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JarrodM wrote:
Eric Cantona wrote:
JarrodM wrote:
Eric Cantona wrote:
Any of you ever plan to go to Old Trafford? The MUFC NZ Supporters Club now owns 3 season tickets. $30 a season gives you access to these tickets, a monthly newsletter, monthly get-togethers in Auckland, a free pin badge on joining, regular DVD's sent out to your address throughout the season of stuff from MUTV and Sky Sports UK, and the chance to play for the MUFC NZ football team.

www.mufcnz.com

Come on you Reds!


Do you have many member's from outside of Auckland?


Of course, I'd say about 30-40% are outside of Auckland. I know from experience there are a heck of a lot of Reds in Wellington and Christchurch. It would be great if there was a regular place to watch United games in Wellington, for example. Hamilton and Whangarei are other hotbeds for United fans I have noticed.


I'm keen to join. where do i sign up.
 
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Reckon back 4 will be Smalling Ferdinand Jones Evra
2nd midfielder choice: Park is a more Cleverly-type player but SAF seems to have him pigeon-holed for Europe for some reason & his natural inclination is fwd whereas Anderson is developing into true box-to-box midfielder.
Carrick or Fletcher would change the nature of the side that has been so exhilarating in EPL's first few games.

Here's a left field idea: Young in midfield (he's played there before) with Nani and Valencia playing wide? Wow but unlikely SAF would consider such a move in such a big game. Likewise Pogba getting an opportunity or trying a Da Silva twin in such a role.

As well as Rooney & Chicha are going, be nice to see Berbatov get more than a token few minutes at some point.
Stretford End2011-09-16 12:01:11

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Pogba will play at Leeds in the League Cup in the middle of next week, and there will be a LOT of eyes on that.
 
Expect Owen, Macheda et al. to get a match then, but Berbatov is an interesting one. Can see him sitting on the fringes of the league squad every week, only getting the occasional start.
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Berba top scorer last year; gotta give him decent game time to see how he works with the 'new breed' or sell him in January; with Wellbeck 3rd option and Owen and Macheda as emergency cover.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Berbatov will only get decent time if we start dropping games.
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Berba is now 'security' along with owen.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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Stretford End wrote:
Berba top scorer last year; gotta give him decent game time to see how he works with the 'new breed' or sell him in January; with Wellbeck 3rd option and Owen and Macheda as emergency cover.

Diouf as well
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Diouf is sh*t.
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nzmanu wrote:
Diouf is sh*t.

I thought he played well in the USA during pre season. Versatile, played on the wings and up front. Good work rate. Nothing hugely flashy, but I wouldn't rate him far behind Macheda and Owen
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Big game this weekend boys. Will be interesting to see selections for Right Back and Central Midfield. I hope he sticks with Anderson who has been brilliant in the league this year IMO.
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Good win. Nerves gone. Get up Fulham!
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Great result, but some pretty sloppy play at times. First goal was offside but thats the way it goes sometimes. 3-1 was not a true reflection on the game. Chelsea looked good at times.
I know all the Liverpool fans will be laughing at Torres, but I would have him in my team anytime.
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.
Loved all the other results.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Yeah was a good win in a strange match, so many chances the game could've finished 7-5 or something, but just pleased to get 3 points.

I was a tad suprised to see Fletcher get the nod, but I thought he did quite well. Anderson had a fairly poor match by his standards this season, but overall the midfield did alll right. Nani was outstanding.
 
How bad was Torres' miss?! Had a good chuckle at that.
 
Lovely to see City drop points, hopefully there will be a bit more of that coming up.
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Leggy wrote:
Great result, but some pretty sloppy play at times. First goal was offside but thats the way it goes sometimes. 3-1 was not a true reflection on the game. Chelsea looked good at times.
I know all the Liverpool fans will be laughing at Torres, but I would have him in my team anytime.
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.
Loved all the other results.
 
Yeah Chelsea did look good. They were just missing a top quality striker to put the chances away, and Torres only showed glimpses of it. Think Drogba might've made a difference for them.
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Leggy wrote:
Great result, but some pretty sloppy play at times. First goal was offside but thats the way it goes sometimes. 3-1 was not a true reflection on the game. Chelsea looked good at times.
I know all the Liverpool fans will be laughing at Torres, but I would have him in my team anytime.
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.
Loved all the other results.
 
Yeah Chelsea did look good. They were just missing a top quality striker to put the chances away, and Torres only showed glimpses of being that. Think Drogba might've made a difference for them.
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Fletcher was OK, gave the ball away a few times but he is a good player and will come right. I cringed when Carrick came on as I just don't rate him, but as long as he does the simple stuff he is OK.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
I know all the Liverpool fans will be laughing at Torres, but I would have him in my team anytime.
tbf, we're not laughing at anything this morning.
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El-Ni�o wrote:
Leggy wrote:
I know all the Liverpool fans will be laughing at Torres, but I would have him in my team anytime.
tbf, we're not laughing at anything this morning.
 
Didn't Falcao score a hatty? Can't be all bad (for yourself at least).
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Paulinho wrote:
El-Ni�o wrote:
Leggy wrote:
I know all the Liverpool fans will be laughing at Torres, but I would have him in my team anytime.
tbf, we're not laughing at anything this morning.
 
Didn't Falcao score a hatty? Can't be all bad (for yourself at least).
 
yup, he's class. been on the right and wrong side of a 4-0 scoreline today!
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Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.

Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.

Interesting stat from todays game, Nani and Ronaldo at 100 games both had scored 19 goals, but Nani with 33 (?) assists to Ronaldo's 12. Don't think Nani will replicate the goal scoring threat that Ronaldo provided, but is playing well. Wish that second effort went in rather than hitting the cross bar, two blistering shots.
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Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.

Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.

 
That tackle was awful. Interesting that the penalty wasn't given, yet the ref was still aware of the tackle and booked him. I don't understand that if the ball was dead and the tackle was made, it wouldn't be a penalty (as the commentators were suggesting). Anyone know the definitive rule behind that?
 
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Paulinho wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.
Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.


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That tackle was awful. Interesting that the penalty wasn't given, yet the ref was still aware of the tackle and booked him. I don't understand that if the ball was dead and the tackle was made, it wouldn't be a penalty (as the commentators were suggesting). Anyone know the definitive rule behind that?

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You would think it should be penalty, not sure if it was because the AR seemed to alert the ref to the offence. Hope it is nothing too serious, luckily in a position we have a lot of depth
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Bullion wrote:
Paulinho wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.
Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.


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That tackle was awful. Interesting that the penalty wasn't given, yet the ref was still aware of the tackle and booked him. I don't understand that if the ball was dead and the tackle was made, it wouldn't be a penalty (as the commentators were suggesting). Anyone know the definitive rule behind that?

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You would think it should be penalty, not sure if it was because the AR seemed to alert the ref to the offence. Hope it is nothing too serious, luckily in a position we have a lot of depth


He could have been given a red card, but if the ball was dead I doubt it could have been a penalty.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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This is something El Grap would know. I'm not convinced that if the ball was dead then it's no penalty, it's still a foul in the box.
 
Not sure, I haven't seen much about it in the media since it happened actually.
Paulinho2011-09-19 21:02:04
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The most satisfying thing about yesterdays win was watching that prick Terry have a shocker. Shocking closing down for Nani's goal, and then he smashed his clearance straight into Nani for Rooney's goal.

Smalling, Jones > Terry
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Gutted about Hernandez, but I'm quite excited about seeing Berba getting back on the pitch. He bought real composure to the game when he came on, held up the ball, moved it around nicely and didn't look in a rush to do things which was important at that stage, but I also like his ability to bring other players into the game, whereas Hernandez is more a hard working/pounce on chances and chase balls all day type of player.
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Really enjoyed Berba playing the last ten minutes at centre half, quality to watch. Especially as his partner was Michael Carrick, who played the whole 90 at the back.
 
Eased to victory today, was the perfect result really, young guys and the wider squad got a game, the old heads controlled the match, three debutants, and a guy coming back from injury. All in a white hot atmospehere.
 
Cracking goals as well.
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he played centre half?!
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Yeah our young kid Ezekiel Fryers (sweet name) who was at centre back went of injured with ten to go and we had made our three changes. So back saunters Dimitar to take control.
 
Rio tweeted that apparently he rates himself at centrehalf in training.
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Lol, class. Probs cos he doesn't have to run so much  I can relate to that!
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Leggy wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Paulinho wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.[/QUOTE] Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.

That tackle was awful. Interesting that the penalty wasn't given, yet the ref was still aware of the tackle and booked him. I don't understand that if the ball was dead and the tackle was made, it wouldn't be a penalty (as the commentators were suggesting). Anyone know the definitive rule behind that?

You would think it should be penalty, not sure if it was because the AR seemed to alert the ref to the offence. Hope it is nothing too serious, luckily in a position we have a lot of depth


He could have been given a red card, but if the ball was dead I doubt it could have been a penalty.

Yeah, seems ball was dead before contact was made:
[quote=ref365]Right then, that aside, I want to have a look first at Ashley Cole's challenge on Javier Hernandez which so enraged Sir Alex Ferguson. There's a double issue to be discussed here, because there is a debate on the severity of the tackle and then one on whether it was a penalty or not.

Starting with the latter, I have slowed down the footage to the point where I can tell that when Cole made contact with Hernandez the ball was out of play. Just. So technically the right decision was made to not give a penalty. Now I think referee Phil Dowd and his assistant have guessed at that, because the speed of the incident is so great that I doubt they were certain, but they've got to call it one way or another. They've guessed, but they've got it right.

However, I think the tackle itself was awful. It was high, it was late, it was dangerous. It was halfway up the leg of Hernandez and the studs were evident. I think it was very poor from Cole, and that he knew what he was doing. He is a lucky boy.
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i was wondering something. how come hernandez plays with his nickname on his back? and does this mean any player could put whatever they wanted on their shirt, for example could wayne rooney put "the big w" on his back if he pleased?
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Downey26 wrote:
i was wondering something. how come hernandez plays with his nickname on his back? and does this mean any player could put whatever they wanted on their shirt, for example could wayne rooney put "the big w" on his back if he pleased?


People already know he is.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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well, "Kun" is just a nickname for Aguero which he has. So yeah, guess so.
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Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Paulinho wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.[/QUOTE] Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.

That tackle was awful. Interesting that the penalty wasn't given, yet the ref was still aware of the tackle and booked him. I don't understand that if the ball was dead and the tackle was made, it wouldn't be a penalty (as the commentators were suggesting). Anyone know the definitive rule behind that?

You would think it should be penalty, not sure if it was because the AR seemed to alert the ref to the offence. Hope it is nothing too serious, luckily in a position we have a lot of depth


He could have been given a red card, but if the ball was dead I doubt it could have been a penalty.

Yeah, seems ball was dead before contact was made:
[quote=ref365]Right then, that aside, I want to have a look first at Ashley Cole's challenge on Javier Hernandez which so enraged Sir Alex Ferguson. There's a double issue to be discussed here, because there is a debate on the severity of the tackle and then one on whether it was a penalty or not.

Starting with the latter, I have slowed down the footage to the point where I can tell that when Cole made contact with Hernandez the ball was out of play. Just. So technically the right decision was made to not give a penalty. Now I think referee Phil Dowd and his assistant have guessed at that, because the speed of the incident is so great that I doubt they were certain, but they've got to call it one way or another. They've guessed, but they've got it right.

However, I think the tackle itself was awful. It was high, it was late, it was dangerous. It was halfway up the leg of Hernandez and the studs were evident. I think it was very poor from Cole, and that he knew what he was doing. He is a lucky boy.
 
Ok, so if Rory Delap is winding up for a long throw, and before he throws it in there is shirt tugging in the box, as Kenywne Jones (or one of their other large humans) tries to get away from their marker. So long as this is going on while the ball is 'dead'. there is nothing wrong with this? No penalty, but someone can be yellow or even red carded?
 
I used the example of a throw in because for a corner or a free kick the ball is still technically on the field of play.
 
I'm also not bitter or anything about not getting the call, I'm just genuinely interested as to the rule.
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Paulinho wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Paulinho wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Coles tackle was thuggish and he was lucky to stay on the park.[/QUOTE] Total c**t of a tackle, especially the continuation with the other foot.
That tackle was awful. Interesting that the penalty wasn't given, yet the ref was still aware of the tackle and booked him. I don't understand that if the ball was dead and the tackle was made, it wouldn't be a penalty (as the commentators were suggesting). Anyone know the definitive rule behind that?
You would think it should be penalty, not sure if it was because the AR seemed to alert the ref to the offence. Hope it is nothing too serious, luckily in a position we have a lot of depth
He could have been given a red card, but if the ball was dead I doubt it could have been a penalty.
Yeah, seems ball was dead before contact was made: [quote=ref365]Right then, that aside, I want to have a look first at Ashley Cole's challenge on Javier Hernandez which so enraged Sir Alex Ferguson. There's a double issue to be discussed here, because there is a debate on the severity of the tackle and then one on whether it was a penalty or not. Starting with the latter, I have slowed down the footage to the point where I can tell that when Cole made contact with Hernandez the ball was out of play. Just. So technically the right decision was made to not give a penalty. Now I think referee Phil Dowd and his assistant have guessed at that, because the speed of the incident is so great that I doubt they were certain, but they've got to call it one way or another. They've guessed, but they've got it right. However, I think the tackle itself was awful. It was high, it was late, it was dangerous. It was halfway up the leg of Hernandez and the studs were evident. I think it was very poor from Cole, and that he knew what he was doing. He is a lucky boy.


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Ok, so if Rory Delap is winding up for a long throw, and before he throws it in there is shirt tugging in the box, as Kenywne Jones (or one of their other large humans) tries to get away from their marker. So long as this is going on while the ball is 'dead'. there is nothing wrong with this? No penalty, but someone can be yellow or even red carded?

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I used the example of a throw in because for a corner or a free kick the ball is still technically on the field of play.

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I'm also not bitter or anything about not getting the call, I'm just genuinely interested as to the rule.

Yeah, just listening to the latest football weekly podcast they had an example of some guy getting sent of for a punch in the box when waiting for a corner, ball is still dead, and no penalty.
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After this morning's performance I'd love to see Owen getting the chance to start up front this weekend ahead of Berbatov. Good to see Welbeck making a speedy comeback as well. I have to admit I was quite impressed with Diouf, especially when you take into account he was playing put of position.
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Downey26 wrote:
i was wondering something. how come hernandez plays with his nickname on his back? and does this mean any player could put whatever they wanted on their shirt, for example could wayne rooney put "the big w" on his back if he pleased?
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[QUOTE=El-Ni�o] well, "Kun" is just a nickname for Aguero which he has. So yeah, guess so.


I actually read about this and why aguero was allowed to have "kun aguero" on his shirt. One of the Premier League officials was quoted saying that as long as the name has been used previously in a different league that they would allow him to use it in the premier league.
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JarrodM wrote:
Downey26 wrote:
i was wondering something. how come hernandez plays with his nickname on his back? and does this mean any player could put whatever they wanted on their shirt, for example could wayne rooney put "the big w" on his back if he pleased?
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[QUOTE=El-Ni�o] well, "Kun" is just a nickname for Aguero which he has. So yeah, guess so.


I actually read about this and why aguero was allowed to have "kun aguero" on his shirt. One of the Premier League officials was quoted saying that as long as the name has been used previously in a different league that they would allow him to use it in the premier league.

So we should loan the next great star of the Premier League to the Phoenix, allow him to put this on his shirt, then the Premier League will let this be his name?

 


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Yeah there are definitely rules and players have to apply for special dispensation. I remember this from when Christian Benitez had 'Chucho' on his shirt a couple of years ago for Brum, as I think it took a bit of convincing for the FA/PL to approve it.
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