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This appeared in the Auckland City match programme on Wednesday. Some of the facts stated explain why it was def a 'No Go'. Though no doubt there will be attempts made again next year to get in through the back door.
Hard News2008-03-11 12:05:03
"Oil and Water� The Phoenix and the O-League?"
How can the Wellington Phoenix participate in the O-League?
They are an Australian club after all aren�t they?
Certainly the club is domiciled here in New Zealand and New Zealand Football will confirm they were legally formed under their auspices.
However, all their players are registered with the Football Federation of Australia. Thus they would require an international clearance to play for a New Zealand club. If you were transferring from one NZ club to another why would you require an international clearance?
All teams who compete in the O-League require their players to be registered with the National Association they represent. Clearly this is not the case with the Phoenix.
Hypothetically if the Phoenix attended the Club World Cup in Japan this December it is possible that three of the seven teams at the competition will have players registered with the National Association of an Asian Confederation member. That being the hosts from Japan, the Asian Champions League winner and the Phoenix from Australia. A farcical situation no doubt.
Surely all entrants in any sporting competition must play by the same set of rules?
As the Phoenix compete in the A-League, their Australian players (and there are plenty of them) are not considered overseas players according to A-League regulations. NZFC sides however, are only permitted to field three overseas players, (plus a marquee player) according to New Zealand Football rules.
This gross imbalance would somehow need to be addressed if the Phoenix were to join the O-League, simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field".
All O-League participants were required to name their 30-man playing squad prior to this years competition by 1 October 2007. No changes to these squads are permitted for the duration of the competition.
The Phoenix were not included as part of this seasons O-League when the competition commenced. How can they join in now? If they were allowed to, then presumably all other O-League sides would want to strengthen and replace players from their current squads.
Just think of the regulation changes required in regards to these issues that would need to be implemented by NZ Football and Oceania. Not to mention the conflict that this would create.
Considering the above points it is difficult to see how the Phoenix could participate in the OLeague when they don�t even play in Oceania?
On the international stage Israeli club sides play in European competitions as FIFA classifies them as part of UEFA. Despite being geographically part of the Asian continent their clubs cannot choose to play in the Asian Champions League.
If you play in the A-League you are ultimately an Asian club no matter where you are based geographically.
The Phoenix�s desire to participate in the Club World Cup needs to be satisfied by convincing the Football Federation of Australia that should they earn the right on the A-League playing field then they should be allowed to take part in the Asian Champions League.
The Phoenix have been good for the profile of football in NZ and are a stepping stone to bigger and better things for some of our elite players however their pathway to the Club World Cup should be through the A-League not the O-League.
The O-League is just starting to gain some traction and was established for the development and enhancement of Oceania�s clubs. Sure these clubs will need some help to lift their playing standards to satisfy Mr Blatter but "where there is a will there is a way." Oceania can surely rise to meet this challenge. Without this challenge we have no chance of lifting our playing standards to compete with the bigger confederations of world football.
Further, to allow the Phoenix to participate in the O-League would destroy the motivation for all clubs in Oceania � this at a time when some of the leading clubs in the region are just beginning to "raise the bar" on standards and capitalise on the incentive of participation at the Club World Cup.
The Phoenix would surely kill the O-League.
Why would Island nations, for example, contemplate entering and spending significant amounts of scarce funds if they were up against an A-League team? The O-League format will no doubt continue with or without the Club World Cup. Add the Phoenix and it will die.
Please leave the O-League for the clubs of Oceania, after all isn�t the O-League meant to be a competition for the champion clubs of our confederation i.e. A Champions League � how do the Phoenix meet this criteria?
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was that written by happyted?
Founder
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There are some good points made in that piece though. Has to be said.
Three for me, and two for them.
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No Feverish it was'nt written by me dont be so surprised that i'm not the only one who does'nt
agree with the whole Phoenix concept
I have been trying to tell you but you are so self centered you think the whole of NZ football should be accepting of a team that does nothing for the game that you claim to be good for
happyted2008-02-24 07:41:56
agree with the whole Phoenix concept
I have been trying to tell you but you are so self centered you think the whole of NZ football should be accepting of a team that does nothing for the game that you claim to be good for
happyted2008-02-24 07:41:56
Do you know what nemesis means
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I have been trying to tell you but you are so self centered you think the whole of NZ football should be accepting of a team that does nothing for the game that you claim to be good for
I beg your pardon ?
What absolute bullsh*t.
I personally don't think the Phoenix should play in the O-League but an assertion they do nothing for the game here ?
Ridiculous, quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever not deleted on here.
Hard News2008-02-23 20:04:01
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..and also:
Nowhere in that does that writer claim that the Phoenix does nothing for the game in New Zealand. In fact just the oppsite.
Just because someone is anti the O-League concept doesn't make them anti the Phoenix concept as you seem to be so certain of, and the minority who can find a way to claim they do nothing for the game may well be as small as you and one or two others who stand behind the goal at McLeod Road.
Hard News2008-02-23 20:02:52
The Phoenix have been good for the profile of football in NZ and are a stepping stone to bigger and better things for some of our elite players however their pathway to the Club World Cup should be through the A-League not the O-League.
Nowhere in that does that writer claim that the Phoenix does nothing for the game in New Zealand. In fact just the oppsite.
Just because someone is anti the O-League concept doesn't make them anti the Phoenix concept as you seem to be so certain of, and the minority who can find a way to claim they do nothing for the game may well be as small as you and one or two others who stand behind the goal at McLeod Road.
Hard News2008-02-23 20:02:52
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Delete it if you want?
happyted2008-02-24 07:42:16
happyted2008-02-24 07:42:16
Do you know what nemesis means
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And what has were i stand to watch a game got to do with anything?
happyted2008-02-24 07:42:33
Do you know what nemesis means
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I think you may have missed the point... where you stand isn't the point, the fact that you are in a minority that small is the point.
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how do you know i'm in a minority?
are you so sure that your opinion is the general consensus
happyted2008-02-24 07:43:00
are you so sure that your opinion is the general consensus
happyted2008-02-24 07:43:00
Do you know what nemesis means
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Yeah, pretty much.
I'd venture that I know as many people in the game in this country, across the country than anyone. I can't say I've met one person other than you so bitterly and totally sure that the Phoenix don't do anything good for the game of football in this country, so yes.
4,500 members on here, that's more than any other sports forum in this country by a mile. I reckon that makes a pretty good snapshot as well.
I'd venture that I know as many people in the game in this country, across the country than anyone. I can't say I've met one person other than you so bitterly and totally sure that the Phoenix don't do anything good for the game of football in this country, so yes.
4,500 members on here, that's more than any other sports forum in this country by a mile. I reckon that makes a pretty good snapshot as well.
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we'll see were the game and Phoenix/A-League team are in 5 years
i know were my money is
happyted2008-02-24 07:43:15
i know were my money is
happyted2008-02-24 07:43:15
Do you know what nemesis means
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Isnt that what u you lot have been saying about an NZ team in Aussie league
but year after year the wooden spoon ends up in NZ
happyted2008-02-24 07:43:42
but year after year the wooden spoon ends up in NZ
happyted2008-02-24 07:43:42
Do you know what nemesis means
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Is Happy Ted even a Kiwi.
If you want to know what the Phoenix have done for the game I suggest you talk to the local clubs and ask them how many more kids they have registered for the up comming season.
A dog with a bone :)
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I could'nt do a worse job than the present incumbent!!!
happyted2008-02-23 22:05:20
Do you know what nemesis means
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Is Happy Ted even a Kiwi.
If you want to know what the Phoenix have done for the game I suggest you talk to the local clubs and ask them how many more kids they have registered for the up comming season.
No i'm not a kiwi? what has that got to do with it?
how many kids have registered for this season compared to last season?
do you have any stats to justify your comments
Do you know what nemesis means
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haha happyted u are hanging onto arguements and points on a string so thin that it couldnt hold a needle without breaking. lets see, we have a corporate giant as a sponsor, aswell, as Terry S. a decent management and a team that only got the wooden spoon because of lack of defense, something thats being addressed in the off-season now we have the time we didn't to sign players.
5 years time? my money is on high placed a-league team
also another statement that stuck out in that article to me was simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field"
(i'm gonna get flame from ted for this)
isn't the point of the phoenix getting in the o-league to try save our CWC place. the fact that its gonna be gone without the phoenix in 2 years is a fact ted happily ignores.
a level playing field is playing all teams BASED in new zealand and oceania and finding the best team. which should be the pro. one, thus a pro team goes to the CWC, and we get the money we all want so much.
muso2008-02-23 22:10:10
5 years time? my money is on high placed a-league team
also another statement that stuck out in that article to me was simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field"
(i'm gonna get flame from ted for this)
isn't the point of the phoenix getting in the o-league to try save our CWC place. the fact that its gonna be gone without the phoenix in 2 years is a fact ted happily ignores.
a level playing field is playing all teams BASED in new zealand and oceania and finding the best team. which should be the pro. one, thus a pro team goes to the CWC, and we get the money we all want so much.
muso2008-02-23 22:10:10
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I could'nt do a worse job than the present incumbent!!!
Let's see, abandon the NZFC return to clubs, perhaps split the federations in to about 25 associations... before you know it it will be 1994 again with no national league, no coaching direction and no profile.
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Hey come on children!
I only posted the article so that you could actually understand the argument. Of course the Kingz/Knights/Phoenix have been good for the game in some ways, and not so good in others, that's not the point of the debate!
The article was about how they could possibly play in the 'O' League.......................absurd!
Anyway, good result today and hats off to the 248 boys for braving a horrible day up here and entertaining us with their usual 20 or so different and original chants and songs.
Bravo!!
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You're welcome billy. Next time we should of figured out a club which has six of the same letters in them so we can carry on that glorious chant '1 Team in Auckland'. 
Three for me, and two for them.
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Ha Ha, enjoyed those ones!
All class guys!
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Is Happy Ted even a Kiwi.
If you want to know what the Phoenix have done for the game I suggest you talk to the local clubs and ask them how many more kids they have registered for the up comming season.
No i'm not a kiwi? what has that got to do with it?
how many kids have registered for this season compared to last season?
do you have any stats to justify your comments
Well to me as a kiwi a hell of a lot, being sick of all the damage your kind has done to football in my country hanging on to your old school old country beliefs pretending to even know whats best for the game in my country. Sit back take a look at what ever nation your from fix your own problems dont make other ones for us.
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You're welcome billy. Next time we should of figured out a club which has six of the same letters in them so we can carry on that glorious chant '1 Team in Auckland'.
Let me guess, he's still buying tickets soon
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Tomorrow...
Three for me, and two for them.
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I heard some of these arguments for the Auckland City and Waitakere United CEOs. (why is it always those two CEOs-are they that worried about losing to Wellington Phoenix and losing a bit of money? What are the other CEOs saying?)
And they do not know all the FFA administration matters and mainly It�s all propaganda/administration politics.
OK, I am going to rip into this and expose their ignorance. . . .
FFA Statutes Article 44:Approval
clearly states;
FIFA only requires that the club participating in the CWC needs only to fulfill its� members association regulation. Those rules about the foreign players may not be pertaining to the other competitions in the OFC outside than the NZFC, that needs to be looked at as well. However an altered change to even this up can be met for the O-league playoff group and make it an even playing field.
However I have to say that this is irelevent because some clubs in the CWC from the different associations has unlimited foreign player policies. So I think that the same should be applied in the O-league system and get the players as far as the money can go. If NZFC is going to complain, then they should be complaining about the player restriction policies are all uneven.
AllWhitebelievr2008-02-24 03:38:13
And they do not know all the FFA administration matters and mainly It�s all propaganda/administration politics.
OK, I am going to rip into this and expose their ignorance. . . .
FFA Statutes Article 44:Approval
clearly states;
�competitions and clubs that are affiliated to FFA cannot belong to another National association or participate in competitions on the territory of another National Associations without the authorisation of FFA, the other National Association and of FIFA.�[/quote]
This comes under in Article 44:Approval.
It must be noted that NZF is the A-League licencee and Wellington Phoenix are the sub-licencee of NZF�s A-League Licence. NZF is not an FFA Member with any voting rights within FFA.
Wellington Phoenix have the rights to be called an Oceania club since half of their A-League matches they played are in the Oceania Confederation. Therefore they could participate in the O-League.
As for the
[quote]�As the Phoenix compete in the A-League, their Australian players (and there are plenty of them) are not considered overseas players according to A-League regulations. NZFC sides however, are only permitted to field three overseas players, (plus a marquee player) according to New Zealand Football rules. This gross imbalance would somehow need to be addressed if the Phoenix were to join the O-League, simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field".�
This comes under in Article 44:Approval.
It must be noted that NZF is the A-League licencee and Wellington Phoenix are the sub-licencee of NZF�s A-League Licence. NZF is not an FFA Member with any voting rights within FFA.
Wellington Phoenix have the rights to be called an Oceania club since half of their A-League matches they played are in the Oceania Confederation. Therefore they could participate in the O-League.
As for the
Israeli Club sides FIFA classifies them as UEFA[/quote] because the Israel football association plays in the Euro championship and their clubs in Club European competitions like UEFA Cup or UEFA Champion League. They are fully European football.
In compare to NZ, NZ nation stills plays in Oceania and OFC has registered NZ as one of the OFC members. AFC does not register Israel as a member but UEFA does. The Israel�s position example is similar to Australia�s position as both association team and their clubs have full participation in AFC as Israel has in UEFA. This example does not apply to Wellington Phoenix but to Melbourne Victory and other Australian A-League clubs.
It is possible for all the Phoenix players to be registered to the FFA and WP players can only register with one association at any one time. This would seem that they need to obtain ITC to play for a NZ club. Or so it would appear. . . .
Wellington Phoenix is a club registered with NZF (an association member of OFC), but is designed to play in an international league namely A-League that is run by the FFA (an association member of AFC). Although A-League is appears to be an Asian football league. It is in reality not an Asian football league although the FFA statutes includes complying to AFC regulation. The League is an international league solely by having Wellington Phoenix as one of the A-League team.
AFC had also refused NZ Knights and it�s successor Wellington Phoenix access into the ACL or in any asian competition and even declared all NZ players in any A-League as foreign import players because AFC recognises that NZK and now WP as an OFC club playing in an AFC sanction competition.
WP are there by FFA permission to NZF. It is an invitation as well as an international clearance to the A-League because the A-League is not literally Asian league but an international league organised by FFA.
As an international league, international clearance for clubs (not players) are allowed. Since WP are not invited directly by FFA, their players do not needed to be register with the FFA. (afterall half the matches that WP plays are not AFC but in OFC).
What actually happens was that the FFA extended their licence invitation to the A-League towards the NZF after NZK�s licence was revoked. NZF is the licencee and they invited any NZ groups to bid for the licence that in turn must be of a standard that is approved by the FFA, the licencer. WP wins the sub licence to the A-League and hence is under A-League competition rules, but they are not part of the FFA constitution for voting rights and nor are the NZF under the FFA constitution. WP are only under the A-League competition rules and not under any other regulations by the FFA. The only international clearance of changing associations are the ones for those other foreign players (non-australians) playing for the WP, although A-League competition rules allow NZ players to be considered as non foreign players to the Asian confederation being in the NZ club and Australians are non foreign players to Oceania confederation in the A-League since they also have played half their matches in the Asian confederation. (This differs with the ACL, where NZ players are considered foreign players and are totally in AFC confederation)
WP are under the NZF of which NZF is a member nation of the OFC. In turn, this means that WP is actually under the OFC. Wellington Phoenix can actually be registered with the NZF as their association, with the FFA, NZF and FIFA approval to play in the international league called A-League, of which they have full approval by all parties concerned.
LOL
[quote]�All O-League participants were required to name their 30-man playing squad prior to this years competition by 1 October 2007. No changes to these squads are permitted for the duration of the competition.�
But an expectation to the rule can be produced by the OFC. This does not need to be approve by the FIFA. All FIFA needs to know is the O-league winner for the CWC.
In compare to NZ, NZ nation stills plays in Oceania and OFC has registered NZ as one of the OFC members. AFC does not register Israel as a member but UEFA does. The Israel�s position example is similar to Australia�s position as both association team and their clubs have full participation in AFC as Israel has in UEFA. This example does not apply to Wellington Phoenix but to Melbourne Victory and other Australian A-League clubs.
It is possible for all the Phoenix players to be registered to the FFA and WP players can only register with one association at any one time. This would seem that they need to obtain ITC to play for a NZ club. Or so it would appear. . . .
Wellington Phoenix is a club registered with NZF (an association member of OFC), but is designed to play in an international league namely A-League that is run by the FFA (an association member of AFC). Although A-League is appears to be an Asian football league. It is in reality not an Asian football league although the FFA statutes includes complying to AFC regulation. The League is an international league solely by having Wellington Phoenix as one of the A-League team.
AFC had also refused NZ Knights and it�s successor Wellington Phoenix access into the ACL or in any asian competition and even declared all NZ players in any A-League as foreign import players because AFC recognises that NZK and now WP as an OFC club playing in an AFC sanction competition.
WP are there by FFA permission to NZF. It is an invitation as well as an international clearance to the A-League because the A-League is not literally Asian league but an international league organised by FFA.
As an international league, international clearance for clubs (not players) are allowed. Since WP are not invited directly by FFA, their players do not needed to be register with the FFA. (afterall half the matches that WP plays are not AFC but in OFC).
What actually happens was that the FFA extended their licence invitation to the A-League towards the NZF after NZK�s licence was revoked. NZF is the licencee and they invited any NZ groups to bid for the licence that in turn must be of a standard that is approved by the FFA, the licencer. WP wins the sub licence to the A-League and hence is under A-League competition rules, but they are not part of the FFA constitution for voting rights and nor are the NZF under the FFA constitution. WP are only under the A-League competition rules and not under any other regulations by the FFA. The only international clearance of changing associations are the ones for those other foreign players (non-australians) playing for the WP, although A-League competition rules allow NZ players to be considered as non foreign players to the Asian confederation being in the NZ club and Australians are non foreign players to Oceania confederation in the A-League since they also have played half their matches in the Asian confederation. (This differs with the ACL, where NZ players are considered foreign players and are totally in AFC confederation)
WP are under the NZF of which NZF is a member nation of the OFC. In turn, this means that WP is actually under the OFC. Wellington Phoenix can actually be registered with the NZF as their association, with the FFA, NZF and FIFA approval to play in the international league called A-League, of which they have full approval by all parties concerned.
LOL
�The Phoenix would surely kill the O-League.� [/quote] That has to be the most laughable comment to date. The other laughable comment was
[quote]�Please leave the O-League for the clubs of Oceania, after all isn�t the O-League meant to be a competition for the champion clubs of our confederation i.e. A Champions League � how do the Phoenix meet this criteria?�
The Phoenix don�t have to met this criteria per ce. They only have to beat the O-league winner in a playoff to be O-League competition winner for the CWC. The playoffs can be part of the O-league competition. This has to met with FIFA approval this year. But OFC can change this for the following season, easily. If it is required, then WP may have to play home and away with both Group winners to justify O-league Champions. FIFA does not to have find an OFC rep for the CWC as long they are the O-league competition winner by a change of competition format. Winning a playoff with O-league group winners can satisfy FIFA that OFC is looking for the best Oceania club to represent them in the CWC. What I am saying is that the Phoenix does not have to be in the O-league groups (which are going on right now but can be involved with a playoff group including the group winners.
�the Phoenix from Australia�[/quote]
[quote]�Why would Island nations, for example, contemplate entering and spending significant amounts of scarce funds if they were up against an A-League team?�
LOL this could easily be �Why would Islands, for example, contemplate entering and spending significant amounts of scarce funds if they were up against an �NZFC� team? . . . errr da maybe its because they can. . . .!?
[quote]�Why would Island nations, for example, contemplate entering and spending significant amounts of scarce funds if they were up against an A-League team?�
[quote]�Please leave the O-League for the clubs of Oceania, after all isn�t the O-League meant to be a competition for the champion clubs of our confederation i.e. A Champions League � how do the Phoenix meet this criteria?�
[quote]�All O-League participants were required to name their 30-man playing squad prior to this years competition by 1 October 2007. No changes to these squads are permitted for the duration of the competition.�
[quote]�As the Phoenix compete in the A-League, their Australian players (and there are plenty of them) are not considered overseas players according to A-League regulations. NZFC sides however, are only permitted to field three overseas players, (plus a marquee player) according to New Zealand Football rules. This gross imbalance would somehow need to be addressed if the Phoenix were to join the O-League, simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field".�
FIFA only requires that the club participating in the CWC needs only to fulfill its� members association regulation. Those rules about the foreign players may not be pertaining to the other competitions in the OFC outside than the NZFC, that needs to be looked at as well. However an altered change to even this up can be met for the O-league playoff group and make it an even playing field.
However I have to say that this is irelevent because some clubs in the CWC from the different associations has unlimited foreign player policies. So I think that the same should be applied in the O-league system and get the players as far as the money can go. If NZFC is going to complain, then they should be complaining about the player restriction policies are all uneven.
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I could'nt do a worse job than the present incumbent!!!
Let's see, abandon the NZFC return to clubs, perhaps split the federations in to about 25 associations... before you know it it will be 1994 again with no national league, no coaching direction and no profile.
And no Phoenix!!!
happyted2008-02-24 07:41:21
Do you know what nemesis means
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haha happyted u are hanging onto arguements and points on a string so thin that it couldnt hold a needle without breaking. lets see, we have a corporate giant as a sponsor, aswell, as Terry S. a decent management and a team that only got the wooden spoon because of lack of defense, something thats being addressed in the off-season now we have the time we didn't to sign players.
5 years time? my money is on high placed a-league team
also another statement that stuck out in that article to me was simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field"
(i'm gonna get flame from ted for this)
isn't the point of the phoenix getting in the o-league to try save our CWC place. the fact that its gonna be gone without the phoenix in 2 years is a fact ted happily ignores.
a level playing field is playing all teams BASED in new zealand and oceania and finding the best team. which should be the pro. one, thus a pro team goes to the CWC, and we get the money we all want so much.
5 years time? my money is on high placed a-league team
also another statement that stuck out in that article to me was simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field"
(i'm gonna get flame from ted for this)
isn't the point of the phoenix getting in the o-league to try save our CWC place. the fact that its gonna be gone without the phoenix in 2 years is a fact ted happily ignores.
a level playing field is playing all teams BASED in new zealand and oceania and finding the best team. which should be the pro. one, thus a pro team goes to the CWC, and we get the money we all want so much.
Once again more excuses about why you finished last and predictions of future greatness
and you seem to be clinging to this Blatter only pro teams in club world cup quote? like its gospel
this coming from a man that gave Oceania direct entry in the World Cup then took it away the next day
happyted2008-02-24 07:47:54
Do you know what nemesis means
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Is Happy Ted even a Kiwi.
If you want to know what the Phoenix have done for the game I suggest you talk to the local clubs and ask them how many more kids they have registered for the up comming season.
No i'm not a kiwi? what has that got to do with it?
how many kids have registered for this season compared to last season?
do you have any stats to justify your comments
Well to me as a kiwi a hell of a lot, being sick of all the damage your kind has done to football in my country hanging on to your old school old country beliefs pretending to even know whats best for the game in my country. Sit back take a look at what ever nation your from fix your own problems dont make other ones for us.
What f**ks 'your kind' meant to mean?
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Looks like OFC got it wrong then?
Dont think so 
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This is brilliant.
I do not agree with happy Ted - your negativity is just a tad too much.
having said that some of the "pro Phoenix" comments are also a bit over the top also
In 5 years, the Phoenix will be a permanent fixture, and performing well - hopefully having made a couple of playoffs and maybe even won the whole thing.
I don't think we (the phoenix) should be in the O league - but then again, in two years there will be no O league - unless the Phoenix are in it - Joseph Heller, where are you?
But the best thing about this forum is PASSION - we all love the game and are passionate enough to put our views in here.
BTW - I'm also on the Hurricanes forum - trying to get debate going there is pointless
I do not agree with happy Ted - your negativity is just a tad too much.
having said that some of the "pro Phoenix" comments are also a bit over the top also
In 5 years, the Phoenix will be a permanent fixture, and performing well - hopefully having made a couple of playoffs and maybe even won the whole thing.
I don't think we (the phoenix) should be in the O league - but then again, in two years there will be no O league - unless the Phoenix are in it - Joseph Heller, where are you?
But the best thing about this forum is PASSION - we all love the game and are passionate enough to put our views in here.
BTW - I'm also on the Hurricanes forum - trying to get debate going there is pointless
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I heard some of these arguments for the Auckland City and Waitakere United CEOs. (why is it always those two CEOs-are they that worried about losing to Wellington Phoenix and losing a bit of money? What are the other CEOs saying?)
[/QUOTE]
Actually, Mark Chote (friend of the Fever) offered some views against Phoenix O-League participation a month or so ago in a Team Wellington programme.
[QUOTE=BillyAuckland]
Actually, Mark Chote (friend of the Fever) offered some views against Phoenix O-League participation a month or so ago in a Team Wellington programme.
[QUOTE=BillyAuckland]
Looks like OFC got it wrong then?
Dont think so 
It wouldn't be the first time if they had...
Hard News2008-02-24 11:56:35
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OFC seem to be getting a bit more right than FNZ these days!
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haha happyted u are hanging onto arguements and points on a string so thin that it couldnt hold a needle without breaking. lets see, we have a corporate giant as a sponsor, aswell, as Terry S. a decent management and a team that only got the wooden spoon because of lack of defense, something thats being addressed in the off-season now we have the time we didn't to sign players.
5 years time? my money is on high placed a-league team
also another statement that stuck out in that article to me was simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field"
(i'm gonna get flame from ted for this)
isn't the point of the phoenix getting in the o-league to try save our CWC place. the fact that its gonna be gone without the phoenix in 2 years is a fact ted happily ignores.
a level playing field is playing all teams BASED in new zealand and oceania and finding the best team. which should be the pro. one, thus a pro team goes to the CWC, and we get the money we all want so much.
5 years time? my money is on high placed a-league team
also another statement that stuck out in that article to me was simply to ensure there was some semblance of a "level playing field"
(i'm gonna get flame from ted for this)
isn't the point of the phoenix getting in the o-league to try save our CWC place. the fact that its gonna be gone without the phoenix in 2 years is a fact ted happily ignores.
a level playing field is playing all teams BASED in new zealand and oceania and finding the best team. which should be the pro. one, thus a pro team goes to the CWC, and we get the money we all want so much.
Once again more excuses about why you finished last and predictions of future greatness
and you seem to be clinging to this Blatter only pro teams in club world cup quote? like its gospel
this coming from a man that gave Oceania direct entry in the World Cup then took it away the next day
the reason i "blatter" on about the "pro" club quote is simple, and yet again u dodge. oceania has entry to the club world cup. the amateur sides, though winning the o-league, are embarrased everytime they got to the CWC, its like playing Auckland against arsenal(not to be taken literally)
the equation for saving our CWC spot, and the big sum of money it brings, is play a pro team, who might actually stand a chance of bringing some pride back to oceania in the worlds eyes, or get out
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how is losing 3-0 or 3-1 embarrassing?
no more embarrassing than finishing bottom of the League
happyted2008-02-24 22:13:11
no more embarrassing than finishing bottom of the League
happyted2008-02-24 22:13:11
Do you know what nemesis means
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Ahhh, 'next year' now where have I heard that before? 1999 onwards maybe?
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how is losing 3-0 or 3-1 embarrassing?
no more embarrassing than finishing bottom of the League
no more embarrassing than finishing bottom of the League
o please, the goals they let in were terrible, keeper letting it slip through his fingers, defender handballing and not even good enough to stop them scoring before the penatly kick was arranged, there 1 goal was a sham too, they never looked even close to being in any of there games
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with all due respect to the NZFC vs Phoenix in the O-league you can't hide the fact that mistakes occur in football at all levels at all times. World Class players make absolute howlers. Even Tony Vidmar made a howler last night.
Are we all seriously thinking that the Phoenix, who are a pretty average professional side in the professional side of the game would compete with the best clubs sides in the world. The Phoenix are only slightly better than an NZFC side and would struggle in the CWC company as well.
When the Phoenix get outside the bottom 1 of the A-League and can defend with any sort of idea then maybe they should compete. Can you imagine Sepp words if the Phoenix didnt do any better than either Auckland City or Waitakere United.
goals they let in - Phoenix goals during the season have been calamatious at times - keeper letting the ball through his hands, goals being scored after dumb passes, defenders all being attracted to the same ball, no one picking up in defensive set pieces, the list goes on and on - there is a reason the phoenix conceeded so many goals and most of them were pretty terrible and simple.
The Phoenix are better than an NZFC team but they are the worst A-League team and A-League teams dont make the finals of the Asian champions League.
No reason in the world so far for the Phoenix to be anything but cannon fodder in the CWC and give Sepp even more ammunition to throw Oceania out if you believe him.
Sepp won't throw Oceania out as he needs the 11 votes of Oceania to retain his job.
Are we all seriously thinking that the Phoenix, who are a pretty average professional side in the professional side of the game would compete with the best clubs sides in the world. The Phoenix are only slightly better than an NZFC side and would struggle in the CWC company as well.
When the Phoenix get outside the bottom 1 of the A-League and can defend with any sort of idea then maybe they should compete. Can you imagine Sepp words if the Phoenix didnt do any better than either Auckland City or Waitakere United.
goals they let in - Phoenix goals during the season have been calamatious at times - keeper letting the ball through his hands, goals being scored after dumb passes, defenders all being attracted to the same ball, no one picking up in defensive set pieces, the list goes on and on - there is a reason the phoenix conceeded so many goals and most of them were pretty terrible and simple.
The Phoenix are better than an NZFC team but they are the worst A-League team and A-League teams dont make the finals of the Asian champions League.
No reason in the world so far for the Phoenix to be anything but cannon fodder in the CWC and give Sepp even more ammunition to throw Oceania out if you believe him.
Sepp won't throw Oceania out as he needs the 11 votes of Oceania to retain his job.
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