  

also, in terms of preparation, auckland and waitak train like genuine semi pros.  preparation starts pretty much as soon as the northern league ends (or even before).  while team wellington have a fair chunk of their squad with the phoenix through the a-league pre-season.

it seems that canterbury cobbled together their squad 2-3 weeks before the season began

The Dragons began training as soon as the local MPL season and Chatham Cup were over, several trial games and a 4 game pre-season curtailed by Wellington pulling out of a planned friendly in Blenheim from memory. KB spent the local season scouting players along with Martin Stewart (manager). Training 3 times a week plus gym sessions, what more should they be doing remembering the only quality opposition sits north of Cook Strait? Tough tight league this year, unbeaten in 4 games against Auckland City or Wellington, from 2nd to 5th could have finished in any order. 21 game league would suit Canterbury better.

That's crap the only time I saw KB at halswell was when they were playing tech other than that never there. he knows his squad even now for next year players from tech and ferrymead and rest is imports or out towners

So he watched them at least 3 times? How many Halswell players were nominated by the club? How many were interested in trialling? Pfffft ..........

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about 12 years ago
Feeney wrote:

Correct me if im wrong, although i believe out of all the mids clapham is the only one to score(albeit a few penalties)!! Kelly, Obrien, mitchell and morrison all struggled in front of goal which puts alot of pressure on Kamo, clapham and marquez to perform week in week out...

From what i saw obrien and Mitchell will gain experience from this season and have huge potential

Good point Feeney, given CU were attempting to play a more possession style game the midfield should have contributed more goals from open play than the 4 Marquez scored and the open play goals from Clapham. Also agree about Mitchell, looks like an ideal replacement for the role Pitman used to have which would leave Clapham free to roam further up the field. O'Brien looked capable. Kamo struggled for lack of support playing the loan striker role far too often which must have been frustrating for him, shame Welbourn wasn't playing to act as a foil, they were developing the seeds of a goos partnership last year.

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about 12 years ago

Highlight link to CU's last game again waitak?

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
Norfolk & Chance wrote:

Highlight link to CU's last game again waitak?

I have looked everywhere on line and can't find any links.





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about 12 years ago

You may have to give Keith the benefit of the doubt here. I'm sure he knows whats going on at all of the local clubs in terms of talent available. Doesn't need to see them week in week out.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

Tony Smith also put his report card in today's Press for the Dragon's season ( I cannot find an online link.)

Quote" the reality is that Braithwaite picked the best players in town. Clubs could help the franchise by importing players and making them available to the Dragons."

So more English unknowns to play a few minutes each season then get dropped is it ?


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about 12 years ago

yeah, that sounds like nonsense to me

what ever happened to building up team cohesion by maintaining the same core of players year after year?  braithwaite himself used to play in an amazingly successful christchurch united side that was built upon consistency of personnel

this actually highlights a(another) weakness of the asb prem.  if it were a genuine national league, with 4 rounds of games, players would not be compelled to play for a winter club.  they would attach themselves to a franchise and the franchise would be responsible for imports and ideally ensure that they are of a suitable standard

360footballnews.com

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about 12 years ago
reg22 wrote:

yeah, that sounds like nonsense to me

what ever happened to building up team cohesion by maintaining the same core of players year after year?  braithwaite himself used to play in an amazingly successful christchurch united side that was built upon consistency of personnel

this actually highlights a(another) weakness of the asb prem.  if it were a genuine national league, with 4 rounds of games, players would not be compelled to play for a winter club.  they would attach themselves to a franchise and the franchise would be responsible for imports and ideally ensure that they are of a suitable standard


Which in turn may help with local players wanting to play for the Dragons and give themselves fully to the cause.
Maybe Keith not picking the ones that will give there all.
How many players have we had that left for something else.
At it is why would you when you can be paid to play for an MPL side and get more money.
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