Manchester United

At least we're making chances I suppose.

Gutted about Elanga's in particular.

Losing 4-1 to City won't help the cause. Be interesting to hear the excuses. 

Lonegunmen

Losing 4-1 to City won't help the cause. Be interesting to hear the excuses. 

No excuses. Just not good enough.A bit like QPR

result still a bit raw huh Leggy?
Roy's not happy with the team at all.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/300533950/roy-keane-slams-manchester-united-as-shameful-after-derby-thumping-by-city

At one point we went on a counter-attack... with the ball on the left-wing, 8 City players got back into their own half before Rashford (playing as striker) started sprinting.

We didn't just give up the players couldn't be arsed.

Start shipping them out.

Just seen the Maguire dummy assist for the second goal. You just hoof the ball into the stands for a corner there. He desperately needs to head in a corner soon so he can cup his ears to the critics again.

At least we could win the UEFA Conference next year

Make this happen!!
I'm not enthused by Poch or ten Hag, but Tuchel to MU gives me a little stiffy. 

https://www.football365.com/news/carragher-claims-tuchel-man-utd-no-brainer-chelsea

Yes, let's all have some fun and laugh at United, our lack of penetration, and the atrocious performances from the likes of Rashford (and more)... and I accept it. United need to look at themselves and fix what we can control.

At some point though, you also have to acknowledge that you simply cannot play football against this Atletico team with a referee like we saw today.

Potentially Ronaldo's last Champions League appearance this morning?
End of an era if that ends up being the case. Best ever Champions League player in history? 

paulm

Potentially Ronaldo's last Champions League appearance this morning?
End of an era if that ends up being the case. Best ever Champions League player in history? 

He'll be back at Juve with Pogba next season, or at PSG with Pogba.....

Season ticket holder Stretford End - please let me know if you're a United fan and come for a visit! Matt.

TheFlyingKiwis

Season ticket holder Stretford End - please let me know if you're a United fan and come for a visit! Matt.

Might hit you up in August :o

I give up. 
I really think Ralf is being subconsciously undermined by being only referred to as "Interim Manager". Why not just call him the gaffer, on a short term deal? 

Rusty Dunks

I give up. 
I really think Ralf is being subconsciously undermined by being only referred to as "Interim Manager". Why not just call him the gaffer, on a short term deal? 

i think it's a tough one given he was penciled in to take DOF role. By calling him interim, it implies he doesn't have enough time. Otherwise, a failed manager being made DOF starts to raise alarm bells.

The best thing Rolf has done is show the world how terrible these players are. The attitude stinks.

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Rusty Dunks

I give up. 
I really think Ralf is being subconsciously undermined by being only referred to as "Interim Manager". Why not just call him the gaffer, on a short term deal? 

i think it's a tough one given he was penciled in to take DOF role. By calling him interim, it implies he doesn't have enough time. Otherwise, a failed manager being made DOF starts to raise alarm bells.

The best thing Rolf has done is show the world how terrible these players are. The attitude stinks.

Have been saying this for a long time but most on here just kept bagging me. ha ha

At least all United fans still have their cellphones!

Didn't want to beat Liverpool anyway....

I watched the Man City v Liverpool the other day and I said afterwards that not one Utd player would get in either side and were at least 4 goals better than us. It proved to be correct and we were just embarrassing. There were a few players out but the reality was it was men against boys. Even with a big turnaround of players we are many years away from ever challenging for the title.
Poor management from the board and Woodward have destroyed this club

How good was that second goal... regardless of performances, that particular goal looked undefendable. The one touch passes, no one could've anticipated that ball from Mane and been able to keep up with Salah. 
They are a very very good team. They remind me of watching Arsenal in our heyday 20 years ago, just the way it all clicks together like that sometimes. 

paulm

How good was that second goal... regardless of performances, that particular goal looked undefendable. The one touch passes, no one could've anticipated that ball from Mane and been able to keep up with Salah. 
They are a very very good team. They remind me of watching Arsenal in our heyday 20 years ago, just the way it all clicks together like that sometimes. 

This Liverpool side would have tonked the Arsenal team of 20 years ago.

Leggy

I watched the Man City v Liverpool the other day and I said afterwards that not one Utd player would get in either side and were at least 4 goals better than us. It proved to be correct and we were just embarrassing. There were a few players out but the reality was it was men against boys. Even with a big turnaround of players we are many years away from ever challenging for the title.
Poor management from the board and Woodward have destroyed this club

The Club is not destroyed, it's become just another club where the fans are always looking to the next year hoping for  improvement.

Leggy

paulm

How good was that second goal... regardless of performances, that particular goal looked undefendable. The one touch passes, no one could've anticipated that ball from Mane and been able to keep up with Salah. 
They are a very very good team. They remind me of watching Arsenal in our heyday 20 years ago, just the way it all clicks together like that sometimes. 

This Liverpool side would have tonked the Arsenal team of 20 years ago.

Clinging on to hypotheticals because your team is sharke, your interim manager is a fraud, your captain is a fridge, your best two midfielders are children, your hot prospect is a rapist and your club legend is off to Paris.

Whilst Buffon's post was a bit unnecessary, your response there is in very poor taste Leggy. You can do a lot better than that mate. 

paulm

Whilst Buffon's post was a bit unnecessary, your response there is in very poor taste Leggy. You can do a lot better than that mate. 

about as unnecessary as leggy's response and claim regarding the invincible squad. 
we get it Leggy, your team are struggling right now and you're frustrated, no need to lash out with hyperbole though.

paulm

Whilst Buffon's post was a bit unnecessary, your response there is in very poor taste Leggy. You can do a lot better than that mate. 

Buffon's post was similar to the ones he used to put on in 2007 when he was still at school. Obviously he has not gown up although in his 30's.
Too many snowflakes these days :)
 

At least Buffy and Leggy’s rivalry still has a bit of edge. Sadly Man U and anyone is a bit of a bust at the moment. And even worse for Man U fans to think about is the ex-player manager stakes Steve Bruce and Solksjaer v Arteta and Viera. 
Though Rooney has earned plaudits at Derby I believe l, for Luke Skywalker type efforts in a bleak situation. 

martinb

At least Buffy and Leggy’s rivalry still has a bit of edge. Sadly Man U and anyone is a bit of a bust at the moment. And even worse for Man U fans to think about is the ex-player manager stakes Steve Bruce and Solksjaer v Arteta and Viera. 
Though Rooney has earned plaudits at Derby I believe l, for Luke Skywalker type efforts in a bleak situation. 

You forgot Laurent Blanc and Mark Hughes 
I am a big fan of Arteta but people seem to forget he played a lot more games for Everton than he did for Arsenal

Does that mean he's not allowed to be classed as an ex-Arsenal player? 
Laurent Blanc is not an ex-ManU player in that case, he's ex-Montpellier. 

Buffon II

Leggy

paulm

How good was that second goal... regardless of performances, that particular goal looked undefendable. The one touch passes, no one could've anticipated that ball from Mane and been able to keep up with Salah. 
They are a very very good team. They remind me of watching Arsenal in our heyday 20 years ago, just the way it all clicks together like that sometimes. 

This Liverpool side would have tonked the Arsenal team of 20 years ago.

Clinging on to hypotheticals because your team is sharke, your interim manager is a fraud, your captain is a fridge, your best two midfielders are children, your hot prospect is a rapist and your club legend is off to Paris.

And yet somehow we're still competing for your prized 4th place! 😂 😂 

Silly chat, anyway...

Some thoughts:

paulm

Does that mean he's not allowed to be classed as an ex-Arsenal player? 
Laurent Blanc is not an ex-ManU player in that case, he's ex-Montpellier. 

Always looking to be clever. I never inferred any such thing re Arteta. 

What was the point of your comment if you weren't inferring such a thing? 
I'm not clever enough to figure it out. 

Buffon II

Leggy

paulm

How good was that second goal... regardless of performances, that particular goal looked undefendable. The one touch passes, no one could've anticipated that ball from Mane and been able to keep up with Salah. 
They are a very very good team. They remind me of watching Arsenal in our heyday 20 years ago, just the way it all clicks together like that sometimes. 

This Liverpool side would have tonked the Arsenal team of 20 years ago.

Clinging on to hypotheticals because your team is sharke, your interim manager is a fraud, your captain is a fridge, your best two midfielders are children, your hot prospect is a rapist and your club legend is off to Paris.

Haha - all true!! (though didn't know Phil Jones is going to Paris!)

Apart from Ralf being a fraud. I think he's very quickly identified what/who the problems are (i.e.: everything and everyone), which was his remit. He can't polish a turd, after all. He's as (more?) frustrated as anyone else with this shower of shark.

As for the Liverpool of now vs the Invincibles quip - I agree. From memory, the Invincibles drew a lot of games, I think modern-day Liverpool or Man City would have them on toast. Not as bad as we were destroyed, mind you. We're shark. But it's just an opinion. 

I also think peak-City (KdB, Silva, Yaya, Kompany, Agueroooooooo) would run rings around current Liverpool, but that could also be my extreme anti-Scouser attitude coming out. I actually think peak-City would beat 1999-United, but not 2008-United. Who knows. Who cares. 

Kind of cooked that Pawson goes to the screen to review the possible penalty, not only gets lambasted by Arteta on the way, but then is only presented with one camera angle 8 times.

Not to mention Elanga's shout - who beats his defender, has his arm pulled back, then shoulder grabbed - doesn't get a look...

Or old mate who got beaten by Sancho and just fell to the ground and stopped the ball with his arm...

Lmao Ramsdale entirely sent the wrong way and acting like anyone will know his name in 18 months.

Incredible offside finish from Ronny.

The rest of our players: 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

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Kind of cooked that Pawson goes to the screen to review the possible penalty, not only gets lambasted by Arteta on the way, but then is only presented with one camera angle 8 times.

Not to mention Elanga's shout - who beats his defender, has his arm pulled back, then shoulder grabbed - doesn't get a look...

Or old mate who got beaten by Sancho and just fell to the ground and stopped the ball with his arm...

mate your dreaming if you think that first pen wasnt one, clear foul all day, looked to me like Arteta was appealing for Nketiahs goal not to be ruled out.
Elanga went down way to easily.
And the Sancho shout is probably a fair call.

theprof

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Kind of cooked that Pawson goes to the screen to review the possible penalty, not only gets lambasted by Arteta on the way, but then is only presented with one camera angle 8 times.

Not to mention Elanga's shout - who beats his defender, has his arm pulled back, then shoulder grabbed - doesn't get a look...

Or old mate who got beaten by Sancho and just fell to the ground and stopped the ball with his arm...

mate your dreaming if you think that first pen wasnt one, clear foul all day, looked to me like Arteta was appealing for Nketiahs goal not to be ruled out.
Elanga went down way to easily.
And the Sancho shout is probably a fair call.

I didn't say it wasn't - I said I think it's wrong that he only sees one angle, and that it's wrong that Arteta gets to scream at him before hand. Just reeks of typical Premier League nonsense where they haven't put an ounce of thought into the rules. Mark my words we'll have a more controversial situation in future when the referee is only shown one angle.

... and as I type again Elanga is cynically grabbed and fouled again.