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Cameron Howieson (Auckland FC | A-League)

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Cameron Howieson (Burnley)

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Liverpool are eyeing Kiwi kid Cameron Howieson.

The Daily Mail says Liverpool and Newcastle United are interested in Burnley's highly-rated forward Cameron Howieson, 17.

Howieson is a New Zealand U19 international and has impressed in the Clarets' FA Youth Cup run.

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Probably should be in the Young Kiwis in the UK section, but I'll throw a little Burnley view in.

Howieson is by no means the star of the Burnley youth team, which has 2 or 3 very promising players indeed (quite neat when a few genuine prospects come through at the same time). However, he has done well, getting regular time in a good (for us) youth team, and has also had a couple of runs in the reserves. What's more, he scored a couple in a youth cup quarter final and that has made the scouts sit up and take notice. Good on him, he's doing well.

Here's the view from Burnley fan site Clarets Made (Clarets Mad link).

And he should savour the matches with B****** Rovers. There'll be several thousand travelling clarets (almost as far as the Hutt!) there.

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Report on the FA Youth Cup semi-final first leg loss he played in:
 
With an attendance of over 10,000, the atmosphere was electric. The verbal jousting between the opposing sets of fans was amusing and provided a captivating soundtrack.

For a while, the young stars, unaccustomed to entertaining in such a raucous backdrop, seemed a little overwhelmed. Both sides looked rattled...
...neat interplay between Burnley�s Cameron Howieson and Shay McCartan, saw the latter clear on goal, but he lost his footing, ballooning the ball wildly over the bar.
 
Report on his two goals in quarterfinal of FA Youth Cup v Fulham:
 
Mentions he has concussion from previous game but hopes to be okay for second leg of FA Youth Cup semi-final against Blackburn.
Second leg Thursday morning NZ time. Live text updates here:

 
Report yesterday in Lancashire Telegraph newspaper says club are moving quickly to get him on a full professional contract since he's only on a youth one, to prevent him being snatched by Liverpool or Newcastle who are showing interest:

Big Pete 652012-03-27 15:41:15

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Wicked.Good on ya Kiwi

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Wouldn't it be ratsh*t if he decided to change sides and play for Scotland.
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Even if he did, would be at youth level for Scotland and could always do a Rory Fallon later on
- still, better if he sticks with NZ all the way...
 
Cameron played the full game as Burnley went down in second leg of FA Youth Cup semi 2-1 to Blackburn:
But they remain in contention for two other youth titles, the Youth Alliance and the Lancashire FA Youth Cup.
The two semi-final losses to Blackburn mark their first losses after a remarkable 18 game winning streak, including wins over the Academies of Fulham, West Brom and Ipswich.

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Lindsay and Howieson future of All Whites Midfield.

Camerons unite!


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Very promising signs indeed: 17 years and a full pro!
Wayne Rooney also signed his first pro contract aged 17. Is not common.
 
By contrast, Ryan Nelsen had a much more gradual career progression: amateur club football in Christchurch with Christchurch United (handful of games with Christchurch City in the summer national league) until aged 19 when he left for college soccer in the States.
Ryan only turned pro aged 23 when he signed for DC United in Major League Soccer. 
 
 
RISING STAR HOWIESON COMPARED TO RYAN NELSEN

Christchurch football scout Graham McMann believes new Burnley recruit Cameron Howieson has the potential to be "as good and as big as Ryan Nelsen".

McMann � a former under-16 squad coach at Burnley � had no hesitation recommending the 17-year-old to his old club after following Howieson's progress since his days as a junior at Otago club Mosgiel.

"I went down to watch him at the under-14 South Island tournament in Timaru and recommended him to the [Asia Pacific Football] academy," McMann said.

After watching Howieson's progress at APFA where McMann formerly worked as a scout, he got in touch with his contacts at Burnley and said he believed he'd found "someone special".

McMann remembers being asked: "Are you, positive, Graham ... a New Zealander? We don't take rugby players, you know?"

But the club agreed to give Howieson a trial so McMann took him to Turf Moor last April for a week's trial.

He said the teenager made an instant impression on the club's coaching staff. "They asked me if we have any more Cameron Howiesons in New Zealand," McMann said.

Howieson was offered a two-year scholarship after scoring two goals in a trial game at Carlisle, catching the eye of Burnley's former director of youth development, ex-Burnley, Everton and England midfielder Martin Dobson.

"After the trial at Carlisle, Martin Dobson said to me, `he's an absolute gem'," McMann said. "He said Cam reminded him of himself [as a young player]. That really means something coming from a former England midfielder."

McMann, who has friends on the coaching staff at Burnley, said reports of Howieson's performances for the youth team and reserves, showed he was "getting better and better".

He said it was "very unusual for a lad in his first season at an English club to get a 2 1/2 year pro deal".

"That shows how highly they rate Cam."

Big Pete 652012-03-30 14:58:02

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Was on the bench last night but did not make it on to the pitch.
 
Great to see another KIWI making the step up into professional ranks.
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abris wrote:
He was wearing number 32 and Burnley had a 5-1 away win
 
How many of us here find it annoying that the Nix keep signing young Aussie castoffs neglicting young kiwis who get picked up by better quality foreign clubs.  The Nix could have made a killing by now if they had picked up Wood and offered better contracts to Rojas and Kosta.
 
Rant over... happy he was on the bench, hopefully he will get loaned out to a League 1/2/Conference side to build up his confidence and gain all important match exposure.
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disco_mart wrote:
abris wrote:
He was wearing number 32 and Burnley had a 5-1 away win
 
How many of us here find it annoying that the Nix keep signing young Aussie castoffs neglicting young kiwis who get picked up by better quality foreign clubs.  The Nix could have made a killing by now if they had picked up Wood and offered better contracts to Rojas and Kosta.
 
Rant over... happy he was on the bench, hopefully he will get loaned out to a League 1/2/Conference side to build up his confidence and gain all important match exposure.
They get picked up, because they are young and free. The Academy system in the UK casts a wide net, hoping to catch one or two good players. If they have to pay for someone, they will be less willing to take the chance.
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[/QUOTE]They get picked up, because they are young and free. The Academy system in the UK casts a wide net, hoping to catch one or two good players. If they have to pay for someone, they will be less willing to take the chance.
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Its hardly free... the pay for them to fly home twice a year, house them, school them and train them as well.
 
Why the nix keeps on signing players like Griffiths, Nikolas etc is beyond me as none of them have delivered anything of value. I would much rather had seen Musa signed on for another year that a "unwanted" Australian who wasn't picked up by any other clubs when his contract ended.
 
All the kiwi youth players picked up so far have enjoyed some success, except Spoonley. That includes Draper who is doing well in Wales ( a small league, but surely a stepping stone if he keeps scoring) and Musa, who bar for a change in manager at the wrong time would be at Bradford now.
 
How Ricki picks a player as bad as Nikolas over Hogg is just plain crazy!!
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TouchMe wrote:
[/QUOTE]They get picked up, because they are young and free. The Academy system in the UK casts a wide net, hoping to catch one or two good players. If they have to pay for someone, they will be less willing to take the chance.
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Why the nix keeps on signing players like Griffiths, Nikolas etc is beyond me as none of them have delivered anything of value. I would much rather had seen Musa signed on for another year that a "unwanted" Australian who wasn't picked up by any other clubs when his contract ended.
 
All the kiwi youth players picked up so far have enjoyed some success, except Spoonley. That includes Draper who is doing well in Wales ( a small league, but surely a stepping stone if he keeps scoring) and Musa, who bar for a change in manager at the wrong time would be at Bradford now.
 
 
This re; Musa X10.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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I've seen Musa in the ASB Premiership this season and he needs some work before he's an A-League quality back-up Centre-Back.  Agree re: Griffiths but I'm yet to be convinced Musa is the solution.
 
I'm not even certain Musa is Team Wellington's first choice over Eager and Johnny Raj.
 
Also, as for signing Youngsters.  Why sign a 16yo Howieson who would get no game time for years with no youth system?  Once we have a Reserve/Academy system as we're promised, then this might become viable.
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Although is it better to have an Aussie on the bench IE griffiths or a Young kiwi? Surely there are other Kiwis who could pick up a contract base don their talent? Louis Fenton? Dakota Lucas? I've only really watched TW so can't speak for other teams
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Tyler wrote:
Although is it better to have an Aussie on the bench IE griffiths or a Young kiwi? Surely there are other Kiwis who could pick up a contract base don their talent? Louis Fenton? Dakota Lucas? I've only really watched TW so can't speak for other teams


The only young player whose got any semi-regular time this year has been Pav, so I would rather have seen a young kiwi in that role, getting experience and all. But if they are never getting game time then I'd rather it was an Aussie, because I want to see young kiwis playing. In the case of TW those guys get a chance to train with the Phoenix anyway so they aren't even really missing out on much in the way of professional coaching, and they are getting game time as well.

Does anyone know the rules about NZFC loans - can pro players be loaned to them? just thinking that might be a way to develop one or two young kiwi players while having them contracted if we can't sort a reserve/youth squad

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disco_mart wrote:
abris wrote:
He was wearing number 32 and Burnley had a 5-1 away win
 
How many of us here find it annoying that the Nix keep signing young Aussie castoffs neglicting young kiwis who get picked up by better quality foreign clubs.  The Nix could have made a killing by now if they had picked up Wood and offered better contracts to Rojas and Kosta.
 
Rant over... happy he was on the bench, hopefully he will get loaned out to a League 1/2/Conference side to build up his confidence and gain all important match exposure.
They get picked up, because they are young and free. The Academy system in the UK casts a wide net, hoping to catch one or two good players. If they have to pay for someone, they will be less willing to take the chance.
 
Howieson went to Burnley because he was recommended by a Burnley scout living in Christchurch and also because he'd spent a year at NZ's top private football academy, the Asia Pacific Football Academy, here in Christchurch.
"The Academy system in the UK casts a wide net" is certainly true when you consider the Asia Pacific Academy is affiliated with Chelsea (they supervise the coaching and send their own people out every year to scout players).
 
 
Asia Pacific Football Academy is a football (soccer) school, operating in association with Chelsea Football Club, which focuses on the individual development of young players from various countries. The Academy looks to maximise each player's potential and increase their exposure in the football world. Players attending the Academy can choose from a range of intensive short-term programs (see Camps/Programs) or the unique full-time residential football academy that combines daily training with a full high school program.
 
Asia Pacific Football Academy now has a clear track record in developing elite football players. In 2011 alone 5 APFA Scholars have represented their country at the FIFA U17 World Cup in Mexico and 8 Players have graduated from APFA's full-time program to play football at professional clubs or to move into overseas football development programs, including soccer scholarships at US Universities. 8 of APFA's 2011 Scholarship Players are playing at the highest domestic football level, in the New Zealand ASB Premiership and ASB Youth League and you can check their progress on our Facebook Page.

 

Also see:

 
ACADEMY FOSTERS TOMORROW'S STARS
Tony Smith, The Press 10/12/11
 
 ...Most students are on full scholarships � they do not pay a cent. Yet they get the best gear, expert coaching and video analysis, paid trips overseas for trials and extra school tuition if they need help to pass NCEA exams. The minority of part-time scholarships cover only homestay costs.
 ... there are "private investors". Chelsea has no financial involvement � that would scupper students' chances of an American college scholarship due to strict amateurism rules. But the former European Champions League winners have helped supply kit and equipment and sent a coach out to Lincoln and Smith says, "we've sent three boys to Chelsea this year".

Chelsea doesn't have first right of refusal on APFA players as such, but the academy undertakes to make the club aware of any talent with premier league potential.

Talk about an overnight success. APFA alumni have already gone on to bigger things. New Zealand under-17 international Cameron Howieson has signed for English professional club Burnley. Bill Tuiloma is training with Beckham's American Major League Soccer club LA Galaxy and Swiss champions FC Basel have snapped up Cantabrian Francis De Vries.

Diego Martinez, a Mexican who trained at APFA for almost a year, is now on loan from respected Spanish club Celta Vigo to lower division Rapido de Bouzas.

Christchurch's Hamish Murphy has appeared in a national junior college final in the United States for Monroe College...

American university coaches are beating a path to APFA's door. Brazilian first division club Figueirense sent two of its top under-17 players to train there and the Gold Coast Academy of Sport squad visited for matches against the APFA squad and Canterbury United's youth team.

...the academy's own amenities are jaw-droppingly impressive... Downstairs, is a players' lounge where students can relax between training sessions or watch football match re-runs on a big screen TV. Adjacent is a physiotherapy room area. Beyond, is a boot room modelled on Chelsea's and a commercial laundry where kit is washed and dried. Boys clean their own boots at a trough outside their dressing room.

APFA has two fully-fitted dressing rooms and room for two more. One of the spare rooms is used as a classroom for NCEA revision work or preparation for SAT tests for US colleges. Outside, are two full-sized pitches and a smaller training ground.
Upstairs at APFA, the coaches and management staff have their offices with the nerve centre a video analysis suite equipped with a Sports Code Elite system.
 
A visiting player from the Gold Coast Academy commented on that organisation's website that "what stood out [at APFA] was the professionalism, the incredible facilities and resources the academy has, and the pitch at ASB Football Park in Christchurch was amazing".
 
 United States-educated Brazilian Giovani Fernandes is now head coach, coming to Christchurch after eight years running a major football academy in Florida. Jess Ibrom, of Britain, is high-performance coach.
 
Fernandes' philosophy is geared around developing players capable of playing any position. "We take great pride in that." He calls it the "Barcelona model" a nod to the supremely skilled Spanish and European champions. .

Cameron Howieson, who's now at Burnley, was an attacking midfielder or central midfielder at the academy. He trialled at Tottenham Hotspur as a left wing and left back. Bill Tuiloma was a right back or centreback here, but played as a central striker for a LA Galaxy youth team which won the annual MLS Showcase tournament in the United States. Tuiloma has now spent several months at Galaxy and has trained with English superstar Beckham.

Closer to home, Calvin Opperman can play on both midfield flanks for Canterbury United.

Fellow Aucklander Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi is a natural central midfielder but operates on the left wing for the Canterbury youth team.

Shane Rufer, who played over 10 years in the Swiss first division, ...says APFA is "the best thing for developing footballers that's ever existed in this country".

 


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Tyler wrote:
Although is it better to have an Aussie on the bench IE griffiths or a Young kiwi? Surely there are other Kiwis who could pick up a contract base don their talent? Louis Fenton? Dakota Lucas? I've only really watched TW so can't speak for other teams
 
But apart from the few saddoes that follow central league football and the NYL who would have talked up Fenton prior to this season?
 
He wasn't even in the original Olympic squad until he started performing for Team Wellington. 
 
I heartily endore young kiwis ahead of Australian donkeys, but I'm not sure we have any U20 Centre Backs I've seen that are as good as Griffiths and with only 20 players that player may need to play at some point.  Now, Tsatallios, Pav, Ward, well that's a different story.

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Hard News wrote:
Tyler wrote:
Although is it better to have an Aussie on the bench IE griffiths or a Young kiwi? Surely there are other Kiwis who could pick up a contract base don their talent? Louis Fenton? Dakota Lucas? I've only really watched TW so can't speak for other teams
 
But apart from the few saddoes that follow central league football and the NYL who would have talked up Fenton prior to this season?
 
He wasn't even in the original Olympic squad until he started performing for Team Wellington. 
 
I heartily endore young kiwis ahead of Australian donkeys, but I'm not sure we have any U20 Centre Backs I've seen that are as good as Griffiths and with only 20 players that player may need to play at some point.  Now, Tsatallios, Pav, Ward, well that's a different story.
 
We were always going to have a small squad at the beginning of the season (under Terry), therefore the under 21`s had to be able to step up if required. Both Griffiths and Tats had prevoius A League experience so fitted the bill.
Lindsay only signed when the new owners took over.
IMO Griffiths is worth another year
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We seem to have got off topic
 
I thought Howieson was a best a hard working bit player at the Under 17 world cup
 
But obviously his work ethic and face has fitted in well at Burnley. Along with a good run in the Puma Alliance League ( second level to the 50 club Premier Academy League) and FA Youth Cup has helped his profile.
Very much at the right place at the right time.
 
But I don`t see him racing straight into the Olympic squad at least not London.
Let him stay where he is and see how he develops
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got on the pitch at the end in a 3-1 loss to birmingham

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We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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We need to get this kid in an all whites top asap. Fend off scotish interest.
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According to the Burnley fan forum, he has an amazing touch and seems to naturally open up space.

Is referred to as an attacking midfielder, but doesn't say whether centrally or wide. Would be great if he was a central AM.

Should get called up for the Olympic Squad now... four NZ players in he championship all under 23. Awesome and he's just turned 17... awesome effort.

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TouchMe wrote:

According to the Burnley fan forum, he has an amazing touch and seems to naturally open up space.


Is referred to as an attacking midfielder, but doesn't say whether centrally or wide. Would be great if he was a central AM.


Should get called up for the Olympic Squad now... four NZ players in he championship all under 23. Awesome and he's just turned 17... awesome effort.



Would be a bit poor on NZ Footballs part if he didn't.
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How are Burnley ranked compared to other teams?
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If you asked their fans to rate them out of 10, they would count their fingers and say 12 

(just kidding Turfmoore)
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Heaps of the Burnley fans rate him and lets be fair if they think he is good enough for Championship then he is easily good enough for NZ olympic squad and it will fend off scottish interest. Does the Olympics lock a players nationality?
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Nommag wrote:
Heaps of the Burnley fans rate him and lets be fair if they think he is good enough for Championship then he is easily good enough for NZ olympic squad and it will fend off scottish interest. Does the Olympics lock a players nationality?


nope, the only thing that locks a player's nationality is a full competitive international - not even an international friendly does it apparently

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I think he should go to the Olympics...he probably only would make the bench but it would be a good learning experiance for him. It would also give Ricki a chance to run the ruler over him....he must be a good AW prospect one day.
 
Must say its been an incredibly fertile period for youth player development for NZ. The talent is popping up everywhere. Now the Nix have to play their part and get their reserve and Academy teams up and running.
 
The APFA centre sounds amazing. obviously very professional and well funded....and with good contacts. Hopefully a few more Howiesons are on their way. It just shows that there is lots young talent in NZ. Lots of it is fairly rough talent....you just need to get the good kids in the right training/coaching environment and they will succede.
 
 
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Interesting, Howieson has played more minutes of pro footie this season then the other Cameron.  Glad to see he got on but surely if good enough to make an appearance at 16/17 in the Championship, he should be more then good enough for Wellington.
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zinidane wrote:
I think he should go to the Olympics...he probably only would make the bench but it would be a good learning experiance for him. It would also give Ricki a chance to run the ruler over him....he must be a good AW prospect one day.
 
Must say its been an incredibly fertile period for youth player development for NZ. The talent is popping up everywhere. Now the Nix have to play their part and get their reserve and Academy teams up and running.
 
The APFA centre sounds amazing. obviously very professional and well funded....and with good contacts. Hopefully a few more Howiesons are on their way. It just shows that there is lots young talent in NZ. Lots of it is fairly rough talent....you just need to get the good kids in the right training/coaching environment and they will succede.
 
 


I cant' see why he would only be on the bench, he has signed an adult pro contract and played in the Championiship so that puts him ahead of a fair few of our U23 players already.
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Cameron Howieson was an unused sub for Burnley as they drew 1-1 with Coventry at Turf Moor. The Clarets are an outside chance to make the playoffs sitting in 11th spot eight points off sixth place and needing results to go their way with just three games remaining.
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He got a few minutes yesterday against Woods team.

Hopefully next year he can work his way into the starting side... is he younger than Wood was when he got his debut?

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Four kiwis getting minutes in the championship in the week and all young guys. Looking bright for the future



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