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Jag wrote:
As you've pointed out, certain sections of the media are quite happy to use as many WWII references as they can in the lead up to England v Germany games, so we shouldn't be surprised that we get that sort of thing showing up in the crowd.
 
Just be interesting what The Sun would say if German fans decided to pitch up to the game dressed as SS or Gestapo officers?



and these same Tory rags are forever defending the honor of our brave servicemen etc.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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ForteanTimes wrote:


[QUOTE=Buffon II]
Just reading another article, (when will I give up?), in the guardian suggesting it's the pressure from the fans that influence the FA into picking it's Managers.�I love journos, they are the ones the FA listens to not the fans. They over-hype the team and manager and then stick the knife in� when the manager/team cock it up, like a typical sh*t-stirrer that never seems to get caught at it.�


Let us not forget that the news is always made. Always.HarryHotspur2010-06-30 16:44:27
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Buffon II wrote:
There would be riots Jag. Fortunately it appears the German fans present at the game aren't that stupid and are just there to have a good time supporting their team.As someone pointed out, imagine if England had lost the war.


yes, imagine ...

depending when that happened in relation to the progress of the Manhattan Project, then quite possibly you would be speaking Japanese
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tigers wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
There would be riots Jag. Fortunately it appears the German fans present at the game aren't that stupid and are just there to have a good time supporting their team.As someone pointed out, imagine if England had lost the war.


yes, imagine ...

depending when that happened in relation to the progress of the Manhattan Project, then quite possibly you would be speaking Japanese


Nowt wrong with that.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Hahahahahahahaha. That is all.
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Buffon II wrote:
There would be riots Jag. Fortunately it appears the German fans present at the game aren't that stupid and are just there to have a good time supporting their team.As someone pointed out, imagine if England had lost the war.


Your English would be worse and your German perfect.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
There would be riots Jag. Fortunately it appears the German fans present at the game aren't that stupid and are just there to have a good time supporting their team.As someone pointed out, imagine if England had lost the war.


Your English would be worse and your German perfect.


Again i wouldn't object to that.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
There would be riots Jag. Fortunately it appears the German fans present at the game aren't that stupid and are just there to have a good time supporting their team.As someone pointed out, imagine if England had lost the war.


Your English would be worse and your German perfect.
Again i wouldn't object to that.


The treaty would have been scrapped for starters.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
There would be riots Jag. Fortunately it appears the German fans present at the game aren't that stupid and are just there to have a good time supporting their team.As someone pointed out, imagine if England had lost the war.


Your English would be worse and your German perfect.
Again i wouldn't object to that.


The treaty would have been scrapped for starters.


Probably a discussion for another time and thread.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Most of the postings over the last couple of pages are in that class Buffy.
 
FWIW no German is ever going to wear a gestapo uniform as a personification of national pride - quite the reverse for obvious reasons. Only misguided college kids and Prince Harry (or was it the other one? don't really care, the whole family is an anachronism) see such pranks as a laugh.
 
Whereas, whether appropriate or not, the British (not solely English) ability to refuse to surrender and continue when they were basically beaten (were it not for Churchill, Britain would have surrendered - Winston refused to follow the advice he'd been given) is a genuine source of pride. Manifesting that at an England v Germany game is somewhat inappropriate - there is no link between WW2 and football.
 
Except that the gutter tabloid press, none of whom have any interest in England doing well, see it as fair game. These papers take great delight in talking up England, raking scandal then sticking in the boot.
 
I remember seeing a documentary on the England manager's job before I came to NZ. They showed that John Sadler of the Sun produced the exact same article on every England manager since, and including, Alf Ramsey. The article had the same headline - "for god's sake just go [manager's name]".
 
What is annoying to normal England fans is that the ill informed and uneducated look at the Sun, Mirror, Daily Mail etc and think they're representative. 
 
Finally, what the Daily Mail "forget" when they do their ugly thing for England-Germany matches is that in the 30s, the Daily Mail publicly supported Hitler. Perhaps they should remember that when they resort to their war-themed crap whenever we play Germany.
 
Anyway, can we talk football now?
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SiNZ wrote:
Most of the postings over the last couple of pages are in that class Buffy.
 
FWIW no German is ever going to wear a gestapo uniform as a personification of national pride - quite the reverse for obvious reasons. Only misguided college kids and Prince Harry (or was it the other one? don't really care, the whole family is an anachronism) see such pranks as a laugh.
 
Whereas, whether appropriate or not, the British (not solely English) ability to refuse to surrender and continue when they were basically beaten (were it not for Churchill, Britain would have surrendered - Winston refused to follow the advice he'd been given) is a genuine source of pride. Manifesting that at an England v Germany game is somewhat inappropriate - there is no link between WW2 and football.
 
Except that the gutter tabloid press, none of whom have any interest in England doing well, see it as fair game. These papers take great delight in talking up England, raking scandal then sticking in the boot.
 
I remember seeing a documentary on the England manager's job before I came to NZ. They showed that John Sadler of the Sun produced the exact same article on every England manager since, and including, Alf Ramsey. The article had the same headline - "for god's sake just go [manager's name]".
 
What is annoying to normal England fans is that the ill informed and uneducated look at the Sun, Mirror, Daily Mail etc and think they're representative. 
 
Finally, what the Daily Mail "forget" when they do their ugly thing for England-Germany matches is that in the 30s, the Daily Mail publicly supported Hitler. Perhaps they should remember that when they resort to their war-themed crap whenever we play Germany.
 
Anyway, can we talk football now?

 
please


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Three for me, and two for them.

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From an Aus website:

Rumours in England..


Courts had a further 2 week gagging order on Stevie G's private life. Seems he got his wife's sister pregnant. Will hit the papers in 2 weeks as the judge held the gagging order over to protect the FA while they decide on Capello's future. All the squad knew about this and John Terry's argument with Capello was about why Gerrard was allowed to keep the captain's armband. Seems the tension in the camp was down to Terry and half the squad saying Gerrard was a disgrace and the other half backing Gerrard. The press conference that Terry had was to expose Gerrard but he wasn't allowed. They apparently hate each other.

And in other news..............

A good source says this will hit the papers in the next couple of days.

Rooney got caught with a prositute that is why he's head was #@%!$ up. The papers agreed to allow him to get home before going to print.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
LOL. Good on ya lads - priority #1: Get ya end off.

Fuck this stupid game

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Word is the sister Stevie G knocked up was 16 and his Mrs has been caught shagging a Derby player AND now there's rumours that the youngest Gerrard kid is actually a local bouncers who was supplying Columbian marching powder for "favours".Allegedlly

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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Let me get this strait Steven....TopLeft072010-07-01 16:15:08

Fuck this stupid game

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Utter farken shambles. Sack the lot of them and start over again.
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Hard News wrote:
From an Aus website:
Rumours in England..


Courts had a further 2 week gagging order on Stevie G's private life.
Seems he got his wife's sister pregnant. Will hit the papers in 2 weeks
as the judge held the gagging order over to protect the FA while they
decide on Capello's future. All the squad knew about this and John
Terry's argument with Capello was about why Gerrard was allowed to keep
the captain's armband. Seems the tension in the camp was down to Terry
and half the squad saying Gerrard was a disgrace and the other half
backing Gerrard. The press conference that Terry had was to expose
Gerrard but he wasn't allowed. They apparently hate each other.

And in other news..............

A good source says this will hit the papers in the next couple of days.

Rooney got caught with a prositute that is why he's head was #@%!$ up.
The papers agreed to allow him to get home before going to print.



Oh well, at least we now know (allegedly) the 'sometimes' young Wayne was referring to when asked if he was enjoyinghimself in SA by a reporter
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Saw this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/fifa-world-cup/3887823/World-Cup-teams-compared-to-wine
 
The comparison is with a Bordeaux for England, but I'd go for Pinot Noir myself:
 
Highly structured
Temperamental
Capable of brilliance but needs a lot of development
Always is aged, and always has the legs.
Quite often poorly made and prone to disappointment: Complex and capable of depth but shortly after opening will collapse and have a poor finish.
 
Can leave a bitter aftertaste.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Rooney was crushed by the expectation sez Ferguson



Sir Alex Ferguson believes Wayne Rooney's poor performance at the World Cup was principally down to the weight of expectation on the striker. The 24-year-old failed to score in four matches for England, who were eliminated in the second round after a heavy defeat by Germany.

Rooney had been widely expected to demonstrate the form for England which brought him 34 goals for Manchester United this season but never looked at his best. Ferguson has denied that Rooney was hampered by an ankle injury suffered during the run-in with United but has admitted that pressure played a part.

"There was such expectation," United's manager said. "There was talk that he was going to be the player of the tournament. Don't forget, that was the prelude to the whole thing. He was going to be the star, he was going to outshine them all: [Lionel] Messi, [Cristiano] Ronaldo. So that level of expectation comes into it. And he's not got great experience of the World Cup really. You wait, though. In four years' time you will see a different player."

Ferguson was so concerned about Rooney's state of mind after England's dismal goalless draw with Algeria that he broke off from a holiday in France to call his player. He encouraged the striker not to be affected by a "debilitating" atmosphere in the squad and to relax. Rooney had reacted to the booing that greeted England's performance against Algeria by criticising the fans, though he swiftly apologised.

Ferguson believes the troubles afflicting Rooney were a problem for the other members of Fabio Capello's team, who reached the tournament with nine wins from 10 qualifiers. "I watched England's games and I was baffled by what I saw, too, but I wasn't totally surprised," he told SunTalk Radio. "There are a lot of factors � the burden of expectation, the fact they have been away a long time and the hard English season.

"They had an easy passage to South Africa. They qualified from a group which you'd have to say was a million to one that they wouldn't qualify ... Maybe it would have been better if England had been in a tougher group. Their build-up was huge. I feel for them because it was a burden."

Ferguson said Germany had an edge over England because of the Bundesliga's winter break and the country's tradition of success in international tournments.

"The history they've got is quite incredible," he said. "That organised mentality they have, the belief in themselves, it carries them a long way. None of the English team have any experience of playing in a semi-final at a World Cup. The German mentality is 'we are always in the semi-finals'.

"Plus the fact they get a month's rest in January, it must help. All the England team are playing in [the Premier League] so they're all affected."

Ferguson is tipping Holland to win the World Cup. "They haven't played at their best yet and are in the semi-finals."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/06/wayne-rooney-world-cup-expectation


Yes and nothing to do with you playing him injured Ferguson?


I like the bit how it is reported he broke off from his holiday to make the call. What was Ferguson scaling the northside of Mount Blanc or something? Sorry but you can still make phonecalls when you're on holiday you know, you don't have to cancel the holiday. FFS




ForteanTimes2010-07-06 18:10:33

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http://tvnz.co.nz/2010-fifa-world-cup-news/rooney-wins-ugly-world-cup-poll-3635753

least he helped them win something
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some new names in squad for friendly v France


Ben Foster, Robert Green, Joe Hart; Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Kieran Gibbs, Phil Jagielka, Joleon Lescott, Micah Richards, Chris Smalling, John Terry; Gareth Barry, Steven Gerrard, Jordan Henderson, Adam Johnson, James Milner, Theo Walcott, Jack Wilshere, Ashley Young; Gabriel Agbonlahor, Jay Bothroyd, Andrew Carroll, Peter Crouch
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Smalling

Bothroyd

Capello

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jay f**king Bothroyd...
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Kwalitee.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
isnt gibbs injured?
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they picked the wrong jay also, shudve got jay emanuel thomas
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
More importantly, what's Kevin Nolan doing whilst Andy Carroll's out playing with his new England friends?! Does he have to stay in Andy's room and watch TV all week?!
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Robbie Savage offers his criticism of Rio Ferdinand during the England-France game via twitter.

@rioferdy5 Capello must of thought the same as me pal !! Lol you had one!!
5 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 on no !! Taken off at half time !! Lol chin up pal hope you're not injured !!
7 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 poor first half pal !! 2/10 couple of good blocks ,should of made a tackle for goal ANd need to go back to school throw INS!!
22 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 40"02 good tackle
28 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 37"45 now you can't even take a throw in two hands behind head behind line !!! Learnt that at school
29 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 35"34 now your just smashing it to no one !! Come on
32 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 if you get any deeper pal you'll be in the car park ! Push out
36 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 30"37 good play
37 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 27"01you and lescott are like the chuckle brothers to me to you to me to you
40 minutes ago via Echofon
iwanwroberts Bet Gareth bale's glad he's welsh!!!
43 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Retweeted by RobbieSavage8 and 100+ others
@rioferdy5 23"11 good block
45 minutes ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 22"22 run 40 yards forward pass 50 yards back !! Wow
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 20 mins England need a captains performance tonight give the armband to gerrard pal
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 18,08 good block
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 benzema 1-0 come on rio make a tackle !! You're having one son
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 10"24 maluda goes past you with ease take off your lead boots son
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 8"08 close the ball down son !!!
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 4,11 pass to a French player rubbish pal you're in white
about 1 hour ago via Echofon
@rioferdy5 mate you were mimeing that
about 1 hour ago via Echofon

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
reasonable performance overnight, particularly 1st half

as the commentators said good movement off the ball

I also noted a willingness to vary the passing length and tempo
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just love the thread title.

I know, I know, its serious!

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
true, might re-punctuate that (pre-world cup hype or in-cup sleep deprivation are my only - pathetic - excuses )
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So much lol

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As good a thread as any I guess...
 
 
Poll for the Great Britain side at next year's Olympics... voters picked this starting side (underlined = over 23);
 
                    Hart
Walker-Smalling-Ferdinand-Bale
   Ramsey-Rodwell-Wilshere
    Walcott-Carroll-Rooney
 
Bench: McGregor, Gibbs, Jones, Giggs, Gerrard, Sturridge, Wickham
 
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Only 3 players over 23 are allowed.
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el grapadura wrote:
Only 3 players over 23 are allowed.
 
article was haphazard at best... said in the blurb that beckham was only 'good enough for the bench' but then he wasn't even listed..........
 
it also claimed that the rule is only 3 over-23 players allowed on the pitch at once, but given the dubious nature of the article i don't trust that......!
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I see - they did get it wrong, you can have a maximum of 3 over-age players in the squad, nothing to do with who's on the pitch or not.
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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
still, football will almost certainly be the highlight of the Olympics

regardless of it's under 23 nature
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