Liverpool Thread - Premier League Champions* 2019/20 (Part 2)

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That seems very steep to me, especially considering I'm not sure I would understand most of what he says.

You know we belong together...

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Oska wrote:

That seems very steep to me, especially considering I'm not sure I would understand most of what he says.

Limited to $600 and he's not really going to trip down here unless it's worth his while - this appears to be during an international break, hence the timing.

As a Liverpool fan, seems cheap to me but for neutrals, I can see how that would seem like a lot unless you are a real student of the game. 

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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Oska wrote:

That seems very steep to me, especially considering I'm not sure I would understand most of what he says.

You would not be the only one. One has to really concentrate when listening to him.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Yeah for $30 I'd probably go and find it interesting, but that's probably a bit much for me to go and listen to stories about Liverpool. Best to leave another seat free for someone who'd appreciate it more.

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Plus it's a Tuesday night on the booze. What's not to like?

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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I could probably (begrudgingly) justify this... hmmmm. Pretty cool for you lot.

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I'm surprised not to see any sack Rodgers discussion on here........so I will start it. Sack Rodgers
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I hate the sack Rodgers stuff, as a fan, I want to support the club, I believe in the project...or I did...and now I'm in your camp. After the start we have had, we're lucky we are not on 1 point and we are getting worse week by week. I want him gone.

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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I hear you leighbo and will keep supporting just feels directionless huh. That game was painful to watch.
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Any thoughts on some of the insights coming from Gerrard's autobiography? 

'In my last season, Brendan Rodgers came to me at Melwood one day in mid-August. We had a chat on the training pitch. He said, ‘You know we’ve missed out on a couple of signings. I’m basically left with no option but to have a bit of a gamble.’

Brendan paused before he spoke again: ‘The gamble is Mario Balotelli.’ My instant reaction was, ‘Uh-oh.’

'In 2004, Ferguson had called me 'the most influential player in England, bar none' and suggested that 'anyone would love to have Gerrard in their team'. So I was a little hurt and surprised when 13 years later, Ferguson used his autobiography to insist he was one of the few he never thought I was 'a top, top player'. I wouldn't lose any sleep but I was slightly taken aback after all his praise. The only point that mattered was that I have real respect for Ferguson, but I wondered how many league titles he thought Scholes or Keane might have won if they had played for a side like Liverpool. I would have done OK in a United team playing alongside Keane in midfield with David Beckham on the right, Ryan Giggs on the left and Ruud van Nistelrooy up front. I would have managed pretty well in that side.'

'When I saw Rafa taking Fernando off I felt my heart sink, this was my year. I had come so close the previous season and here I was at what was supposed to be my crowning season, the one where all my dreams came to be staring at the gaffer and shaking my head, I felt a pain like no other person could possibly feel. I thought so till that fateful day in Anfield against Chelsea. As Macheda curled that ball into the corner of the net I cried, I cried for myself because I knew that it was over, all that I had worked so hard for all season was over. I never forgave Villa for handing United the trophy that season, they will always be dirt to me, utter filth. I cried all night long. As I think about this, I feel like crying again.'

'Best Midfielder I played against? Keane No 1. The rest? They’re all different. Frank’s the best goalscoring midfielder, Scholes the best footballer, Vieira the most difficult opponent... I loved playing against all of them. They showed me how a true great midfielder should play.'

'On Rafa: I used to think he favoured our Spanish-speakers. He was an especially big fan of South American players, which is fine. It caused no problem between us. At press conferences he might call other players by their first name but I was always 'Gerrard'. It was the same in the dressing room. He would read out the team and use nicknames. But, for me, it would just be 'Gerrard'. I thought long and hard, why? Why me?'

'During those distressing days when I felt so torn about whether or not I should stay or go I never once thought to myself, 'I want to play for Chelsea instead of Liverpool'. My head was almost turned because I was thinking, 'I'd love to play for Jose Mourinho'. I was certain that, under Jose, I would win all the trophies I craved. Between July 2005 and May 2015 Chelsea won the Champions League, two Premier League titles, four FA Cups, the Europa League and two League Cups. That's 10 big trophies. In that same period at Liverpool, I have won an FA Cup and a League Cup. A league cup. Chelsea 10, Liverpool 2. I knew I made the wrong choice.'

'The following morning, just before the squad left for training, Pearce pulled me into a toilet at The Grove. He said, ‘I just wanted to tell you face to face that I’m going to be picking Scott Parker to be the captain for this game.’ Scott Parker is a good player and honest; I’ve got a lot of respect for Scott as a player and a person. But to pick Scott Parker as England captain ahead of me? Absolutely laughable.


I don’t know whether it was a dig at Liverpool or something more personal — but my overall perception was that Pearce was doing some muscle-flexing in the toilet mirrors.

My guess is it was a decision designed to focus attention on him, his way of saying: ‘This is me. I’m in charge.’

I might have had misgivings about his tactical insights as a coach, but I respected Pearce until that moment. I felt he treated me very badly. It was insulting — and wrong. I thought it was selfish. It was a political decision to make everyone think he had balls.

It was clear in team meetings Pearce wanted to impress and get a crack at the job for Euro 2012.

But I think the decision he shared with me in a toilet was one of the reasons he never got the position he craved.'

'Of the bad ones, I don’t really want to waste time thinking about El Hadji Diouf but it’s worth highlighting his wasted seasons at Liverpool as an example of how it can all go wrong. Gerard Houllier, a very good manager and a usually wise judge of character, signed Diouf in the summer of 2002. Gerard bought Diouf for £10m from Lens - solely on the recommendation of his former assistant, Patrice Bergues, who had coached Diouf there.

I understood why Gerard rushed through the signing, but he did not really know Diouf as a person. He was one of three new signings which were meant to turn Liverpool into Premier League champions. We had finished as runners-up to Manchester United the season before and a combination of Diouf, Salif Diao and Bruno Cheyrou was supposed to drive us to the title. It was probably the biggest waste of £18m in Liverpool’s history ever. We finished 5th that season.'

Probably a few cringe-worthy comments for Liverpool fans with bigging up United and saying he made the wrong choice to stay at Liverpool.

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Oh and my favourite, on that slip:

Instead of hitting a long crossfield pass to set up a goal, making a decisive tackle or curling the ball into the back of the Chelsea goal to seal our victory, I had fallen over.
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it that an exert from a page or a series of pages? If it's one page, it's all over the show.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Jeff Vader wrote:

it that an exert from a page or a series of pages? If it's one page, it's all over the show.

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It's a series of exerts, not just one page. Just put it all in one post.

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ah ok. Cool

Grumpy old bastard alert

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ajc28 wrote:

Any thoughts on some of the insights coming from Gerrard's autobiography? 

'In my last season, Brendan Rodgers came to me at Melwood one day in mid-August. We had a chat on the training pitch. He said, ‘You know we’ve missed out on a couple of signings. I’m basically left with no option but to have a bit of a gamble.’

Brendan paused before he spoke again: ‘The gamble is Mario Balotelli.’ My instant reaction was, ‘Uh-oh.’

'In 2004, Ferguson had called me 'the most influential player in England, bar none' and suggested that 'anyone would love to have Gerrard in their team'. So I was a little hurt and surprised when 13 years later, Ferguson used his autobiography to insist he was one of the few he never thought I was 'a top, top player'. I wouldn't lose any sleep but I was slightly taken aback after all his praise. The only point that mattered was that I have real respect for Ferguson, but I wondered how many league titles he thought Scholes or Keane might have won if they had played for a side like Liverpool. I would have done OK in a United team playing alongside Keane in midfield with David Beckham on the right, Ryan Giggs on the left and Ruud van Nistelrooy up front. I would have managed pretty well in that side.'

'When I saw Rafa taking Fernando off I felt my heart sink, this was my year. I had come so close the previous season and here I was at what was supposed to be my crowning season, the one where all my dreams came to be staring at the gaffer and shaking my head, I felt a pain like no other person could possibly feel. I thought so till that fateful day in Anfield against Chelsea. As Macheda curled that ball into the corner of the net I cried, I cried for myself because I knew that it was over, all that I had worked so hard for all season was over. I never forgave Villa for handing United the trophy that season, they will always be dirt to me, utter filth. I cried all night long. As I think about this, I feel like crying again.'

'Best Midfielder I played against? Keane No 1. The rest? They’re all different. Frank’s the best goalscoring midfielder, Scholes the best footballer, Vieira the most difficult opponent... I loved playing against all of them. They showed me how a true great midfielder should play.'

'On Rafa: I used to think he favoured our Spanish-speakers. He was an especially big fan of South American players, which is fine. It caused no problem between us. At press conferences he might call other players by their first name but I was always 'Gerrard'. It was the same in the dressing room. He would read out the team and use nicknames. But, for me, it would just be 'Gerrard'. I thought long and hard, why? Why me?'

'During those distressing days when I felt so torn about whether or not I should stay or go I never once thought to myself, 'I want to play for Chelsea instead of Liverpool'. My head was almost turned because I was thinking, 'I'd love to play for Jose Mourinho'. I was certain that, under Jose, I would win all the trophies I craved. Between July 2005 and May 2015 Chelsea won the Champions League, two Premier League titles, four FA Cups, the Europa League and two League Cups. That's 10 big trophies. In that same period at Liverpool, I have won an FA Cup and a League Cup. A league cup. Chelsea 10, Liverpool 2. I knew I made the wrong choice.'

'The following morning, just before the squad left for training, Pearce pulled me into a toilet at The Grove. He said, ‘I just wanted to tell you face to face that I’m going to be picking Scott Parker to be the captain for this game.’ Scott Parker is a good player and honest; I’ve got a lot of respect for Scott as a player and a person. But to pick Scott Parker as England captain ahead of me? Absolutely laughable.


I don’t know whether it was a dig at Liverpool or something more personal — but my overall perception was that Pearce was doing some muscle-flexing in the toilet mirrors.

My guess is it was a decision designed to focus attention on him, his way of saying: ‘This is me. I’m in charge.’

I might have had misgivings about his tactical insights as a coach, but I respected Pearce until that moment. I felt he treated me very badly. It was insulting — and wrong. I thought it was selfish. It was a political decision to make everyone think he had balls.

It was clear in team meetings Pearce wanted to impress and get a crack at the job for Euro 2012.

But I think the decision he shared with me in a toilet was one of the reasons he never got the position he craved.'

'Of the bad ones, I don’t really want to waste time thinking about El Hadji Diouf but it’s worth highlighting his wasted seasons at Liverpool as an example of how it can all go wrong. Gerard Houllier, a very good manager and a usually wise judge of character, signed Diouf in the summer of 2002. Gerard bought Diouf for £10m from Lens - solely on the recommendation of his former assistant, Patrice Bergues, who had coached Diouf there.

I understood why Gerard rushed through the signing, but he did not really know Diouf as a person. He was one of three new signings which were meant to turn Liverpool into Premier League champions. We had finished as runners-up to Manchester United the season before and a combination of Diouf, Salif Diao and Bruno Cheyrou was supposed to drive us to the title. It was probably the biggest waste of £18m in Liverpool’s history ever. We finished 5th that season.'

Probably a few cringe-worthy comments for Liverpool fans with bigging up United and saying he made the wrong choice to stay at Liverpool.

I don't cringe at this at all. Someone who gave so much to just one club can right feel like he maybe deserved a bit more and that's a competitive nature and desire to win that all top sports people have. 

He rarely let the club down but he was let down by the club on a few occasions.

I felt a bit that same about Rio and Lampard (despite them not being one club players) they gave their best at their respective clubs and were then let go with very little fanfare.  

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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How one club men should go out

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I would have done OK in a United team playing alongside Keane in midfield with David Beckham on the right, Ryan Giggs on the left and Ruud van Nistelrooy up front. I would have managed pretty well in that side.'

This was my favourite comment. Thinks he would've displaced Scholes. LOL.

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I like the one about his secret rendevous with Pearce in the toilet.

a.haak

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Where does he say he'd displace Scholes? Maybe ask Sir Alex who wanted Stevie in the team.

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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To be fair, he did displace Scholes. Scholes was pushed out to the left for England and then retired.

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That worked out well for them

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Stevie G was saying he'd could imagine playing in his position with those other players around him. I think you're reading a bit too much into his comments to come up with a #LFC vs #MUFC argument. The fact that Fergie chased him prompted him to make that comment.

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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Anyone happy with the draw? Could have been worse and that is arguably the toughest game in that pool (although a trip to Russia won't be nice). Did sakho do enough to start vs norwich?
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Tyler wrote:
Anyone happy with the draw? Could have been worse and that is arguably the toughest game in that pool (although a trip to Russia won't be nice). Did sakho do enough to start vs norwich?
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Played some of the young guys, 1-1 isn;t bad away but it's Europa, not CL and sad to see us seeing a draw as a passable result in this league if you get what I mean.

Sakho did enough (and shouldn't be out anyway). I think Sakho and Gomez could be a combination in the centre as a way forward with both Skrtel and Lovren just awful.

Rodgers seems intent on starting with a certain formation and then changing it on and off throughout the game leaving some players confused while on defence and tentative about getting too far forward. A point away from home is better than a loss for sure but showed no indication of any improvement from ManU game. 

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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Tyler wrote:
Anyone happy with the draw? Could have been worse and that is arguably the toughest game in that pool (although a trip to Russia won't be nice). Did sakho do enough to start vs norwich?
I think this sums it up nicely https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
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So Norwich huh?

Any less than a win and I hope FSG get in an employment lawyer...

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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Haha....nice call leighbo. Did you read the rumour about Jorge Jesus? I think his name was being in discussions to take over in the summer if Rodgers was fired?
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I'm so looking forward to the implosion at Liverpool after we do the smash and grab. 

Rodgers to be given his P45 after we win 1-0.

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Sakho signs a new deal.......wonder if the new contract includes a buy out clause!

Pretty happy if he gets to play though

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Hendo breaks a bone in his foot during training and is out for two months. FML.

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Well that was depressing. 

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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we nearly got you with our rope a dope tactic

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For quite some time Jr and I have kept a bit quiet but we've been consistent about 3 things- Rodgers , Benteke and Milner. Rodgers has outstayed his welcome and Benteke was not a good buy. Is he a good player? undoubtedly but he isn't a good fit for us. Ings was much more impressive. Milner was distinctly average today.

No , we don't lose but with all due respect to Norwich , with the calibre of player we have available we should really be caning them. Fair play to them though- they'll be far happier with a draw then we are.

This is going to be a very very long season. Whether FSG get rid of Rodgers so soon is debatable ( we both think he should have gone after Stoke last year) but he really is out of his depth.

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Here's a rumour for you all via the Macca site. 

There have been talks with a manager who is currently on sabbatical but it's NOT Klopp. Other rumours would indicate it is actually Ancelotti who they also talked to in summer but were stalled due to a knee operation he needed to have. 

Do with that what you will. At first look, Ancelotti would be brilliant and has plenty of pedigree but is he right for LFC if it is true? 

"...sure beats doin' stuff."

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Middle-Manager Rodgers did his dash; i'd be surprised if you stuck with him any longer.

a.haak

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I miss the days when we used to beat Norwich by a margin of about 30. Suarez would score every ten seconds and in the second half we'd play with six men on the pitch and still keep a clean sheet. None of this 1-1 shark. Sigh. 

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LeighboNZ wrote:

Here's a rumour for you all via the Macca site. 

There have been talks with a manager who is currently on sabbatical but it's NOT Klopp. Other rumours would indicate it is actually Ancelotti who they also talked to in summer but were stalled due to a knee operation he needed to have. 

Do with that what you will. At first look, Ancelotti would be brilliant and has plenty of pedigree but is he right for LFC if it is true? 

Awesome. Big Sam , come on down. He doesn't have a job , does he? 

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Jazzman wrote:
LeighboNZ wrote:

Here's a rumour for you all via the Macca site. 

There have been talks with a manager who is currently on sabbatical but it's NOT Klopp. Other rumours would indicate it is actually Ancelotti who they also talked to in summer but were stalled due to a knee operation he needed to have. 

Do with that what you will. At first look, Ancelotti would be brilliant and has plenty of pedigree but is he right for LFC if it is true? 

Awesome. Big Sam , come on down. He doesn't have a job , does he? 

He'd keep you up. Never been relegated.

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LeighboNZ wrote:

Here's a rumour for you all via the Macca site. 

There have been talks with a manager who is currently on sabbatical but it's NOT Klopp. Other rumours would indicate it is actually Ancelotti who they also talked to in summer but were stalled due to a knee operation he needed to have. 

Do with that what you will. At first look, Ancelotti would be brilliant and has plenty of pedigree but is he right for LFC if it is true? 

As a I-don't-really-like-Liverpool person, I think this would be a tremendous deal for LFC if it could be pulled off. He has unfinished business in the EPL after the way he was shafted at Chelsea. 

He's proven to be a friend of Liverpool in the past, as he took a broken down Fernando Torres off your hands for 50M.

Seriously though, I'd rather have him thank Klopp. 

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