Vuvuzelas - one stop shop for whining.

Decent argument there. If they do ban them i won't complain but it would be a bit of a shame. It's their thing so why not just let them go for it. They won't ever get a World Cup again so let them make the most of it.

Who knows it may take off. Look what happen to the mexican wave when that first started.

South Africa ponders vuvuzela ban after complaints

The vuvuzela has already made a big impact at the World Cup

South Africa's World Cup organising chief Danny Jordaan may ban vuvuzelas from inside stadiums after complaints from broadcasters and supporters.
The constant sound of the high-pitched horn-like instrument has so far drowned out much of the atmosphere-generating singing usually associated with games.
And Jordaan, when asked if he would get rid of them, told BBC Sport: "If there are grounds to do so, yes.
"We did say that if any land on the pitch in anger we will take action."
France captain Patrice Evra has already blamed the noise generated by the vuvuzelas, which has been likened to the drone of thousands of bees, for his side's poor showing in their opening group game against Uruguay, which finished goalless.

He said: "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6am.
"We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them."
Jordaan conceded that while the noise was irritating for some people, they were doing all they could to minimise the impact.
"We've tried to get some order," he continued. "We have asked for no vuvuzelas during national anthems or stadium announcements. It's difficult but we're trying to manage the best we can.
     
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I'm all for them - let South Africa host the tournament in their own inimitable style
BBC Sport's Peter Scrivener
"We've had some broadcasters and individuals [complaining] and it's something we are evaluating on an on-going basis."
Jordaan admitted he was not a huge fan of them himself. "I would prefer singing," he said.
"It's always been a great generator of a wonderful atmosphere in stadiums and I would try to encourage them to sing.
"In the days of the struggle (against apartheid) we were singing, all through our history it's our ability to sing that inspired and drove the emotions."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8737455.stmEverton FC2010-06-13 21:58:28

Will they start be minimised during knockout games as fans of countries take up a higher percentage of the stadium rather than just the locals? Or have I misjudged how many travelling fans their are?

Going by Everton's quote from Danny Jordaan above, am I to understand that if some overenthusiastic fans were to heave down a few vuvuzelas during a game that the vuvuzela would consequently be declared a threat to player safety and banned?

I expect to see them on the pitch for the New Zealand game!

They definetly werent as loud in the USA v England game. USA have a lot of fans over there,and id imagine the english fans wouldn't have participated in the racket

In todays NZ Herald

am i the only one who doesnt really mind them? i just zone them out and focus on the football

This. It's become like blinking for me. You only notice it if you think about it or concentrate on it.

I'm getting used to them - although would find actual crowd noise somewhat refreshing.

Remember though folks there'll be quite a few brought back as souvenirs, so we could hear them in all their glory at the RoF. Now that's going to be interesting!

Edit: Just read the back pages. Point of discussion already. Will still be interesting.Turfmoore2010-06-14 14:29:39

Yeah it would be kind nice to actually hear people cheer.

Yeah ive drowned them out. But do miss the european or south american crowd atmospheres that it also drowns out.

I'm the same as others here. I'm used to them and have sort of blocked them out, but I miss the roar of the crowd when someone scores.

Yeah well, to be honest, it's not about them is it?

as usual your views are idiotic for someone who supposedly loves football. without us newcomers helping make that impressively large gate take along the NIX might not have got their extension. You shd be wanting people new to the sport to keep up their interest in football as it can only help the sport keep growing here in NZ. people who have never previously followed the sport before tended to most rave about the atmosphere at NIX games including the chants and general crowd fun.

being negative about them and having them decide football isnt as much fun as they thought (because they hate the constant fly drone) is not going to help football keeps its current hold in NZ. You just have to look at how many pubs are showing all the games and open all night through to see how diff things are frm previous world cups and we shd all embrace the attitude of keeping people's interest up
stealthkiwi2010-06-14 19:10:10

Um.

I'm not saying FIFA shd ban them to make the atmosphere better for newbs. I'm saying I'm sick of Buffy being negative about the fact many of us don't like them. We have a right to bitch and this is the place originally started to do so and all he has done is put people down. if he doesn't like the anti-vuvuzela brigade venting he shd stay out of the thread (and many have already said that here but yet he stays to moan at the moaners) and yeah he shdn't want to lose newcomers enthusiasm even if nothing will be done about this particular issue

Those dreaded instruments are cranking out 128 decibels which is louder then a rock concert, jet engine etc.  For those of you actually heading to the games, I really hope you take ear plugs for your own health.

IIRC Bob Dylan's album "Shot of Love" is all in Bb
he's also partial to the odd drone
could claim cool  cross-cultural  collaboration coming

Agree completely. I do hate the attitude that if you haven't supported X for Y number of years your not a 'real' fan and deserve to be treated with disdain. It drives away a hell of a lot of potential fans. (I also have no time for fairweather supporters who drift in and out depending on success, or who swap teams dependant on success.)

Tell me then with complete conviction you two, that the 2010 World Cup in South Africa is about new fans in New Zealand. Because that is all i was dismissing. Thanks for taking it out of context though and making me out to be this evil uberfan who likes to sh*t on all those who haven't supported the national team for as long as i have.

Sorry, wasn't agreeing with the 'Buffy is an idiot part'. Agreeing with the sense that a new fan seems to be someone to sneer at. I also disagree on the Vuvuzuelas thing, but thats been done to death, i'm not gonna bother anymore, going to try and forget they exist.

I wasn't making you out to be the above. I was making you out to having been "constantly" negative about the people anti something in the thread originally started where they can come and be anti about it. I think you forget that many of these new fans actually come to YF/white noise at times like this to learn more and become part of a community not to feel like they'll get their heads bitten off if they express an opinion

All my workmates today had caught some football over the weekend. only two of us have ever been to a phoenix game and a cpl occasionally watch EPL. the rest are total football virgins. all agreed that the vuvezela noise was awful and most said it put them off. I don't like it myself and I wish they had been banned but I'm also realistic its too late now and part of the hosting countries atmosphere. personally I doubt most sth africans realized prior to this week just how much of the rest of the world loathes them

I have no idea why you care about my opinion Buffy as neither of us likes the other and we constantly disagree. I personally cd care less about making you see the light but spoke up simply so possible newcomers reading this thread see that not everyone on here thinks people shd put up or shut up

Fair enough then, i can see where you are coming from. I'll happily retract my statement if you issue an apology as to questioning my love of football and calling my views idiotic.

You see, this is what sleep deprivation does to you all.

This WC is doing strange things because on this thread I am actually in pretty much full agreement with my young Gooner chum from Birko.

The angst against the vuvuzela is rather pointless.

I think you just melted my heart.

Oh sh!t. I guess it's too late to take that back now?

You can if you want. It was the Birko part that put a smile on my face.

speak for yourself - lol my problem is being home in time for the 1.45am games on thur, fri & sats lol. I'm not even attempting to see the 6.45am games as I don't function in the mornings but I'm usually wide awake at 2am anyway

For what it's worth (nowt actually) I missed this morning's game as i was on a plane, but the constant drone of the engine reminded me of the vuvuzelas.

Didn't mind the engine noise so much after that.

yeah I just happily watched 2.5hrs of NHRA (top fuel drag racing) tonight & I did see the irony in that I love a top fuel engine revving down the track but hate the flies buzzing the poo at the footy 

buzzing the poo?

That must be one big dump. (I thought Cosimo was back here in NZ)

But you took what he said completely out of context,so any point you made was completely unfair.

The funny thing is, that in one of the online petitions during the Confederation Cup to get rid of them, there were more South Africans that was protesting and signing than the people outside of South Africa. Their comments was the same as everyone else around the world.

My thoughts are that the poorer South Africans were given free Vuvuzelas and have very little idea of the effect that it has to everyone else on TV, players, etc. For them, they may have never really experience the way the crowds from the rest of the world enjoyed their football experience. As well as the fact that not many of them have access to the internet or to the international media.

Although it seems to be their way of enjoying it, it is more than likely that they have not enjoyed the way we have enjoyed it because of the lack of experienced it our way. I think that if they had taste the singing and the drum beats, chants and cheers, they would understand the emotional attachment of the crowd to their team by ebbs and flows of cohesive crowd support. Then they would understand that a Vuvuzelas does not really reflect supporting their team emotionally as a crowd unit but an individual support and expression by a mono-toned noise but never a cohesive human expression as a whole group.

I think that by the knockout stages where the crowds of the other countries have gained their tickets, they would be a bit less Vuvuzelas involved and some South Africans will get a different vibe.

I also find them annoying and am getting used to them.... Moose2010-06-15 01:20:24

I think it's fair for them to be around when South Africa plays, but if a Englishman came to the rof for the Phoenix vs GCU and spent the whole time singing Rule Britannia I imagine it wouldn't take us long to tell him to shut up. (yes, I am going to ignore the difference between our home and a game in another country)
In making quite a ridiculous comparison of completely different situations, the South Africans can stick their vuvuzela's up their arse's when their team is not playing.