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It's Friday. Lets play 'You are the ref'

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1. Yellow card the manager, he should not be outside his technical area. It sounds as though the player deliberately ran out, so let play continue. However, at the next break in play, yellow card the manager, he should not be outside his technical area.

2. The ball has been kicked, therefore it is live. The defence should have played to the whistle, so the goal stands.

3. The penalty must be taken from the penalty spot. The question does not make it clear if the ball left the penalty spot or not. If it did, the kick must be retaken , if it stayed on the spot, then the goal stands.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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zonknz wrote:



1. Player: "All through match the manager was breaking my balls. He called me a f*****g @rsenal b*****d, which is actually quite true but made me upset."

3. If that gaffer in the picture isn't meant to be a certain French person in charge of a 5-year-trophy-less EPL team which isn't going to win the quadruple this season either, then I'm a f*****g Akld b******d.
Junior822011-04-01 22:16:06

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Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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Junior82 wrote:
3. If that gaffer in the picture isn't meant to be a certain French person in charge of a 5-year-trophy-less EPL team which isn't going to win the quadruple this season either, then I'm a f*****g Akld b******d.
The cartoon is called, "156. Arsene Wenger"
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Here is an example of number two.

Croatian combo Mladen Petric and Ivan Rakitic really did some cool stuff at Basel...Petric sells it really well here, and Rakitic finishes beautifully.el grapadura2011-04-02 19:37:09
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And here is an example when the goal was incorrectly disallowed.

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Number 2 states that the ball hasn't actually left the quadrant, so surely the corner should be retaken. Had the ball left the quadrant from the first players touch it would be play on. In any case the defenders should have played to the whistle, not to the assistants flag
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20 legend wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
3. If that gaffer in the picture isn't meant to be a certain French person in charge of a 5-year-trophy-less EPL team which isn't going to win the quadruple this season either, then I'm a f*****g Akld b******d.
The cartoon is called, "156. Arsene Wenger"
 
So what's with that?  I went to the website and each week there is a different personality featured which has nothing to do with the actual content of the strip.  Or are there situations in which the personality has featured in the last few weeks?
 
(Didn't seem to be the case for Sian Massey)
 

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I assume its not meant to mean anything, just the cartoonist gets to do a caricature of a real person
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Smeltz4PM wrote:
Number 2 states that the ball hasn't actually left the quadrant, so surely the corner should be retaken. Had the ball left the quadrant from the first players touch it would be play on. In any case the defenders should have played to the whistle, not to the assistants flag


The ball doesn't have to leave the quadrant, just has to be touched by a player.
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el grapadura wrote:
Smeltz4PM wrote:
Number 2 states that the ball hasn't actually left the quadrant, so surely the corner should be retaken. Had the ball left the quadrant from the first players touch it would be play on. In any case the defenders should have played to the whistle, not to the assistants flag


The ball doesn't have to leave the quadrant, just has to be touched by a player.
 
^ This. Ball is in play once it has been touched.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Here we go!


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1) Red Card the handballing diving scum bag. Join the manager for a 'relaxing thai massage'.

2) Yellow Card the player, ask for the towel, note in match report.

3) Should have taken that massege, eh? Yellow Card defender & for the taker, penalty stands.


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1) Technically, it's two yellows=red for the forward. The goal doesn't stand, re-start with a free kick for the handball.

2) Depending on the nature of the verbal outburst, yellow/red card the defender and re-start with the throw-in.

3) Depending on the nature of the defender's verbal outburst, yellow/red card him, red card for the penalty taker, then re-start with the original penalty.
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1. No goal. Direct free kick to defending team. Yellow card for the diving handballer.

2. Red card the player
 
3. Send both players off, defender for using offensive/abusive language and attacker for violent conduct. Then allow the kick to be taken

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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el grapadura wrote:
1) Technically, it's two yellows=red for the forward. The goal doesn't stand, re-start with a free kick for the handball.

2) Depending on the nature of the verbal outburst, yellow/red card the defender and re-start with the throw-in.

3) Depending on the nature of the defender's verbal outburst, yellow/red card him, red card for the penalty taker, then re-start with the original penalty.
 
 
In no. 1, as they were so close together, I'd go for the punish the more serious offence option, which is yellow card and DFK. Be interesting to see Mr Hackett's interpretation

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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For 1, you wouldn't give him two yellows for two yellow card offences?
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el grapadura wrote:
For 1, you wouldn't give him two yellows for two yellow card offences?
 
I wouldn't personally. I hadn't blown for the 'dive' and the handball is a more serious offence, so I'd punish that. Just my opinion tho. I'm quite happy to be wrong 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Hard News wrote:
You must get immune to it after a while don't you Jag?
 
What? Being proved wrong?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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1) Allow goal to stand.

2) Tell ballboy to grow up. Apologize to player for delay.

3) Drop ball.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Don't think you're wrong, was just interested in your opinion.

That's why I said technically, and was going to add in something about common sense and discretion but decided not to.
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Buffon II wrote:
1) Allow goal to stand.

2) Tell ballboy to grow up. Apologize to player for delay.

3) Drop ball.
 
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smeltz4PM wrote:
Number 2 states that the ball hasn't actually left the quadrant, so surely the corner should be retaken. Had the ball left the quadrant from the first players touch it would be play on. In any case the defenders should have played to the whistle, not to the assistants flag
The ball doesn't have to leave the quadrant, just has to be touched by a player.


^ This. Ball is in play once it has been touched.

It doesn't just have to be touched, I am sure that the ball has to have one revolution. Hence you don't see any free kicks like this anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjq2xT-tx38
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Bullion wrote:
Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smeltz4PM wrote:
Number 2 states that the ball hasn't actually left the quadrant, so surely the corner should be retaken. Had the ball left the quadrant from the first players touch it would be play on. In any case the defenders should have played to the whistle, not to the assistants flag
The ball doesn't have to leave the quadrant, just has to be touched by a player.


^ This. Ball is in play once it has been touched.

It doesn't just have to be touched, I am sure that the ball has to have one revolution. Hence you don't see any free kicks like this anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjq2xT-tx38


No, the reason we don't see this anymore is because touching the ball with both feet in this situation technically constitutes two touches, which is illegal.

Nothing to do with revolution of the ball.
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What EG said.

I repeat, the ball is played when it is touched. I could start quoting the LOTG, but I really can't be bothered.
Jag2011-04-10 15:26:15

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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1. Yellow card the striker for diving, and then yellow card them again for the hand-ball. Send them from the pitch, and a free kick is to be taken from where they dived.

2. Yellow card the player, warn the ball-boy, note in match report.

3. Yellow card to both players involved, and allow penalty to be taken.


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I'm pretty sure something similar to #1 has come up in this column before (I think it was one of the first ones) - "player commits yellow card offence, ref plays advantage & plans to give card at next stoppage, player commits another yellow card offence before next stoppage"
 
Too bad I can't remember what Hackett's (if it was him back then) answer was.
 
There was a bit of debate about whether it was unfair that the player hadn't known he was on a yellow before the 2nd offence, as it may have altered his actions.
 
wolfman2011-04-11 15:30:41


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Here's one for the ref's among you, which happened in a recent big match here.
 
A long clearance from a corner put a striker through on goal, with one defender chasing. The defender clipped him from behind, a couple of metres from the box (no linesman's flag). However, the striker kept his feet, continued into the area, and had his shot blocked by the keeper. The defender had followed him, and clearly as a handful of shirt as he pulls the striker down as the shot is taken. 
 
The ref awarded a free-kick where the first offence took place, and booked the defender. Did he get it right? 


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So we are talking about two separate fouls?
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I think you'll find that Mr Hackett agreed with a certain handsome Scottish referee (not the ginger one) and stated that a yellow card was the punishment for No. 1. He also says that the free kick should be indirect, which I disagree with, as the handball was the more 'serious' offence, but I can't win everything 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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wolfman wrote:
Here's one for the ref's among you, which happened in a recent big match here.
 
A long clearance from a corner put a striker through on goal, with one defender chasing. The defender clipped him from behind, a couple of metres from the box (no linesman's flag). However, the striker kept his feet, continued into the area, and had his shot blocked by the keeper. The defender had followed him, and clearly as a handful of shirt as he pulls the striker down as the shot is taken. 
 
The ref awarded a free-kick where the first offence took place, and booked the defender. Did he get it right? 
 
As it's described there? Possibly not.
Jag2011-04-11 15:47:22

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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el grapadura wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smeltz4PM wrote:
Number 2 states that the ball hasn't actually left the quadrant, so surely the corner should be retaken. Had the ball left the quadrant from the first players touch it would be play on. In any case the defenders should have played to the whistle, not to the assistants flag
The ball doesn't have to leave the quadrant, just has to be touched by a player.


^ This. Ball is in play once it has been touched.

It doesn't just have to be touched, I am sure that the ball has to have one revolution. Hence you don't see any free kicks like this anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjq2xT-tx38


No, the reason we don't see this anymore is because touching the ball with both feet in this situation technically constitutes two touches, which is illegal.

Nothing to do with revolution of the ball.

Good to know, seems that the one revolution rule is quite antiquated.
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Number two is actually a two match ban. 20 legend2011-04-13 15:28:28
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1) disallow the goal, send the kitman back to the sheds for unsporting behaviour
2) play on, I didn't see anyhting.
3) red card for the defender, award penalty.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Number 2 is really not clear what you did or didn't see. Certainly the linesman didn't, and if you did why haven't you blown up already?
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zonknz wrote:
Number 2 is really not clear what you did or didn't see. Certainly the linesman didn't, and if you did why haven't you blown up already?

What's the rule on the ball striking a non player/ref - like a dog or a streaker, surely same rule applies for this.
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Number 2: Yellow card the sub for not warming up in the designated area. Then a drop ball. ?



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that works.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Bullion wrote:
zonknz wrote:
Number 2 is really not clear what you did or didn't see. Certainly the linesman didn't, and if you did why haven't you blown up already?

What's the rule on the ball striking a non player/ref - like a dog or a streaker, surely same rule applies for this.


Ref is part of the game, the substitute isn't.
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