Lets look at Fergie's record in Europe at United
I don't know if you've read the Champions League thread but I'll quote my own post from their just in case you missed it...
[QUOTE=20 legend] So refreshing to have a without too much controversy. Iniesta showed signs of bringing back the good old "lets just fall over" Barcelona but no one else was keen.
Congratulations Barcelona, and although I dislike most of them they all seem like good blokes.
United season still a very, very good one. Written off at the start of the year (like usual) but still doing this. I think its fair to say we're the 2nd best team in the world right now.
The worst thing? Having to listen to an entire season of pundits pumping the Barcelona bubble.
[QUOTE=Tony P on Twitter]Barca too good. How would they fare over a season with teams like Man Utd, Milan, Inter, Chelsea. Dortmund, Bayern?
And tbh, the only reason I haven't said, "United were played off the park" is because it was pretty bloody obvious.
And yes, they were targeting Valencia, it was blindingly obvious. If I was playing football would I purposely target a player? Yes. Have I? Yes. But it is a trait of Barcelona and Spain that is painstakingly obvious and was brought to light because Madrid kicked up such a stink.
Without wishing to enter into this whole debate, I just want to address this quickly - what exactly do you mean by 'targeting Valencia'? This really was a classic example of a frustrated player lashing out - he touched the ball 3 times in the first five minutes, then chased shadows for the rest of the game. He should have been carded in the first 25 minutes for persistent infringing, think he ended up committing half the United fouls in what for the most part was a tough but fair game.
As for the 'trait', it's a load of bollocks - the only reason we got a soap-opera in the semi-final is because Real came out tohack, and Barcelona responded with theatrics. Simple as that.
Without wishing to enter into this whole debate, I just want to address this quickly - what exactly do you mean by 'targeting Valencia'? This really was a classic example of a frustrated player lashing out - he touched the ball 3 times in the first five minutes, then chased shadows for the rest of the game. He should have been carded in the first 25 minutes for persistent infringing, think he ended up committing half the United fouls in what for the most part was a tough but fair game.
As for the 'trait', it's a load of bollocks - the only reason we got a soap-opera in the semi-final is because Real came out tohack, and Barcelona responded with theatrics. Simple as that.
And seeing as you don't want to get into a huge debate and that I am not going to make video evidence the "trait" thing can be agree to disagree.20 legend2011-06-01 22:44:53
Like I said, yellow card is fully appropriate for a player who comits 3-4 fouls in the space of 10 minutes - it's called persistent infringing and is covered in the LotG.
I only remember one instance when Iniesta went down easily, and even then there was a case to be made for a foul as there was some evidence of a (very light) pullback. The point being, with a stricter referee, Valencia would have been carded much earlier than he was, and maybe he wouldn't have looked like such a numpty after that.
Agree completely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSmpRbun1ss Jump to 1:00.20 legend2011-06-15 18:46:47
He is just trying to wind you up. He knows nothinging about football. Just a Walter Mitty.
He is just trying to wind you up. He knows nothinging about football. Just a Walter Mitty.
Sorry to disappoint.
So he retires with 2 European Cups in 26 years. It will always be a blot on his record.
Classy
Where's your roundup of the YF Trophy Manager leagues Tegal? I'm waiting...
Haha tomorrow night. Doing an assignment tonight, which is why I'm on here (and Facebook)
So he retires with 2 European Cups in 26 years. It will always be a blot on his record.
I don't think there are many managers in Europe have ever been consistent at winning European cups. It's not really a good thing to measure absolute success by.
Possibly Buffy but still two more than Wenger.
I think this thread is a summation of English football as a whole. The two longest serving managers in the EPL have won a total of 2 championships in Europe? And yet at various times the teams have dominated English football. For me it says more about the lack of "real" quality and diversity in the English game - which if you look at international level is fairly obvious.
Paisley 3- 2 Ferguson. Boss, that.
re-name this the sour grapes thread?
His record? Something the rest of us can only dream about if we're being honest.
13 English league titles. The same as Arsenal over their entire history.
Paisley 3- 2 Ferguson. Boss, that.
Ferguson has won the top English division more times than Paisley, Shankly and Dalglish combined. Easy to be selective with statistics.
i'd rather not look at him
Paisley 3- 2 Ferguson. Boss, that.
Ferguson has won the top English division more times than Paisley, Shankly and Dalglish combined. Easy to be selective with statistics.
I think you're forgetting something.
fagan?
fagan?
No, only in relation to Shankly,Paisley and Dalglish.Specifically Dalglish.
im lost then - his statistic is correct?
No, it isn't.Those three managers have won 13 top English division titles as well.12 for Liverpool and one for Blackburn.
Ferguson is a pretty good manager for sure.I wonder if it bugs him that he didn't win more european titles?
Pop quiz, Who was Manager of Aston Villa when they won the EC?
Tony Barton.
No, it isn't.Those three managers have won 13 top English division titles as well.12 for Liverpool and one for Blackburn.