Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Jake Gleeson (GK Coach | Saint Mary's College)

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over 9 years ago

I also don't think that the volume of work is necessarily a good yardstick for a keeper's ability - I'd say that clubs in serious leagues are looking for guys who show consistency, and ability to maintain concentration when they're not especially busy to make a big save that can make the difference between winning and losing - guys like Buffon, Schmeichel, etc have built their careers around that, rather than volume of work.

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over 9 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I also don't think that the volume of work is necessarily a good yardstick for a keeper's ability - I'd say that clubs in serious leagues are looking for guys who show consistency, and ability to maintain concentration when they're not especially busy to make a big save that can make the difference between winning and losing - guys like Buffon, Schmeichel, etc have built their careers around that, rather than volume of work.

Also keepers who can control their defenders (direct them where to go and what to do) and who can claim crosses and corners into the box comfortably. I was talking to a mate the other day and he said that Hart was a great keeper but just inconsistent - I replied that you can't be both. Great keepers are consistent. One stupid unforced error cancels out 20 spectacular saves.I'd rather have  solid consistent keeper who could dominate his area  but isn't the most agile than a brilliant but inconsistent shot stopper who flaps at crosses

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over 9 years ago

Watch it... we'll get into the great Moss/Paston debate of 2008, 2009 and 2010.

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over 9 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I also don't think that the volume of work is necessarily a good yardstick for a keeper's ability - I'd say that clubs in serious leagues are looking for guys who show consistency, and ability to maintain concentration when they're not especially busy to make a big save that can make the difference between winning and losing - guys like Buffon, Schmeichel, etc have built their careers around that, rather than volume of work.

Also keepers who can control their defenders (direct them where to go and what to do) and who can claim crosses and corners into the box comfortably. I was talking to a mate the other day and he said that Hart was a great keeper but just inconsistent - I replied that you can't be both. Great keepers are consistent. One stupid unforced error cancels out 20 spectacular saves.I'd rather have  solid consistent keeper who could dominate his area  but isn't the most agile than a brilliant but inconsistent shot stopper who flaps at crosses

Unless those 20 spectacular saves would have been 20 spectacular goals if any other 'keeper was between the sticks...

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over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I also don't think that the volume of work is necessarily a good yardstick for a keeper's ability - I'd say that clubs in serious leagues are looking for guys who show consistency, and ability to maintain concentration when they're not especially busy to make a big save that can make the difference between winning and losing - guys like Buffon, Schmeichel, etc have built their careers around that, rather than volume of work.

Also keepers who can control their defenders (direct them where to go and what to do) and who can claim crosses and corners into the box comfortably. I was talking to a mate the other day and he said that Hart was a great keeper but just inconsistent - I replied that you can't be both. Great keepers are consistent. One stupid unforced error cancels out 20 spectacular saves.I'd rather have  solid consistent keeper who could dominate his area  but isn't the most agile than a brilliant but inconsistent shot stopper who flaps at crosses

Unless those 20 spectacular saves would have been 20 spectacular goals if any other 'keeper was between the sticks...

but the other keeper would have made sure the shots were never taken ;)

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over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I also don't think that the volume of work is necessarily a good yardstick for a keeper's ability - I'd say that clubs in serious leagues are looking for guys who show consistency, and ability to maintain concentration when they're not especially busy to make a big save that can make the difference between winning and losing - guys like Buffon, Schmeichel, etc have built their careers around that, rather than volume of work.

Also keepers who can control their defenders (direct them where to go and what to do) and who can claim crosses and corners into the box comfortably. I was talking to a mate the other day and he said that Hart was a great keeper but just inconsistent - I replied that you can't be both. Great keepers are consistent. One stupid unforced error cancels out 20 spectacular saves.I'd rather have  solid consistent keeper who could dominate his area  but isn't the most agile than a brilliant but inconsistent shot stopper who flaps at crosses

Unless those 20 spectacular saves would have been 20 spectacular goals if any other 'keeper was between the sticks...

I'm guessing Conan is a defender. 

Apart from shutting down players in the midfield you can't really do much about wonder strikes. Losing a game because a keeper comes out to claim a cross and misses in the 94th minute though...



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over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

martinb wrote:

I'm guessing Conan is a defender. 

lol 

is it that obvious?

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over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

martinb wrote:

I'm guessing Conan is a defender. 

lol 

is it that obvious?

did seem like a defender's take on a keeper's virtues. and a recognisable one. But enough thread hi-jacking of what we think may be the keeper at the highest level of any NZ keeper ever? And a chance he has waited extremely patiently for.



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over 9 years ago

Big blow for the Timbers with Nat Borchers out for the season with an Achilles injury - leads the backline tough CB. Make Jake's life harder

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over 9 years ago

Timbers sign former Toronto keeper Chris Konopka

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over 9 years ago
What's his recent record like? Is he more often a starter?

Fuck this stupid game

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over 9 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:
What's his recent record like? Is he more often a starter?

From his wiki page, looks like he has a career as a professional backup keeper.

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over 9 years ago

Lost 1-0 to SKC this morning but added another highlight

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over 9 years ago

3-0 win for Portland over SKC. Quiet game for Gleeson it appears given the highlights

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/08/07/portland-timbers-3-sporting-kansas-city-0-2016-mls-match-recap

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over 9 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I also don't think that the volume of work is necessarily a good yardstick for a keeper's ability - I'd say that clubs in serious leagues are looking for guys who show consistency, and ability to maintain concentration when they're not especially busy to make a big save that can make the difference between winning and losing - guys like Buffon, Schmeichel, etc have built their careers around that, rather than volume of work.

If your referencing Schmeichel Jr, Leeds "brilliant" defence while he played for us ensured that he garnered plenty of experience in shot stopping and removing the ball from the net.

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over 9 years ago

Not even saves like this could stop them losing 2-0 today

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over 9 years ago

Another busy game for Gleeson as Portland lose their away derby game v Seattle 1-3

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-08-21-seattle-sounders-fc-vs-portland-timbers/recap

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over 9 years ago

The return derby game at Portland sees Timbers beat Seattle 4-2. Gleeson not at fault for either of the 2 goals conceded

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-...

Couple of things of note. Last weeks' away game at Seattle was played in front of 53,000.  So Gleeson getting some great experience playing in front of some big crowds.

Also I'm no expert on flags - but I reckon nearly half of the Seattle team team are players from South/Central America.

http://au.soccerway.com/matches/2016/08/28/united-states/mls/portland-timbers-mls/seattle-sounders-fc/2192678/

Small thing maybe, but must be handy experiences to bank away for Gleeson re down the track, playing against a lot of Suid American opposition in the MLS.


Hopefully he's picking up the the odd little bid of Espanol being in the US. Gleeson can then share the translating burden with Rojas - when AWs land in Montevideo or wherever and get swamped by the local TV crews, late next year. I still remember some amusing scenes when Ricki and his boys were being chased by the media throng at Mexico City airport a few years ago!

Anyway as well has Marinovic has done for the AWs, Gleeson has got to start at least one of the friendlies against Mexico and USA. Pity it's the only position where Hudson has this quality selection dilemma

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over 9 years ago

Clean sheet for Gleeson.   Portland 1    Real Salt Lake 0

Big Jake doesn't feature much in the highlights.  I note from commentary at least two USA team players in the match, so I'm sure Hudson will be looking to glean some info from Gleeson next month

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-...

He had a much busier game, week before

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-09-03-fc-dallas-vs-portland-timbers/recap

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over 9 years ago

coochiee wrote:

Clean sheet for Gleeson.   Portland 1    Real Salt Lake 0

Big Jake doesn't feature much in the highlights.  I note from commentary at least two USA team players in the match, so I'm sure Hudson will be looking to glean some info from Gleeson next month

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-...

He had a much busier game, week before

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-...

of course not! instead he's checking out the Western Springs GK

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over 9 years ago

Portland Timbers lose their CONCACAF Champions League group stage game 2-4 away to Saprissa in San Jose, Costa Rica.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/09/14/deportivo...

Whilst these sort of games wouldn't have tension of a World Cup playoff game in South America - still valuable experiences for big Jake if he finds himself between the sticks for AWs in Monteveido, Ascunsion, Caracas (spp!) etc come October next year

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over 9 years ago

http://www.timbers.com/post/2016/09/17/portland-timbers-2-philadelphia-union-1-match-highlights?autoplay=true

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over 9 years ago

A great read.  

Some similar comparisons to Kris Bright interview from the other day - about sometimes need a fair amount of luck in picking up a pro contract, knowing the right people helps (in this case kiwi connection with Gavin Wilkinson), dogged perserverance/patience etc etc.

Also shows that by NZF being in Oceania and age group sides getting regular World Cup qualification, young kids like Gleeson (as he was at the time in a 2007 U17 game vs Brazil) - stand a much greater chance of being randomly spotted by some recruiter/talent scout. 

I'd still like to see AWs in some sort of Asian World Cup qualifying path, but with NZ a football outpost at the bottom of world - regular tournament exposure for the age group teams is gold.

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over 9 years ago

Agreed, this does show that them being on the world stage has some advantages. Sure we want them to also play better oposition but you can't take away from the experience of being at those world cups 

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 9 years ago

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-09-24-houston-dynamo-vs-portland-timbers/recap

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over 9 years ago

Will be amazed if he's not in the All Whites squad this week.

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over 9 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:

Will be amazed if he's not in the All Whites squad this week.

 

I think he will because both the games are in America which is very close to were his club games will be, I expect him to play one of the matches and the other to Marinovic.

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over 9 years ago

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/10/01/highlights-colorado-rapids-1-0-portland-timbers?autoplay=true

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over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

Great Article on Jake:

One breakthrough leads to another for recalled All Whites keeper Jake Gleeson
  • Gleeson shifted across the Pacific in early 2010, before the Timbers had even joined MLS, benefiting from the Kiwi connections of the club's general manager, former All White Gavin Wilkinson, but played just a handful of games for the first team between his arrival and the end of last year.

    The Kiwi began the 2016 season as the understudy to Ghanaian keeper Adam Kwarasey, but was swiftly promoted when Kwarasey jammed a finger into the turf early in the Timbers' campaign and was ruled out for several weeks. He immediately impressed, earning MLS player of the week honours after a game against Toronto FC in early May where he made four crucial saves, but the big vote of confidence came on July 18, when Kwarasey was transferred out of the club, leaving Gleeson as their sole senior gloveman going forward.

    Source

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over 9 years ago

coochiee wrote:

Gleeson well over his injury it seems

For Portland CONCACAF Champions League came to an end with a 1-1 draw against Deportivo Saprissa (Costa Rica) in the final group-stage match

http://www.timbers.com/post/2016/10/19/portland-ti...

Damn, that's a shame. If they'd won that match they'd have been through to the quarterfinals. 

Last match of the regular season on Sunday away to Vancouver Whitecaps. Not an easy match, however the Whitecaps can no longer make the playoffs so perhaps they won't field a full strength side and/or not play with any interest. After a win against Colorado Rapids, one of the best teams this season, this should be doable. The Timbers currently sit on 44 points with a goal difference of -2. The top 6 make the playoffs and Portland are currently 7th.

Sporting Kansas City are currently 6th on 44 points with a goal difference of -1. They play at home vs San Jose who have already been eliminated. If Sporting KC and Portland are tied on points, Portland will go through on goals scored.

The Seattle Sounders are 5th and will play Real Salt Lake who are 4th. This is a must win match for Seattle and an at least must draw match for Real Salt Lake. Because these two teams are playing each other all Portland need to do is win this weekend and they're through. The other ways Gleeson's team can make it is if they draw and Sporting KC lose or if they both lose and Sporting KC lose by one more goal than Portland do.

So a lot of factors going in to this last match so hopefully Gleeson can play an awesome match this weekend.

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over 9 years ago

Really disappointing stuff as Portland are currently down 3–0 to Vancouver, who don't even have anything to play for. A lot of the Timbers players aren't even showing up. Gleeson has put in a couple of good saves though but unfortunately this will mean no playoffs despite Gleeson's great season.

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over 9 years ago

The first court date is during the international break. Marinovic couldn't be anymore stoked with this news.

Out of the CONCACAF Champions League, conceded four goals vs the Whitecaps, DUI, fudgeing hell what an awful week for Gleeson.

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over 9 years ago

Such a dumb thing to do.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 9 years ago

Big fan of his, but to be so drunk that he causes an accident is disgraceful.  I hope he gets a long ban, and if he has a drinking problem (I have no idea if that is the case) then he gets some help.  Can't stand drink drivers, especially when they endanger others.

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